The truth about Sharon's “redeployment plan”

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It might interest you to know that the majority of Israelis support ending the occupation of that territory in accordance with United Nations Resolution 242 which requires territory to be given up in return for peace and secure borders.

You should also know that there are many Arabs who are sick and tired of the conflict and would like to see a peaceful resolution. It’s a pity you guys (Bomber 2003 and Lestat) don’t agree. Here’s an excerpt from a speech by Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian delivered at the Duke University, North Carolina.

Counter Terrorism Speak out
October 14, 2004

I'm proud and honored to stand here today as a Lebanese speaking for Israel the only democracy in the Middle East. As someone who was raised in an Arabic country I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world.

I was raised in Lebanon where I was taught that the Jews were evil, Israel was the devil, and the only time we will have peace in the Middle East is when we kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea.

When the Moslems and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in1975, they started massacring the Christians city after city. I ended up living in a bomb shelter underground from age 10 to 17 without electricity, eating grass to live and crawling under sniper bullets to a spring to get water.

It was Israel who came to help the Christians in Lebanon. My mother was wounded by a Moslem shell and was taken into an Israeli hospital for treatment. When we entered the emergency room, I was shocked at what I saw. There were hundreds of people wounded, Moslems, Palestinians, Christian Lebanese and Israeli soldiers lying on the floor. The doctors treated everyone according to their injuries. They treated my mother before they treated the Israeli soldier lying next to her. They didn't see religion, they didn't see political affiliation, they saw people in need, and they helped.

For the first time in my life, I experienced a human quality that I know my culture would not have shown to their enemy. I experienced the values of the Israelis who were able to love their enemy in their most trying moments.
I spent 22 days at that hospital; those days changed my life and the way I believe information, the way I listen to the radio or to television. I realized I was sold a fabricated lie by my government about the Jews and Israel that
was so far from reality. I knew for fact that if I was a Jew standing in an Arab hospital, I would be lynched and thrown over to the grounds as shouts of joy of Allahu Akbar (God is great) would echo through the hospital and the surrounding streets.

I became friends with the families of the Israeli wounded soldiers; one in particular Rina, her only child was wounded in his eyes.

One day I was visiting with her, and the Israeli army band came to play national songs to lift the spirits of the wounded soldiers. As they surrounded his bed playing a song about Jerusalem, Rina and I started crying. I felt out of place and started waking out of the room, and this mother holds my hand and pulls me back in without even looking at me. She holds me crying and says: "it is not your fault". We just stood there crying and holding each other's hands.

What a contrast between her, a mother looking at her deformed 19-year- old only child, and still able to love me, the enemy, and between a Moslem mother who sends her son to blow himself up to smithereens just to kill a few Jews or Christians.

The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It's barbarism versus civilization. It's democracy versus dictatorship. It's goodness versus evil.

Once upon a time, there was a special place in the lowest depths of hell for anyone who would intentionally murder a child. Now, the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian "armed struggle." However,
once such behavior is legitimized against Israel, it is legitimized everywhere in the world, constrained by nothing more than the subjective belief of people who would wrap themselves in dynamite and nails for the purpose of killing
children in the name of God.

Because the Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause, the whole world now suffers from a plague of terrorism, from Nairobi to New York,
from Moscow to Madrid, from Bali to Beslan.

They blame suicide bombing on "desperation of occupation." Let me tell you the truth. The first major terror bombing committed by Arabs against the Jewish state occurred ten weeks before Israel even became independent. On
Sunday morning, February 22, 1948, in anticipation of Israel 's independence, a triple truck bomb was detonated by Arab terrorists on Ben Yehuda Street in what was then the Jewish section of Jerusalem. Fifty-four people were killed,
and hundreds were wounded. Thus, it is obvious that Arab terrorism is caused not by the "desperation" or "occupation," but by the VERY THOUGHT of a Jewish state.

So many times in history in the last 100 years, citizens have stood by and done nothing, allowing evil to prevail. As America stood up against and defeated communism, now it is time to stand up against the terror of religious bigotry and intolerance. It's time to all stand up and support and defend the state of Israel, which is the front line of the war against terrorism.
 

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Bananabender said:
It might interest you to know that the majority of Israelis support ending the occupation of that territory in accordance with United Nations Resolution 242 which requires territory to be given up in return for peace and secure borders.

You should also know that there are many Arabs who are sick and tired of the conflict and would like to see a peaceful resolution. It’s a pity you guys (Bomber 2003 and Lestat) don’t agree. Here’s an excerpt from a speech by Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian delivered at the Duke University, North Carolina.

Counter Terrorism Speak out
October 14, 2004

I'm proud and honored to stand here today as a Lebanese speaking for Israel the only democracy in the Middle East. As someone who was raised in an Arabic country I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world.
Oh my god....you post an article from a Lebenese Christian...as an arab who wants peace.

The same Lebenese christians that slaughtered innocent refugees in Sabra and Shatilla whilst under the protection and command of the IDF and Sharon.

Give it up mate...its clear that you are full of sh(t.

And if as you say so many Israeli's are in full support of the peace according to resolution 242...then why did the so called 'generous offer' (rubbish) from Barak fall so short. YOu can see here what a pathetic farce that so called 'generous offer' really was.

http://www.gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html

You don't want peace....you want the Palestinians to roll over and play dead. You want palestinian surrender....not peace. And that is why that you label any Palestinian who fights back as a 'terrorist'...where its rather clear that the real terrorists are the IDF soldiers that use helicoptor gunships against stone throwing youths. Bunch of cowards!

Oh...and u do realise that resolution 242 means that Jerusalem is no longer in Israeli hands...don't you.

Yes many Israeli are sick of the occupation. Why...because they are ashamed of what there country is doing to a whole people. They are ashamed of what zionism has done to there religon.....one of those of course is Uri Avenery....still waiting to hear you discredit his argument.....and not him.

