Toast The Ultimate Trophy Cabinet

[Gralin]

Hawks are running this over the next 11 days. They've done 25-11, can we guess the order of the top 10 based on the rules at the bottom of the article and who has come so far?
25-11
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-04/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-2511
10
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-05/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-10
9
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-06/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-9
8
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-07/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-8
7
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-08/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-7
6
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-09/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-6
5
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-10/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-5
4
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-11/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-4
3
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-12/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-3
2
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-13/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-2
1
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-14/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-1

Here at Hawthorn, we understand that AFL is a team game. Each player, coach and official is but a cog in the wheel of a well-oiled machine, chugging towards success.

But over the next 11 days, we’re forgetting about the team achievements and throwing the spotlight on individuals.

Here’s the question; which Hawk has the most impressive trophy case of all time?

Each accolade has been given a weighting (see bottom of page), and the numbers have been crunched to see who comes out on top.

The table they are using to determine points



Those named so far include some pretty decorated servants of the club

Edit the list so far
25th Ian Law 60 pts
24th Chris Mew 61 pts
23rd Russell Greene 62 pts
22nd Cyril Rioli 64 pts
21st Bert Mills 65 pts
20th John Peck 75 pts
19th John Kennedy Snr 81 pts
=17th Lance Franklin 83 pts
=17th Gary Buckenara 83 pts
16th Kelvin Moore 87 pts
15th Robert DiPierdomenico 91 pts
14th Dermott Brereton 93 pts
13th Don Scott 96 pts
12th Chris Langford 104 pts
11th Gary Ayres 106 pts
10th Peter Knights 107 pts
9th Luke Hodge 112 pts
8th Graham Arthur 116 pts
7th Sam Mitchell 138 pts
6th John Platten 159 pts
5th Peter Hudson 167 pts
4th Shane Crawford 168 pts
3rd Michael Tuck 169 pts
2nd Jason Dunstall 189 pts
1st Leigh Matthews 254 pts

 

[TheFourPillars]

hmmm Mathews still up there prolly number 1

 

[Gralin]

We've got guys like Dunstall, Platten, Crawf, Mitch, Hodge, Rough, Lethal and of course Tucky not mentioned so far

who else could be in the top 10?

 

[Manila_Hawk]

We've got guys like Dunstall, Platten, Crawf, Mitch, Hodge, Rough, Lethal and of course Tucky not mentioned so far

who else could be in the top 10?

Graham Arthur ?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I love that we get to have these kinds of discussions - we are blessed to support this club.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Doing the maths in my head I don’t see how Tucky can overtake Lethal - the AFL Legend status and AFL Team of the Century points will help get him over Tucky’s superior games, premierships and years as captain points totals.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

We've got guys like Dunstall, Platten, Crawf, Mitch, Hodge, Rough, Lethal and of course Tucky not mentioned so far

who else could be in the top 10?

Langford, Mew, Ayres, Hudson...

 

[Gold Member]

Does this count?

 

[Gralin]

Langford, Mew, Ayres, Hudson...

updated OP with the list so far, Langfor, Ayres and Mew already there in the 25-11 bracket

Huddo could be top 10 though

 

[Gold Member]

Apologies, fixed the Predator...

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Apologies, fixed the Predator...

If it tans, we can kill it.

 

[tommyk72]

Love to see the breakdown of how they've scored on an individual basis!

 

[shotgun_blues]

Top 10 will be easy. At a guess in order though not so easy.

10th. Knights
9th. Gibson
8th. Hudson
7th. Crawford
6th. Platten
5th. Mitchell
4th. Hodge
3rd. Dunstall
2nd. Tuck
1st. Matthews

 

[Argy]

You got No 10 right!

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-05/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-10

 

[seysearles]

Why is a premiership only worth 5pts? I would have thought it would be the most valuable trophy. Having it worth almost half as much as a best & fairest, or a Coleman, rising star or an all Australian is just weird. Kind undermines the whole exercise to me.

 

[Kil Phearns]

Hodge at 9: http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-01-06/the-ultimate-trophy-cabinet-9

I'll have a go at the top 8 (based on my admittedly rough calculations):
8 Peter Hudson
7 Graham Arthur
6 Michael Tuck
5 Sam Mitchell
4 John Platten
3 Shane Crawford
2 Jason Dunstall
1 Leigh Matthews

 

[Davo23]

Why is a premiership only worth 5pts? I would have thought it would be the most valuable trophy. Having it worth almost half as much as a best & fairest, or a Coleman, rising star or an all Australian is just weird. Kind undermines the whole exercise to me.

I agree with you that a premiership win is the ultimate, and needs a better reward. A premiership is what we strive for, and it beats any individual award.
On the other hand, we have played in lots of them and there are several players who have fluked a premiership win over the years.

Maybe we double the points for Norm Smith and give extra points for the best 5 players in a premiership win?

 

[tommyk72]

I think the point is the individual trophy cabinet. Hence the lower value for premierships. We all know we play for them ultimately. This is a bit of off-season fun.

