You didn't follow the royal commission did youI often wonder if having a banker as Chairman has created a completely risk averse culture
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You didn't follow the royal commission did youI often wonder if having a banker as Chairman has created a completely risk averse culture
True. I'm not convinced the Chairman/President needs to be a football person though. Peggy O'Neil for example is from the US and came from a telco (?) background.Chapman really isn't a football person. Not in a Maguire sense anyway. Was never really that interested in footy prior to his engagement. His initial appointment probably had something to do with our financiers at the time. Who knows why he's still there, although he does sit on a few boards.
what about 22.1 (b) (ii) though.Well no, I don't think that you have said is accurate. Did you read the fine print?
As it reads, the AFL has a temporary membership of the club based upon an agreement relating to the 'development grant completion date', with that class of membership being granted prevailing rights over the composition of the non-elected board positions.
I imagine this relates to the capital that was used to purchase the license- i.e. the AFL has assumed the rule of the SANFL, but with a strict date that will cease that arrangement. That date is: 31 October 2028 (or such earlier time as the AFC and the AFL agree).
I.e. it could be ended sooner. In the event that it is not ended sooner, the following applies:
In practice, there is no conceivable way that the AFL is not simply acting on the advice of the current directors and recommendations in appointing.
Pursuant to clause 7.2:
Cessation of AFL Membership
(a) The AFL will cease to be a Member on the Development Grant Completion Date.
(b) From the Development Grant Completion Date, the Board may grant all of the rights held by the AFL to any other class of Member that is in existence on the Development Grant Completion Date or is otherwise established by the Board.
(c) If the Board does not grant the rights of the AFL Voting Member to another class or classes, the Board will grant all of the rights held by the AFL to the Electing Members.
I.e. the AFL does not have any sense of permanent ownership over the club, and it is plausibly a very real and very live possibility that the board will 'choose' to convey the director appointment power on only a limited class of members when the time comes- perhaps limited to the board members- but that is a live decision that needs to be made and fans absolutely should be trying to pressure that decision, and ensure that it's made public when it occurs.
In practice, there is no conceivable way that the AFL is not simply acting on the advice of the current directors and recommendations in appointing at present..
It's also worth noting that the agreement can be moved forward to an earlier time (but not delayed). I.e. public pressure could result in that arrangement being varied, it if were considered 'bad for business'. We could have membership voting rights for the entire board sooner.
In summary: your read of the situation was quite poor, and you should feel bad.
Peggy ONeil is an interesting one, as she clearly had a mandate for change, and has a "footy person" as an offsider (Brenda Gale). There's no such mandate at Adelaide.True. I'm not convinced the Chairman/President needs to be a football person though. Peggy O'Neil for example is from the US and came from a telco (?) background.
Its disconcerting that the Chairman was re-elected and no-one outside knew until it was announced. No fixed term for the Chairman where there are no member voting rights ..? No published discussion of succession planning (that I'm aware of) ..? Frustrating
You didn't follow the royal commission did you
So in the short term it appears neither Fagan nor Chapman are going anywhere. Perhaps the next place to look to strengthen up the club off field would be to find an experienced "football person" to take over the Head of Football Dept role?Peggy ONeil is an interesting one, as she clearly had a mandate for change, and has a "footy person" as an offsider (Brenda Gale). There's no such mandate at Adelaide.
I was going to post the same thing
Here are pictures of Southerntakeover and feenix67 , but i forget which is which
We really liked patrick cripps that year we lost the picks....Those 1st and 2nd round draft picks lost in 2013 would be hitting 50 to 100 games about now. (If we picked right).
They would be a pretty handy addition right now.
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Pretty sure it was only one of us measuring dicks in this thread, and it wasn't me. Only a fool would get the tape measure out in this weather!!Bob Odenkirk and Tom Cruise have dick measuring contents?
So in the short term it appears neither Fagan nor Chapman are going anywhere. Perhaps the next place to look to strengthen up the club off field would be to find an experienced "football person" to take over the Head of Football Dept role?