People like Avenery and Chomsky (jews) say it exactly how it is....they have no reason, no bias against judism to have any reason to lie about the situation in Palestine. And it must kill you that you can't label them as 'anti-semetic'....so you do the next best thing.....they are self-hating jews...righteo.

And the best you can do is an article by a Christian lebenese woman...who most probably hates Palestinians more then you do.

C'mon mate...is that the best you can do.

Its a pity that people like you use lies, and deciet, to first of all steal a whole country from the people who lived there...then portray yourselves as the victims, then accuse anyone of self defence of being terrorists.

Tell me Banana...how many Palestinians have been killed in the last two years since intifada....how many of them have been children. How do you justify that.

How do you justify the 10 y.o girl shot 20 times a couple of weeks ago. Or the 13 y.o shot in the head last week.

You are murderers of children, thiefs of the largest scale. And when you get a little back of what you give...you cry and squeal like the hypocritical pigs that you are.

Who do you think the palestinians learnt terrorist tactics from? Ever heard of the Irgun and Stern gangs. You made terrorism and art form.....Rabin ring a bell.
 

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Seems Lestat has gone quiet again. BananaBender DEFEATS Lestat.

How many people have you been beaten by Lestat? GuruJane, Bananabender, myself. Why do you bother coming here when you know you'll be left with no answer and resort to insults? It must get tiring being silenced like this so often Lestat.
You have got to be joking.
Ive seen him rip you about 67 new assholes. Im backing he is just bored with you. He provides evidence and at least backs up his posts. You on the other hand provide nothing but your shallow opinion. It is the act of a desperate man to claim victory from the work of others.

theGimp sticks a tennis ball in your mouth an slaps you with a big one.
 

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You have got to be joking.
Ive seen him rip you about 67 new assholes. Im backing he is just bored with you. He provides evidence and at least backs up his posts. You on the other hand provide nothing but your shallow opinion. It is the act of a desperate man to claim victory from the work of others.

theGimp sticks a tennis ball in your mouth an slaps you with a big one.
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The only game you guys can play is shoot the messenger. You disbelieve what a Lebanese Christian woman says because she's a Lebanese. That's racism in my book.

You call Avinery and Chomsky "Jews". Good one. They were born Jews but aren't Jews now, don't speak for Jews and don't support a peaceful solution to the conflict.

But let's talk about the Palestinian children who have died in this conflict. How many of them were being used by terrorist thugs as human shields (in contravention of the Geneva Convention), how many have died because of workplace accidents that happen because bombmakers set up their factories in apartment buildings? How many of them are babes in jihadland? Reuters and AP are full of photographs of armed Palestinians operating next to children. The ones who die are put in harm's way by these malicious thugs.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=printArticle&articleID=5316

http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html

How much of the Palestinian case about child deaths is based on lies? Last week Palestinian sources reported that two children, aged 8 and 10, were killed by a tank shell fired at their house in the Al-Qarara area, east of the Khan Yunis refugee camp in the Gaza Strip.

It was discovered later that the IDF was not operating in the Khan Yunis refugee camp area at the time. The children were in fact killed when explosive devices planted in the area by Palestinian militants went off.

Of course, you would always swallow the Al Jazeera version because you're so quick to blame the Jews.
 

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Bananabender said:
The only game you guys can play is shoot the messenger. You disbelieve what a Lebanese Christian woman says because she's a Lebanese. That's racism in my book.
So typical of a zionist hypocrite. What was that you were saying about Avenery earlier. This is EXACTLY what you did. You shot the messenger, without once even bothering to discredit the arguments. I just took a leaf out of your book....really mate, you need to take a look at the mirror.

Your to easy...your boring me!

And given the fact that you have chosen a Christian lebenese woman (who would hate Palestinians more then you probably do) as an 'arab' source really makes a mockery, of both your arguments, and your intelligence (which appears to be rather lacking).

Bananabender said:
You call Avinery and Chomsky "Jews". Good one. They were born Jews but aren't Jews now,
And why exactly aren't they Jews. Why...what makes them less jewish then you.

remember my friend.....the 4th commandment...Thou shall not kIll...and the 5th...Thou shall not steal.

Me thinks they are much more jewish then you are.

Bananabender said:
don't speak for Jews and don't support a peaceful solution to the conflict.
What absolute garbage. It is this sort of double speak that you zionists are so famous for.

Uri Avenery is a member of Gush-Shalom...the peace now activist group. I would of thought that he fully supports a peaceful solution to the conflict....the difference being that he supports a fair peace...whereas zionist pigs such as yourself support Palestinian murder, Palestinian surrender....and call it 'peace'.

Bananabender said:
But let's talk about the Palestinian children who have died in this conflict. How many of them were being used by terrorist thugs as human shields (in contravention of the Geneva Convention), how many have died because of workplace accidents that happen because bombmakers set up their factories in apartment buildings? How many of them are babes in jihadland? Reuters and AP are full of photographs of armed Palestinians operating next to children. The ones who die are put in harm's way by these malicious thugs.
More zionist lies. Notice how I back my claims up with source's...which happen to be unbiased non-arab sources.

You however, it appears can only post from jewish sources, making up more zionist jewish lies.

So how can you explain the 13 y.o Palestinian girl shot 20 times, her body riddled by bullets. The incident was reported by ISraeli soldiers.

How come there are over 80 Israeli soldiers who refuse to serve in the occupied territories...refuse to be a part of this murder.

Would you like me to provide a source. Just say the word if you like...i just assumed that you'd be fed up with continuously being spanked...but I can oblige if you like.

hahah...are these your 'non-biased' sources.

:) mate...if you had a brain...you've be dangerous.