 

[Gralin]

I think the point is the individual trophy cabinet. Hence the lower value for premierships. We all know we play for them ultimately. This is a bit of off-season fun.

That's my view. This is getting at the fact that playing in a flag requires a good to great team, obviously you have to be a good enough player to play in a flag but there are plenty of great players who never did and would have walked into other clubs premiership teams.

Add to that we need a way to grade all those multiple premiership players and individual accolades is one way.

 

[seysearles]

I agree with you that a premiership win is the ultimate, and needs a better reward. A premiership is what we strive for, and it beats any individual award.
On the other hand, we have played in lots of them and there are several players who have fluked a premiership win over the years.

Maybe we double the points for Norm Smith and give extra points for the best 5 players in a premiership win?

I think the point is the individual trophy cabinet. Hence the lower value for premierships. We all know we play for them ultimately. This is a bit of off-season fun.

That's my view. This is getting at the fact that playing in a flag requires a good to great team, obviously you have to be a good enough player to play in a flag but there are plenty of great players who never did and would have walked into other clubs premiership teams.

Add to that we need a way to grade all those multiple premiership players and individual accolades is one way.

Well as a very simple comparison some guy who has won a club Best and Fairest (9pts), an All Australian(9pts) and a Coleman(9pts) for one good season could rank higher than a bloke who had won 5 premierships (5pts) over the course of his career. Im pretty sure that doesn't make any sense.

 

[arupist]

No points for AFLPA Captain of the Year?
Harder on Hodge and Mitchell not being in TOC or HOF (yet) as these are big point scorers.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Why is a premiership only worth 5pts? I would have thought it would be the most valuable trophy. Having it worth almost half as much as a best & fairest, or a Coleman, rising star or an all Australian is just weird. Kind undermines the whole exercise to me.

Did you read the article? Quotes from it as below.

Here at Hawthorn, we understand that AFL is a team game. Each player, coach and official is but a cog in the wheel of a well-oiled machine, chugging towards success.

But over the next 11 days, we’re forgetting about the team achievements and throwing the spotlight on individuals.

Here’s the question; which Hawk has the most impressive trophy case of all time?

(Explanation as to why premierships gain you points) Despite being a team achievement, we felt it was important to still include premierships, but with considerable less weighting than other individual achievements.

Let’s look at it this way - Birchall and Matthews both have four premierships each. Do you think they’re going to build a statue of Birch outside the MCG any time soon?

 

[seysearles]

Did you read the article? Quotes from it as below.

Here at Hawthorn, we understand that AFL is a team game. Each player, coach and official is but a cog in the wheel of a well-oiled machine, chugging towards success.

But over the next 11 days, we’re forgetting about the team achievements and throwing the spotlight on individuals.

Here’s the question; which Hawk has the most impressive trophy case of all time?

(Explanation as to why premierships gain you points) Despite being a team achievement, we felt it was important to still include premierships, but with considerable less weighting than other individual achievements.

Let’s look at it this way - Birchall and Matthews both have four premierships each. Do you think they’re going to build a statue of Birch outside the MCG any time soon?

No I didn't but I also consider a premiership medal to be a team award and an individual award. You win it as a team but you own the medal as an individual. And its the best award you can win by a long way. If your going to try to do something like this you may as well just not include premiership in the criteria. Either that or give them the proper rating the deserve (which is basically double the next award which is probably norm smith or brownlow).

 

[Ned Ryerson]

No I didn't but I also consider a premiership medal to be a team award and an individual award. You win it as a team but you own the medal as an individual. And its the best award you can win by a long way. If your going to try to do something like this you may as well just not include premiership in the criteria. Either that or give them the proper rating the deserve (which is basically double the next award which is probably norm smith or brownlow).

No. Seriously - the rationale for the entire thing is to celebrate individual success. If that’s the metric then of course they are going to give higher weightings to solely individual awards, with the weighting favouring the awards that are rarer to hold - such as the legend status.

The way you’re talking - you are comparing the individual effort of somebody winning a Brownlow or kicking the most goals in a season to the effort of Jonathon Simpkin in the 4th quarter of the 2013 grand final.

I don’t disagree that winning a premiership is in some way an individual award - but in the metrics of what the Hawks social media team are trying to demonstrate it certainly doesn’t warrant a higher weighting.

 

[seysearles]

No. Seriously - the rationale for the entire thing is to celebrate individual success. If that’s the metric then of course they are going to give higher weightings to solely individual awards, with the weighting favouring the awards that are rarer to hold - such as the legend status.

The way you’re talking - you are comparing the individual effort of somebody winning a Brownlow or kicking the most goals in a season to the effort of Jonathon Simpkin in the 4th quarter of the 2013 grand final.

I don’t disagree that winning a premiership is in some way an individual award - but in the metrics of what the Hawks social media team are trying to demonstrate it certainly doesn’t warrant a higher weighting.

I would rather be Jonathan Simpkin than Brendan Fevola or even Scott West.