The Transfers Thread

[pantskyle]

Hang on darling, who's being precious here?

No, I don't "attack" Utd fans, I just question the double standards that one or two have shown here considering they too sign kids.

Proof? What do you mean? You've got 5 Belgians I know of - 4 are minors and 1 was a minor when you signed him.

As far as I'm aware, Barcelona didn't break a rule that said it's ok to sign a 16 year old but not 14 year old. The rule said he had to be 18. That's ludicrous. I could have sympathy for the rule if it would really protect helpless African kids or something, but I doubt that's the reality.

And yeah, like HolyRioli mentioned, I too don't see any difference with Barcelona signing Messi in the past.

There's obviously circumstances that are different because if there isn't then those that make the rules need to be more thorough.

because it's a stupid rule. and with most stupid rules it's not looked at as a case by case example. there is a kid here, who is a fantastic talent, most likely enjoying his life and having fun with all his friends and dreaming of one day playing for barcelona. now, because of one dickhead, there's a chance he's going to be yanked out of his position and probably shoved back in south korea. now how is that fair to the kid? that's why i'm mad. the child's side never gets a fair go, and it's ridiculous that this is even happening. let a kid be a kid, no matter what country it is, unless it's shit like those african agents pull.

clubs sign underage talent all the time from outside europe. messi was only 13 when he signed for barca and played for the youth teams. by these laws he should've been forced to stay in argentina and suffer for another 5 years. but that would've been perfectly fair.

I agree it's not fair but there must be more to it then simply picking on Barca.

 

[Latro]

Did the rule exist back when Messi signed? I thought it has only been around for 5 or so years.

 

[pantskyle]

Did the rule exist back when Messi signed? I thought it has only been around for 5 or so years.

That could be the true.

 

[scottwade]

there's a chance he's going to be yanked out of his position and probably shoved back in south korea. now how is that fair to the kid?

He was yanked away from his home in South Korea, moved, apparently on his own, to a completely different culture and language, simply because a football club thought he might turn out to be a good player.
There would be some who would argue that's not fair to the kid's long term future either, particularly, if like many he doesn't make the grade.

Good luck for example to the kid if he goes back to South Korea at say 18 trying to get into an University with the lack of exposure to the South Korean education system.

Barca (or any other club) is not some benevolent organisation taking this kid away from an impoverished background and providing him with an education he could not hope to get in his country.
All Barca are offering is a chance to be a professional footballer. If he doesn't measure up they (and every other club) will cut him without a moment's hesitation.

Did the rule exist back when Messi signed? I thought it has only been around for 5 or so years.

FIFA have progressively tightened the rules (2001, 2005, 2009).
FWIW here is an overview/discussion (albeit a little out of date) of the regs;
http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/journals/eilr/25/25.1/Lembo.pdf

 

[Magma]

he hasnt been yanked out. he has to agree to a move. on the flipside, he doesn't have to agree to be pulled out of la masia. if he doesn't fit in or doesn't like it there he can leave.

he would be getting a great education at la masia. it's well renowned for teaching these kids actual things, not just being a footballers paradise for learning the game.

of course their plan first and foremost is to mould this kid into a professional footballer. but i'd back him to grow up much better at the la masia than many other places on the planet. if he does get cut then that's due to him not having enough talent, or being having a poor attitude, okay. but this is him effectively being cut for no other reason than his nationality and his age.

 

[Kompany]

He was yanked away from his home in South Korea, moved, apparently on his own, to a completely different culture and language, simply because a football club thought he might turn out to be a good player.
There would be some who would argue that's not fair to the kid's long term future either, particularly, if like many he doesn't make the grade.

Yanked away? Come on

That's just part of being a South Korean who wants to make it. He wants it and his parents want it, otherwise he simply wouldn't have gone.

And yes, he may miss out on a uni degree, but that also goes for most kids who stay in their home country when they try to become a pro. Also that is just part of trying to become a professional. Nothing special to see here.

 

[moomba]

Rules are there to protect everyone, and there are a lot of stories of young kids being taken away from home and exploited.

And while I can't think of a whole lot better than being taken away to live in Barcelona to play football the rules really need to be applied to everyone.

There's ways around it though and I wouldn't be surprised if one of his parents "won" a job in Barcelona and the whole family "had" to move for non football reasons.

 

[Kompany]

moomba, should Mathias Bossaerts then be sent back to Belgium then?

 

[moomba]

moomba, should Mathias Bossaerts then be sent back to Belgium then?

If his signing is against the rules he should.

 

[Kompany]

How can you defend rules if you don't even know yourself what they are? Serious question. My problem is that in case of this South Korean kid the rules that have to be followed are not helping anyone.

It's also beyond me that these rules state that we can only sign him when he turns 18 while it's completely normal that half of the Belgian talents get signed by English, French or Dutch clubs when they're 15, 16 or even younger.

 

[moomba]

How can you defend rules if you don't even know yourself what they are? Serious question. My problem is that in case of this South Korean kid the rules that have to be followed are not helping anyone.

It's also beyond me that these rules state that we can only sign him when he turns 18 while it's completely normal that half of the Belgian talents get signed by English, French or Dutch clubs when they're 15, 16 or even younger.

I know perfectly well what the rules are.

 

[Kompany]

But you don't know if Bossaerts was signed against the rules or not?

And you happily support rules that forbid one club to sign a player who's not 18 yet while other clubs can sign 15 year olds for fun?