Bananabender said:
How much of the Palestinian case about child deaths is based on lies? [/QUOTE

How many. I'm sure you about to tell us?

What are you trying to convince us of? What are you trying to say? That Isreali's haven't killed any children? That Palestinians are lieing?

Or are you saying that its Palestinians that are killing there own children?

More zionist lies?

Oh...by the way...speaking of lies, hows that UN truck helping Palestinians carrying rockets going?

Another zionist lie!

Bananabender said:
Last week Palestinian sources reported that two children, aged 8 and 10, were killed by a tank shell fired at their house in the Al-Qarara area, east of the Khan Yunis refugee camp in the Gaza Strip.
Got any evidence. Care to provide a source (which is not jewish)....or are you just making up more lies.

Careful careful....your nose might grow!

Bananabender said:
It was discovered later that the IDF was not operating in the Khan Yunis refugee camp area at the time. The children were in fact killed when explosive devices planted in the area by Palestinian militants went off.
More lies....

Bananabender said:
Of course, you would always swallow the Al Jazeera version because you're so quick to blame the Jews.
I have not once posted Al-Jazeera as a source of any of my claims. I could...but I have deliberately steered clear of Al-Jazeera,or any arab sites.

You however continuously use jewish sources to back up your lies.

And you accuse me of swallowing crap. Look in the mirror mate.
 
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Re: The truth about Sharon's “redeployment plan”

So you won't accept sources which are "Jewish" or which are "Lebanese Christian" but you accept as truth any "Palestinian" source which alleges facts that you support. Still reckon you're not a racist?

If you won't accept "Jewish" sources what about my reference to Reuters and AP - international news organisations that have published countless photographs - mostly taken by Palestinian photgraphers. Just look at the names of the reporters - most don't sound very Jewish to me. And yet they contain a catalogue of photographs of armed Palestinians operating next to children. Compare that to the way your friends operate - they drug up some brainwashed dipso and send him/her onto a bus crowded with civilains including children.

They, like you are a disgrace to humanity.

And while you might cite Gush Shalom and Avinery, do you agree with their particular solution to the conflict?

I doubt it.

People like you will enjoy it if this conflict endures for another 50 or 100 years of pain and suffering on both sides.
 

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Bananabender said:
So you won't accept sources which are "Jewish" or which are "Lebanese Christian" but you accept as truth any "Palestinian" source which alleges facts that you support.
I have not posted any Palestinian or arab sources...unlike you, who all your sources have been Jewish, or that one Lebenese Christian who you very well know are sworn enemies of the Palestinians, and who sided with the Israeli's in the Lebenese civil war...and are most pro-Israeli. So stop it with the crap will ya.

Show me just one Palestinian souce that I have posted. You LIAR!

Put up or shut up!

Bananabender said:
Still reckon you're not a racist?
Mate..your a zionist. Your whole nation of Isreal is based on racism...your system of governance is based on racism. I wouldn't be accusing others of being racist if I was you.

Bananabender said:
If you won't accept "Jewish" sources what about my reference to Reuters and AP - international news organisations that have published countless photographs - mostly taken by Palestinian photgraphers.
Which referece to Reuters are you on about?? You haven't posted any Reuters sources...all you've posted is a collection of out of context statements, all rapt up in propaganda sites run by zionist groups.

Hardly unbiased..are they. I would of thought that even a zionist racist pig such as yourself would be able to recognise propaganda when you see it...I guess I was wrong.

Bananabender said:
Just look at the names of the reporters - most don't sound very Jewish to me. And yet they contain a catalogue of photographs of armed Palestinians operating next to children.
Oh gee....the names of the reporters. Righteo...you've convinced me. :rolleyes:

And how do you explain the footage on the news, everday of tanks firing rockets and Palestinians armed with...wait for it...rocks! Geez.. now thats a fair balanced fight now isn't it. You cowards.

Bananabender said:
Compare that to the way your friends operate - they drug up some brainwashed dipso and send him/her onto a bus crowded with civilains including children.
And which friends are they? And how do you operate?

Yes....unfortunately people like you are happy with having snipers which shoot Palestinian kids whilst sitting in class, or whilst walking home from school.

All these following report is from non-arab media sources, amnesty international....

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE151452002


Bananabender said:
They, like you are a disgrace to humanity.
Coming from a racist d(ckhead like you, I'll take that as a compliment!

Bananabender said:
And while you might cite Gush Shalom and Avinery, do you agree with their particular solution to the conflict?
Yes I do...not exactly, but they are definately going down the right treack.

Bananabender said:
I doubt it.
Once again...you really don't have a clue...do you.

Shouldn't you be off killing some kids, or stealing some land. Thats what you zionists do best...isn't it.

Bananabender said:
People like you will enjoy it if this conflict endures for another 50 or 100 years of pain and suffering on both sides.
And people like you will only be happy when all palestinians have been killed, and you can steal all the land between the nile and the Euphrates, and your dream of Greater Eretz...where aparthied is the rule of law, will be the norm.
 

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Quite a cheerful character that Sharon...hey BananaBender.

No wonder that zionist murderers would see him as a hero, and elect such a man as there leader.

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Wild Justice: The Crimes of Ariel Sharon

by Alexander Cockburn

Source: New York Press, vol 14 no 5, 2001

The way things are now going, Ariel Sharon will be elected prime minister of Israel on Feb. 6. Some incorrigible optimists are suggesting that only a right-wing extremist of Sharon's notoriety will have the credentials to broker lasting peace with the Palestinians.

Maybe so. History is not devoid of such examples. But Sharon's record is not encouraging. His recent role in provoking the latest Palestinian uprising by his excursion under heavy military protection to holy sites in Jerusalem is well known. A little more faintly perhaps people recall the verdict of an Israeli commission of inquiry finding that Sharon bore some responsibility for the dreadful Phalangist massacres in Palestinian refugee camps outside Beirut.