I have a genuine fear right now that Pyke in 1-2 years time will either be pushed or jump off of the cliff and that Campo after an extensive searching, robust screening and interview processes will be appointed our next head coach
It's interesting that Burton has magically become invisible since the draft last year. I sometimes wonder why the club chose to take down the web page from the club site that listed all the staff and their respective roles in early January. I also wonder if there has been some restructuring done behind the scenes, or at least considerable rearranging or juggling of peoples roles? Theres clearly been some change
Come on, you know it makes sense .. the best man for the job just happens to be "right here within our own coaching panel" .. woohoo
Come on, you know it makes sense
I could be wrong but wasn't one of those lost picks Dom Sheed ..Those 1st and 2nd round draft picks lost in 2013 would be hitting 50 to 100 games about now. (If we picked right).
They would be a pretty handy addition right now.
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Burton has been the worst appointment in the club's history. Worse than using a top 10 pick on Angwin.
Not just for the injuries, the CM debacle and that infamous press conference, but other facets that we had worked so hard on have regressed under him.
Player retention (and attraction), coaching staff retention/appointments, player development and even our drafting has declined under him (Phil Bunn a big loss IMO). Many of those leaving have also left on bad terms (Bode, Lever, Francou, etc).
Worst of all, there's absolutely no strategy in how we go about building for a season and for the longer-term future. It's just hope everybody gets fit and pick the most senior team and then hope the opposition fails to turn up.
He's ruined our premiership window and he's ruining the chances of a (relatively) pain free rejuvenation of the side as players decline.
Our women's team are lucky that he considers them beneath him.
Our Chairman isn't a footy person, our CEO isn't a footy person, our director of football hasn't actually had a job inside football since he retired, our head of football is a crap fitness coach who only spent 4 years outside Adelaide, Pyke spent 4 years as an assistant before getting the head coaching job, Campo has been with us for a decade, Mattner and Godden are rookies, Hart has 4 years at the Pies before being dumped, Reid is a player manager.Chapman really isn't a football person. Not in a Maguire sense anyway. Was never really that interested in footy prior to his engagement. His initial appointment probably had something to do with our financiers at the time. Who knows why he's still there, although he does sit on a few boards.
Our Chairman isn't a footy person, our CEO isn't a footy person, our director of football hasn't actually had a job inside football since he retired, our head of football is a crap fitness coach who only spent 4 years outside Adelaide, Pyke spent 4 years as an assistant before getting the head coaching job, Campo has been with us for a decade, Mattner and Godden are rookies, Hart has 4 years at the Pies before being dumped, Reid is a player manager.
Do we actually have anyone with some varied and quality long term-experience involved in decision making at the club?
Best man for the job according to Fagan. Makes me remember the sham "search" that was run that found Nigel Smart to be the best guy we can hire for COO.That blank look in the press conference will be the lasting memory of the Birdman once he leaves. As bad as he has been, I am more critical of those and the process that hired him, defended him and then didn't get rid of him a the end of 2018. It just goes to show you how little those running the club care about onfield success. They must have been shocked when we made the GF in 2017 - "f*** me we didn't see that coming"
Imagine how much better our side would look if we didn't get f’ed over for the Tippett thing
Shouldn't his position automatically be "no", not "let's look at it", if he's so concerned about and on the wavelengths of Indigenous people?
Imagine how much better our side would look if we didn't get f’ed over for the Tippett thing
Don't worry, it won't be Campo...
Simon Goodwin, come on down!
what about 22.1 (b) (ii) though.
I think that’s more relevant to the discussion. 7 is relating to membership and that up until the DGCD the AFL has its own class of membership which carries normal member rights and some bells/whistles.
The real nub of the issue it seems is 22.1 as mentioned above. Under this provision it’s the AFL who appoints Directors after consulting with the board and receiving recommendations.
It’s not clear whether the AFL is in any way bound or whether they exercise their own decision making power.
There doesn’t appear to be any convention as in the operation of our parliamentary constitution.
The fact the term consultation is inserted could lead to an inference they are not bound.
In any event it’s not ideal that the AFL has such power I don’t think
That's a lot of words for someone apparently unaffected. Looks like the only person with a bruised chest in this thread is you
I guess we'll see what happens in a few years time won't we?