 

[Magma]

i believe european players can move at any age, but those from south america/asia have to be 18. flawed system.

i assume it's more intricate for those outside the european union and such but those are the rules on fm so there we go

 

[Redalert]

Moving from Belgium to Holland as a kid is nowhere near the same as moving from Korea to Spain, its ridiculous to culturally compare moving within Europe to moving from another continent.

 

[moomba]

But you don't know if Bossaerts was signed against the rules or not?

And you happily support rules that forbid one club to sign a player who's not 18 yet while other clubs can sign 15 year olds for fun?

I know Bossaerts was signed legally. As was Rekik, Lopes, Suarez, Marin etc.

I haven't said whether I support the rules or not, but you can't complain when you break the existing rules and get pulled up over it.

 

[Kompany]

I can complain about the rules if they turn out to be bs for sure.

I used to be against kids being signed because clubs and leagues end up losing their best players to the happy few, but I've come to accept that now. I have no problem with you signing those kids. It's just ludicrous that you can sign a 15 year old European while a Korean kid has to wait until he's 18 (without bending the rules).

I also don't buy into that different continent thing, Redalert. Of course the difference in culture is bigger but the Korean kid still wanted to come, his parents wanted him to come and being at Barcelona would've likely done him a whole lot of good. A Belgian kid moving to Holland is giving up on higher education as much as the Korean kid is by going to Spain by the way.

These rules may be meant well, in order to protect African kids being exploited for example, but I don't believe these now scare agents from still shipping them in. Who's going to check with the Cameroonian government if the documents of a player in the Dutch 3rd division are authentic?

 

[hawkman]

Wasn't Messi only allowed to come over because one of his parents had a European passport? I thought i had read that somewhere, could be completely wrong though

 

[ADL9798]

Wasn't Messi only allowed to come over because one of his parents had a European passport? I thought i had read that somewhere, could be completely wrong though

Italian grandparent(s) from memory.

We've had problems with 2 of our players in the last few years. 1 from America and 1 from Bosnia-Herzegovina, both picked up when they were 16-17 but unable to get a work permit for the EU which I don't think is a UEFA or a FIFA thing, that's European Law that UEFA and FIFA are adhering to. I'd imagine the Korean players at Barca are being pulled up on the same issue. As long as a young player holds an EU passport they can move wherever they like within the EU.

The only country that seems to regularly get past these regulations is Portugal. The reciprocal agreement they have with Brazil means Brazilians can with relative ease secure temporary/permanent residency in Portugal or even Portuguese citizenship for themselves and their family and vice-versa (hence why the likes of Porto and Benfica seem to have priority access to a constant stream of the best young Brazilians that it seems none of the other clubs in Europe have access to!).

 

[Magma]

Chelsea are considering a surprise move for Manchester United's 22-year-old Spanish goalkeeper David De Gea.
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/02/18/primera/1361208679_074868.html

journalism is surely becoming the easiest job on the planet, no?

 

[chef]

Chelsea are considering a surprise move for Manchester United's 22-year-old Spanish goalkeeper David De Gea.
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/02/18/primera/1361208679_074868.html

journalism is surely becoming the easiest job on the planet, no?

That's close to the dumbest thing I've read.

Liked this.
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/c...ew-radamel-falcao-no-swap-petr-cech-two-years

 

[ADL9798]

The annual Arda Turan to Liverpool rumours have started up again. Quotes from his agent:

“Arda has played at Atletico Madrid for two seasons now. I have wanted to see him play for another team in another league and Arda wants the same,” says Bulut.
“I can’t say the league or you’ll know exactly who I’m talking about but let’s just put it like this, there are only five to six clubs which could afford Arda right now and he’s going to join one of these five clubs.”


To refresh your memory, in 2009 he said this:

"I want to play in major leagues and my dream team is Liverpool." He added, "As I always mention, Liverpool attracts me because of their tradition. In Europe, I am a Liverpool supporter, so if I go to play in Europe, I would like to play for them."

And has been linked with a move to Anfield every season since. Very technically gifted player who would fit in with Rodgers' request for more experience.

 

[Redalert]

Unfortunately though he sounds like an absolute w***er. Would suit Liverpool.

 

[ADL9798]

Unfortunately though he sounds like an absolute Moo. Would suit Liverpool.

Based on what? Because he said he wants to play for Liverpool? You're a moo.

 

[Redalert]

Based on what? Because he said he wants to play for Liverpool? You're a moo.

No, because his agent says things like this - "there are only five to six clubs which could afford Arda right now and he’s going to join one of these five clubs.”

Thats ridiculously arrogant, he's really not that good of a player to be making statements like that.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

The annual Arda Turan to Liverpool rumours have started up again. Quotes from his agent:

“Arda has played at Atletico Madrid for two seasons now. I have wanted to see him play for another team in another league and Arda wants the same,” says Bulut.
“I can’t say the league or you’ll know exactly who I’m talking about but let’s just put it like this, there are only five to six clubs which could afford Arda right now and he’s going to join one of these five clubs.”


To refresh your memory, in 2009 he said this:

"I want to play in major leagues and my dream team is Liverpool." He added, "As I always mention, Liverpool attracts me because of their tradition. In Europe, I am a Liverpool supporter, so if I go to play in Europe, I would like to play for them."

And has been linked with a move to Anfield every season since. Very technically gifted player who would fit in with Rodgers' request for more experience.

Liverpool might not even be in Europe next season