But in fact Sharon's history as a terrorist, with documented participation in what can be fairly stigmatized as war crimes, goes back to the early 1950s. Here is a brief resume, culled in part from a recent two-part series on Sharon in the well-respected Hebrew-language Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz.

Sharon was born in 1928 and as a young man joined the Haganah, the underground military organization of Israel in its pre-state days. In 1953 he was given command of Unit 101, whose mission is often described as that of retaliation against Arab attacks on Jewish villages. In fact, as can be seen from two terrible onslaughts, one of them very well known, Unit 101's purpose was that of instilling terror by the infliction of discriminate, murderous violence not only on able-bodied fighters but on the young, the old, the helpless.

Sharon's first documented sortie as a terrorist was in August of 1953 on the refugee camp of El-Bureig, south of Gaza. An Israeli history of the unit records 50 refugees as having been killed; other sources allege 15 or 20. Major-General Vagn Bennike, the UN commander, reported that "bombs were thrown" by Sharon's men "through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons."

In October of 1953 came the attack by Sharon's Unit 101 on the Jordanian village of Qibya, whose "stain" Israel's foreign minister at the time, Moshe Sharett, confided to his diary, "would stick to us and not be washed away for many years." Israeli historian Avi Shlaim, cited in a petition demanding retribution against Sharon for war crimes, describes the massacre thus:

"Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses.

"The UN observer who inspected the scene reached a different conclusion: 'One story was repeated time after time: the bullet splintered door, the body sprawled across the threshold, indicating that the inhabitants had been forced by heavy fire to stay inside until their homes were blown up over them.' The slaughter in Qibya was described contemporaneously in a letter to the president of the United Nations Security Council dated October 16, 1953...from the Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of Jordan to the United States. On 14 October 1953 at 9:30 at night, he wrote, Israeli troops launched a battalion-scale attack on the village of Qibya in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (at the time the West Bank was annexed to Jordan).

"According to the diplomat's account, Israeli forces had entered the village and systematically murdered all occupants of houses, using automatic weapons, grenades and incendiaries. On 14 October, the bodies of 42 Arab civilians had been recovered; several more bodies had been still under the wreckage. Forty houses, the village school and a reservoir had been destroyed. Quantities of unused explosives, bearing Israel army markings in Hebrew, had been found in the village. At about 3 a.m., to cover their withdrawal, Israeli support troops had begun shelling the neighboring villages of Budrus and Shuqba from positions in Israel. The U.S. Department of State issued a statement on 18 October 1953, expressing its 'deepest sympathy for the families of those who lost their lives' in the Qibya attack as well as the conviction that those responsible 'should be brought to account and that effective measures should be taken to prevent such incidents in the future.'"

Let us move now to Sharon's conduct when he was head of the Southern Command of Israel's Defense Forces in the early 1970s. The Gaza "clearances" were vividly described by Phil Reeves in a piece in The London Independent on Jan. 21 of this year:

"Thirty years have elapsed since Ariel Sharon, favourite to win Israel's forthcoming election, was the head of the Israel Defence Forces' southern command, charged with the task of 'pacifying' the recalcitrant Gaza Strip after the 1967 war. But the old men still remember it well. Especially the old men on Wreckage Street. Until late 1970, Wreckage, or Had'd, Street wasn't a street, just one of scores of narrow, nameless alleys weaving through Gaza City's Beach Camp, a shantytown cluttered with low, two-roomed houses, built with UN aid for refugees from the 1948 war who then, as now, were waiting for the international community to settle their future. The street acquired its name after an unusually prolonged visit from Mr Sharon's soldiers. Their orders were to bulldoze hundreds of homes to carve a wide, straight street. This would allow Israeli troops and their heavy armoured vehicles to move easily through the camp, to exert control and hunt down men from the Palestinian Liberation Army.

"'They came at night and began marking the houses they wanted to demolish with red paint,' said Ibrahim Ghanim, 70, a retired labourer. 'In the morning they came back, and ordered everyone to leave. I remember all the soldiers shouting at people, Yalla, yalla, yalla, yalla! They threw everyone's belongings into the street. Then Sharon brought in bulldozers and started flattening the street. He did the whole lot, almost in one day. And the soldiers would beat people, can you imagine? Soldiers with guns, beating little kids?'

"By the time the Israeli army's work was done, hundreds of homes were destroyed, not only in Wreckage Street but through the camp, as Sharon ploughed out a grid of wide security roads. Many of the refugees took shelter in schools, or squeezed into the already badly overcrowded homes of relatives. Other families, usually those with a Palestinian political activist, were loaded into trucks and taken to exile in a town in the heart of the Sinai Desert, then controlled by Israel."

As Reeves reported, the devastation of Beach Camp was far from the exception. "In August 1971 alone, troops under Mr Sharon's command destroyed some 2,000 homes in the Gaza Strip, uprooting 16,000 people for the second time in their lives. Hundreds of young Palestinian men were arrested and deported to Jordan and Lebanon. Six hundred relatives of suspected guerrillas were exiled to Sinai. In the second half of 1971, 104 guerrillas were assassinated. 'The policy at that time was not to arrest suspects, but to assassinate them,' said Raji Sourani, director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights in Gaza City."

As defense minister in Menachem Begin's second government, Sharon was the commander who stunned his colleagues by instigating the fulldress 1982 assault on Lebanon, with the express design of dispatching all Palestinians to Jordan and making Lebanon a client state. From the vantage point of nearly 20 years we can see it was a war plan that cost untold suffering, many thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese lives, and also the deaths of over 1000 Israeli soldiers.

Sharon also engendered the infamous massacres at Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps. The slaughter in the two contiguous camps took place from 6 at night on Sept. 16, 1982 until 8 in the morning on Sept. 18, in an area until the control of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The perpetrators were members of the Phalange militia, the Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied with Israel since the onset of Lebanon's civil war in 1975. The victims during the 62hour rampage included infants, children, women (including pregnant women) and the elderly, some of whom were mutilated or disemboweled before or after they were killed.

To cite only one postmassacre eyewitness account, that of U.S. journalist Thomas Friedman of The New York Times: "Mostly I saw groups of young men in their twenties and thirties who had been lined up against walls, tied by their hands and feet, and then mowed down gangland-style with fusillades of machine-gun fire."

An official Israeli commission of inquiry**chaired by Yitzhak Kahan, president of Israel's Supreme Court**investigated the massacre, and in February 1983 publicly released its findings (without Appendix B, which remains secret). The Kahan Commission found that Ariel Sharon, among other Israelis, had responsibility for the massacre. The commission's report stated: "It is our view that responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defense for having disregarded the danger of acts of vengeance and bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps, and having failed to take this danger into account when he decided to have the Phalangists enter the camps. In addition, responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defense for not ordering appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the danger of massacre as a condition for the Phalangists' entry into the camps. These blunders constitute the nonfulfillment of a duty with which the Defense Minister was charged."

Sharon refused to resign. Finally, on Feb. 14, 1983, he was relieved of his duties as defense minister, though he remained in the cabinet as minister without portfolio.

His career was in eclipse, but he continued to burnish his credentials as a Likud ultra. Sharon has always been against any sort of peace deal, unless on terms entirely impossible for Palestinians to accept. As Nehemia Strasler outlined in Ha'aretz on Jan. 18 of this year, in 1979, as a member of Begin's cabinet, he voted against a peace treaty with Egypt. In 1985 he voted against the withdrawal of Israeli troops to the so-called security zone in Southern Lebanon. In 1991 he opposed Israel's participation in the Madrid peace conference. In 1993 he voted no in the Knesset on the Oslo agreement. The following year he abstained in the Knesset on a vote over a peace treaty with Jordan. He voted against the Hebron agreement in 1997 and objected to the withdrawal from southern Lebanon.

Sharon believes in establishing "facts on the ground." As Begin's minister of agriculture in the late 1970s he established many of the West Bank settlements that are now a major obstruction to any peace deal. His present position? Not another square inch of land for Palestinians on the West Bank. He will agree to a Palestinian state on the existing areas of either total or partial Palestinian control, 42 percent of the West Bank. Israel will retain control of the highways across the West Bank and the water sources. All settlements will stay in place with access by the IDF to them. Jerusalem will remain under Israeli sovereignty and he plans to continue building around the city. The Golan Heights would remain under Israel's control.

It can be argued that Sharon represents the long-term policy of all Israeli governments, without any obscuring fluff or verbal embroidery. Ben-Gurion was complicit in the terror missions of Unit 101. Every Israeli government has condoned or overtly supported settlements and building around Jerusalem. But that doesn't begin to confront Sharon's sinister, violent shadow across the past half century.

That shadow is best evoked by a young Israeli woman, Ilil Komey, 16, who confronted Ariel Sharon last week when he visited her agricultural high school outside Beersheva. The scene was aired on Israeli television. The teenage girl whose father suffered shell shock during the Lebanon war stood and pointed her finger at the 72-year-old Sharon. "I think you sent my father into Lebanon," Ilil said. "Ariel Sharon, I accuse you of having made me suffer for 16 some odd years. I accuse you of having made my father suffer for over 16 years. I accuse you of a lot of things that made a lot of people suffer in this country. I don't think that you can now be elected as prime minister."

Sadly, Ilil is probably wrong. Sharon can be elected. That's the grim truth of the situation.

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You have got to be joking.
Ive seen him rip you about 67 new assholes. Im backing he is just bored with you. He provides evidence and at least backs up his posts. You on the other hand provide nothing but your shallow opinion. It is the act of a desperate man to claim victory from the work of others.

theGimp sticks a tennis ball in your mouth an slaps you with a big one.
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Quite a cheerful character that Sharon...hey BananaBender.

No wonder that zionist murderers would see him as a hero, and elect such a man as there leader.

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Wild Justice: The Crimes of Ariel Sharon

by Alexander Cockburn

Source: New York Press, vol 14 no 5, 2001

The way things are now going, Ariel Sharon will be elected prime minister of Israel on Feb. 6. Some incorrigible optimists are suggesting that only a right-wing extremist of Sharon's notoriety will have the credentials to broker lasting peace with the Palestinians.

Maybe so. History is not devoid of such examples. But Sharon's record is not encouraging. His recent role in provoking the latest Palestinian uprising by his excursion under heavy military protection to holy sites in Jerusalem is well known. A little more faintly perhaps people recall the verdict of an Israeli commission of inquiry finding that Sharon bore some responsibility for the dreadful Phalangist massacres in Palestinian refugee camps outside Beirut.

But in fact Sharon's history as a terrorist, with documented participation in what can be fairly stigmatized as war crimes, goes back to the early 1950s. Here is a brief resume, culled in part from a recent two-part series on Sharon in the well-respected Hebrew-language Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz.

Sharon was born in 1928 and as a young man joined the Haganah, the underground military organization of Israel in its pre-state days. In 1953 he was given command of Unit 101, whose mission is often described as that of retaliation against Arab attacks on Jewish villages. In fact, as can be seen from two terrible onslaughts, one of them very well known, Unit 101's purpose was that of instilling terror by the infliction of discriminate, murderous violence not only on able-bodied fighters but on the young, the old, the helpless.

Sharon's first documented sortie as a terrorist was in August of 1953 on the refugee camp of El-Bureig, south of Gaza. An Israeli history of the unit records 50 refugees as having been killed; other sources allege 15 or 20. Major-General Vagn Bennike, the UN commander, reported that "bombs were thrown" by Sharon's men "through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons."

In October of 1953 came the attack by Sharon's Unit 101 on the Jordanian village of Qibya, whose "stain" Israel's foreign minister at the time, Moshe Sharett, confided to his diary, "would stick to us and not be washed away for many years." Israeli historian Avi Shlaim, cited in a petition demanding retribution against Sharon for war crimes, describes the massacre thus:

"Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses.

"The UN observer who inspected the scene reached a different conclusion: 'One story was repeated time after time: the bullet splintered door, the body sprawled across the threshold, indicating that the inhabitants had been forced by heavy fire to stay inside until their homes were blown up over them.' The slaughter in Qibya was described contemporaneously in a letter to the president of the United Nations Security Council dated October 16, 1953...from the Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of Jordan to the United States. On 14 October 1953 at 9:30 at night, he wrote, Israeli troops launched a battalion-scale attack on the village of Qibya in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (at the time the West Bank was annexed to Jordan).

"According to the diplomat's account, Israeli forces had entered the village and systematically murdered all occupants of houses, using automatic weapons, grenades and incendiaries. On 14 October, the bodies of 42 Arab civilians had been recovered; several more bodies had been still under the wreckage. Forty houses, the village school and a reservoir had been destroyed. Quantities of unused explosives, bearing Israel army markings in Hebrew, had been found in the village. At about 3 a.m., to cover their withdrawal, Israeli support troops had begun shelling the neighboring villages of Budrus and Shuqba from positions in Israel. The U.S. Department of State issued a statement on 18 October 1953, expressing its 'deepest sympathy for the families of those who lost their lives' in the Qibya attack as well as the conviction that those responsible 'should be brought to account and that effective measures should be taken to prevent such incidents in the future.'"

Let us move now to Sharon's conduct when he was head of the Southern Command of Israel's Defense Forces in the early 1970s. The Gaza "clearances" were vividly described by Phil Reeves in a piece in The London Independent on Jan. 21 of this year:

"Thirty years have elapsed since Ariel Sharon, favourite to win Israel's forthcoming election, was the head of the Israel Defence Forces' southern command, charged with the task of 'pacifying' the recalcitrant Gaza Strip after the 1967 war. But the old men still remember it well. Especially the old men on Wreckage Street. Until late 1970, Wreckage, or Had'd, Street wasn't a street, just one of scores of narrow, nameless alleys weaving through Gaza City's Beach Camp, a shantytown cluttered with low, two-roomed houses, built with UN aid for refugees from the 1948 war who then, as now, were waiting for the international community to settle their future. The street acquired its name after an unusually prolonged visit from Mr Sharon's soldiers. Their orders were to bulldoze hundreds of homes to carve a wide, straight street. This would allow Israeli troops and their heavy armoured vehicles to move easily through the camp, to exert control and hunt down men from the Palestinian Liberation Army.

"'They came at night and began marking the houses they wanted to demolish with red paint,' said Ibrahim Ghanim, 70, a retired labourer. 'In the morning they came back, and ordered everyone to leave. I remember all the soldiers shouting at people, Yalla, yalla, yalla, yalla! They threw everyone's belongings into the street. Then Sharon brought in bulldozers and started flattening the street. He did the whole lot, almost in one day. And the soldiers would beat people, can you imagine? Soldiers with guns, beating little kids?'

"By the time the Israeli army's work was done, hundreds of homes were destroyed, not only in Wreckage Street but through the camp, as Sharon ploughed out a grid of wide security roads. Many of the refugees took shelter in schools, or squeezed into the already badly overcrowded homes of relatives. Other families, usually those with a Palestinian political activist, were loaded into trucks and taken to exile in a town in the heart of the Sinai Desert, then controlled by Israel."

As Reeves reported, the devastation of Beach Camp was far from the exception. "In August 1971 alone, troops under Mr Sharon's command destroyed some 2,000 homes in the Gaza Strip, uprooting 16,000 people for the second time in their lives. Hundreds of young Palestinian men were arrested and deported to Jordan and Lebanon. Six hundred relatives of suspected guerrillas were exiled to Sinai. In the second half of 1971, 104 guerrillas were assassinated. 'The policy at that time was not to arrest suspects, but to assassinate them,' said Raji Sourani, director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights in Gaza City."

As defense minister in Menachem Begin's second government, Sharon was the commander who stunned his colleagues by instigating the fulldress 1982 assault on Lebanon, with the express design of dispatching all Palestinians to Jordan and making Lebanon a client state. From the vantage point of nearly 20 years we can see it was a war plan that cost untold suffering, many thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese lives, and also the deaths of over 1000 Israeli soldiers.

Sharon also engendered the infamous massacres at Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps. The slaughter in the two contiguous camps took place from 6 at night on Sept. 16, 1982 until 8 in the morning on Sept. 18, in an area until the control of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The perpetrators were members of the Phalange militia, the Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied with Israel since the onset of Lebanon's civil war in 1975. The victims during the 62hour rampage included infants, children, women (including pregnant women) and the elderly, some of whom were mutilated or disemboweled before or after they were killed.

To cite only one postmassacre eyewitness account, that of U.S. journalist Thomas Friedman of The New York Times: "Mostly I saw groups of young men in their twenties and thirties who had been lined up against walls, tied by their hands and feet, and then mowed down gangland-style with fusillades of machine-gun fire."

An official Israeli commission of inquiry**chaired by Yitzhak Kahan, president of Israel's Supreme Court**investigated the massacre, and in February 1983 publicly released its findings (without Appendix B, which remains secret). The Kahan Commission found that Ariel Sharon, among other Israelis, had responsibility for the massacre. The commission's report stated: "It is our view that responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defense for having disregarded the danger of acts of vengeance and bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps, and having failed to take this danger into account when he decided to have the Phalangists enter the camps. In addition, responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defense for not ordering appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the danger of massacre as a condition for the Phalangists' entry into the camps. These blunders constitute the nonfulfillment of a duty with which the Defense Minister was charged."

Sharon refused to resign. Finally, on Feb. 14, 1983, he was relieved of his duties as defense minister, though he remained in the cabinet as minister without portfolio.

His career was in eclipse, but he continued to burnish his credentials as a Likud ultra. Sharon has always been against any sort of peace deal, unless on terms entirely impossible for Palestinians to accept. As Nehemia Strasler outlined in Ha'aretz on Jan. 18 of this year, in 1979, as a member of Begin's cabinet, he voted against a peace treaty with Egypt. In 1985 he voted against the withdrawal of Israeli troops to the so-called security zone in Southern Lebanon. In 1991 he opposed Israel's participation in the Madrid peace conference. In 1993 he voted no in the Knesset on the Oslo agreement. The following year he abstained in the Knesset on a vote over a peace treaty with Jordan. He voted against the Hebron agreement in 1997 and objected to the withdrawal from southern Lebanon.

Sharon believes in establishing "facts on the ground." As Begin's minister of agriculture in the late 1970s he established many of the West Bank settlements that are now a major obstruction to any peace deal. His present position? Not another square inch of land for Palestinians on the West Bank. He will agree to a Palestinian state on the existing areas of either total or partial Palestinian control, 42 percent of the West Bank. Israel will retain control of the highways across the West Bank and the water sources. All settlements will stay in place with access by the IDF to them. Jerusalem will remain under Israeli sovereignty and he plans to continue building around the city. The Golan Heights would remain under Israel's control.

It can be argued that Sharon represents the long-term policy of all Israeli governments, without any obscuring fluff or verbal embroidery. Ben-Gurion was complicit in the terror missions of Unit 101. Every Israeli government has condoned or overtly supported settlements and building around Jerusalem. But that doesn't begin to confront Sharon's sinister, violent shadow across the past half century.

That shadow is best evoked by a young Israeli woman, Ilil Komey, 16, who confronted Ariel Sharon last week when he visited her agricultural high school outside Beersheva. The scene was aired on Israeli television. The teenage girl whose father suffered shell shock during the Lebanon war stood and pointed her finger at the 72-year-old Sharon. "I think you sent my father into Lebanon," Ilil said. "Ariel Sharon, I accuse you of having made me suffer for 16 some odd years. I accuse you of having made my father suffer for over 16 years. I accuse you of a lot of things that made a lot of people suffer in this country. I don't think that you can now be elected as prime minister."

Sadly, Ilil is probably wrong. Sharon can be elected. That's the grim truth of the situation.

http://www.iap.org/sharoncrimes.htm
Bent Banana is a Zionist and cant see beyond the 'zionist'explanation for anything.
 

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And people like you will only be happy when all palestinians have been killed, and you can steal all the land between the nile and the Euphrates, and your dream of Greater Eretz...where aparthied is the rule of law, will be the norm.
OMG,I certainly hope not.
Lestat. do you think MGREG and Banana Bender could be related?.
 
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Bomber 2003 and Lestat are the ones who seem to be closely related.

You people are a joke. You don't respond to my posts. You don't answer them or understand them. I made it clear that I don't support Sharon but I support even less the terrorist murderers who you endorse.

Your debating style is to assume a number of things about people and pump out volumes of propaganda and bilge about the people who you're ostensibly argiung a point about but you are actually doing nothing but pouring out racist abuse after racist abuse.

For the record, Israel is a democracy in which its Arabs have full voting rights, it has 10 Arab members in its Knesset and they can say and write what they wish - and they do in the Israeli press. The Jewish newspapers like Haaretz (the source of an earlier post about Palestinian children being killed in workplace accidents by their own people) which you won't accept includes articles by Palestinians and Israeli opponents of Sharon's government.

Getting back to the subject, the truth about Sharon's redeployment plan is that while it may not be entirely satisfactory to everyone, it will substantiall mean that Gaza is left to its own devices. The local population will be able to run their own lives and - you'll like this - it will be "Judenrein". No Jews which is handy for people like you guys who would appreciate the racist Palestinian laws that prevent Jews from owning land. Similarly, Jordanian law which prevents Jews from being citizens.

But I'm sure you know all this and will respond to answering my post with the usual Jew hating abuse and labelling me a "Zionist pig" which says volumes for your wonderful ability to carry an argument, except for the fact that you haven't yet established whether I'm Jewish or a Zionist or anything else for that matter. Which doesn't matter to you because you seem to go on automatic pilot with your ranting whenever you can't win an argument.
 

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Hey Banana Just wondering can you tell me when the Israelis recognised the right of the Palestininian to have a fully independant state, not the semi automonous ghetto they were so genoursly offered by Barak and co.

Please publish the statement were they do.
 

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Bomber 2003 and Lestat are the ones who seem to be closely related.

You people are a joke. You don't respond to my posts. You don't answer them or understand them. I made it clear that I don't support Sharon but I support even less the terrorist murderers who you endorse.

Your debating style is to assume a number of things about people and pump out volumes of propaganda and bilge about the people who you're ostensibly argiung a point about but you are actually doing nothing but pouring out racist abuse after racist abuse.

For the record, Israel is a democracy in which its Arabs have full voting rights, it has 10 Arab members in its Knesset and they can say and write what they wish - and they do in the Israeli press. The Jewish newspapers like Haaretz (the source of an earlier post about Palestinian children being killed in workplace accidents by their own people) which you won't accept includes articles by Palestinians and Israeli opponents of Sharon's government.

Getting back to the subject, the truth about Sharon's redeployment plan is that while it may not be entirely satisfactory to everyone, it will substantiall mean that Gaza is left to its own devices. The local population will be able to run their own lives and - you'll like this - it will be "Judenrein". No Jews which is handy for people like you guys who would appreciate the racist Palestinian laws that prevent Jews from owning land. Similarly, Jordanian law which prevents Jews from being citizens.

But I'm sure you know all this and will respond to answering my post with the usual Jew hating abuse and labelling me a "Zionist pig" which says volumes for your wonderful ability to carry an argument, except for the fact that you haven't yet established whether I'm Jewish or a Zionist or anything else for that matter. Which doesn't matter to you because you seem to go on automatic pilot with your ranting whenever you can't win an argument.
Banana Bender,Pls show me anyway i have said that Palestine should be 'Judenrein'.I may want the world to be MGREGrein,but never 'Judenrein'
 
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Banana Bender,Pls show me anyway i have said that Palestine should be 'Judenrein'.I may want the world to be MGREGrein,but never 'Judenrein'
You remain, as usual, irrational. The fact is that you and Lestat have been frothing at the mouth in support of terrorist thugs like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, the PLO which have charters and constitutions that waffle on about dismantling Israel, is indicative of your support of their genocidal intentions.

When I was challenged about the Hamas Charter and told that it was only available in Arabic, I produced the entire Charter in English and you ignored it. In particular, you drew a blank on statements like -

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it".

The stated intentions of these organizations are freely available everywhere. They're your boys remember.

And don't bother coming back to me with a long tirade about Zionist pigs and Sharon because I'm not impressed with your rants. Neither do I ask for a response from you on this subject and don't expect me to deal with your illogical rantings either.

Blue Mark - Israel was a signatory to the Oslo Accords and the International Road Map to Peace as well as several other agreements with the Palestinian leadership. Arafat has gone on record as having regretted refusing the offer made at Taba (which included an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital) and your interpretation of what was offered is way off the mark. You can do your own research on the matter but the maps are available. Arafat was offered almost everything he asked for as attested by Clinton and Ross in their books on the subject. Only Malley disputes this and he wasn't involved in the process in which the maps were agreed upon.

Be that as it may, I would suggest that if the new Palestinian leadership went back to the Road Map plan and honoured its obligations to disarm the terrorist groups, there would be a mutually agreed upon negotiated settlement leading to Palestinian Statehood because the international community would make sure it happened. Up until now, Arafat has been the main (not the only) stumbling block because he did not prepare his people properly for peace. I'm not saying that the Israelis were perfect either but they were ready to negotiate a settlement. Arafat was not.

If you believe in a peaceful resolution to this conflict and a happy outcome for Israelis and Palestinians alike, you should pray that the current situation results in a Palestinian leadership that wants to make peace and not war.
 

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Some of your rants have been more then illogical.
1-As far as i'm aware i have never said anything about Palestine being 'judenrein'.
2-I have never said anything that could be construed as critical of the policies of Rabin,Shimon Pires etc.Only the policies of Sharon and Netanyahu.
3-I actually have a great deal of respect for David Ben-Gurion,Moshe Dayan etc.None for Sharon,Netanyahu,Begin,Kahane and that ilk.
So i doubt you can find anything i've said that can be construed as saying Palestine should be 'Judenrein'.If u can then ,unlike yourself i will APOLOGISE.
 
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You seem to have changed tack from the person who accused me of being a Zionist earlier on. What you said was previously while I was discussing the issue you're conveniently backtracking on now was - "Bent Banana is a Zionist and cant see beyond the 'zionist'explanation for anything."

Now you suddenly have no problems with "Rabin, Shimon Pires" (I assume you mean Peres) etc who were (are) Zionists. My how you've changed.

You also contested my expressions of digust at the extremism of the Palestinians by raising the red herring of the dead Meir Kahane, claiming that he has "support among 5-6% of religious Jews?" and falsely claiming that "KACH still represented in the Israeli Parliament" and stating naievly "I mean,in most countries,outlawed organistions have NO parliamentary presence." And backed it up with more lies about "what the mainstream isreali press calls ordinary Palestinians."

In those respects you have well and truly exposed yourself for what you are.
 

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Ummm Banana Where has Israel recognised the right of the Palestinians to have thier own fully independent state. Or is a Palestinian state irrelevant?
 

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Why involve me in this bitchfight, I havent even posted in this thread and have no desire to take part.

Sharon is a war criminal. (I put that in to make lestat happy).

I am not concerned about the Middle East anymore. I am sure they can sort it out wihtout my help.
 

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You seem to have changed tack from the person who accused me of being a Zionist earlier on. What you said was previously while I was discussing the issue you're conveniently backtracking on now was - "Bent Banana is a Zionist and cant see beyond the 'zionist'explanation for anything."
Well obviously you cant.
Now you suddenly have no problems with "Rabin, Shimon Pires" (I assume you mean Peres) etc who were (are) Zionists. My how you've changed.
In deed i mean Peres.But they were and are ILP people as well.and none of them stole from the Israeli people.Or do you deny that Bibi stole from the Israeli people?.
You also contested my expressions of digust at the extremism of the Palestinians by raising the red herring of the dead Meir Kahane, claiming that he has "support among 5-6% of religious Jews?" and falsely claiming that "KACH still represented in the Israeli Parliament" and stating naievly "I mean,in most countries,outlawed organistions have NO parliamentary presence.
I believe that is the percentage of support he has,had,among religious Jews
And backed it up with more lies about "what the mainstream isreali press calls ordinary Palestinians."
Obviously you really have never read Haaretz when it's discussing palestinian settlement in the Territories.
In those respects you have well and truly exposed yourself for what you are.
And you have exposed yourself as either gullible or Naive.Or both.
 
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