Roast The Vent Thread

[chimmez]

With all due respect, your real test won't come until round 1 next year. If your club has actually turned it around and is now heading in a northerly direction, your first real test won't come against Collingwood or Essendon but will come after a per season when the supporters have slapped the players on the back, they ave received the accolades over summer for being a great side but weather they have the right attitude to continue to work as hard and do the little things that it takes to win.

I could not agree more with that sentiment; Adelaide went through the exact thing last year. And while I really don't think that Port will make it to within a kick for the grand final, the issue of becoming big-headed is something that they really need to watch. It does seem like the Advertiser and other news outlets really have been pumping up the tires of Adelaide; not that this is really anything new, but the fact that Adelaide had a stellar season last year gave those opinions more credence. Secondly, this is the Adelaide board, surely we should be discussing Adelaide, rather than simply bashing on the fact that Port have a soft draw to start the year.

Have a look at my previous post and tell me what you think, I would be interested to know

Hi,

Just want to preface that I am a port supporter, so read into that what you will; however, after last season I found myself actually enjoying the style of play that Adelaide were bringing to the field, especially when I found it extremely hard to watch my own team!

I would create a new thread; but as I haven't yet made 5 posts (even though my account has been on here for ages!) and thus can't create a new one. This seemed like the best thread to post to.

In any case, I thought that I would post here just to make a few points about Adelaide, and to have some good honest discussion about their current problems and what can be done to fix them. So, here goes:

1) There is a culture issue with some of the players
From watching all of the Adelaide games this season, I have been trying to work out a better way of wording this rather than 'culture' because that is a touchy word between Port and Adelaide supporters; so apologies in advance for my choice of words. Something that I really liked last year about Adelaide was their ability to really to really go hard and fair at the ball; players like Dangerfield were leading the way in putting their head down and simply thinking about nothing but the footy. This year, it seems that this is the exception, rather than the rule. I will give and example.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/featured-programs/match-review-panel - 1:17 of the round 4 match (showdown). Bernie Vince came in really late for the contest. Yes, he did get the ball first, but he was watching the man the entire way. This act sort of 'inspired' port to go at the ball harder, and win the contest. Contrast this to this weeks game of West Coast and Port. I forget the player (Darren Glass?), but there was a very hard knock on Paul Stewart (no video up yet that I could find). Now, Glass got reported for that, but there was no malicious intent whatsoever (and really should not have been reported for that); and the Port players were clearly ruffled because it was a good, clean hit, and it put the 'footsteps' in the back of the players minds. This is the sort of thing the crows have lacked this year; going in hard at the ball and putting fear in the opposition, rather than playing unfairly (again, for want of a better word). This is the thing that I loved about watching Adelaide last year - they weren't about going in for the cheap shot wherever (ala Nigel Smart), and really respected the opposition in every match; not nearly so much this year. The quality and skill of the Adelaide players is exceptional - there is a mindset issue going on.

Now, I am not sure how you guys can fix this appart from Sanderson simply giving everyone a rocket at training or even dropping players that simply don't respect the game enough. This 'culture issue' is increasing evident through the contested possession numbers that your boys have put up over the last couple of weeks.

2) Disposal Efficiency
This is something that has taken a huge step back from last year. The statistics may not seem as bad as they are, but the fact is that your best players and shanking the ball at times when they really should be hitting easy targets. It is almost as if the underdog moniker suited the psyche of the players much more so than being favorites. The fact is, Adelaide have 4 or more players that should really be in contention for All Australian status; however, the ability for Adelaide to consistently miss targets is really not becoming of that fact; and unlike teams such as WCE, there really is no excuse from injuries.

3) As good a coach as Brenton Sanderson, it seems like other coaches have broken his game plan
Yes, I really think that Sanderson is really one of the elite coaches in the competition. The turnaround that Adelaide have had over the last year has been enormous. Having said that, it really appears that teams have been doing their homework on the strategies that Sanderson has implemented. I think it was Tim Ginever on SEN sports who were saying that Jacob's ruck work is as good as ever, but opposition teams have worked out the 3 or 4 ways that Jacob's taps the ball and to which players; this gives clearances to opposition midfields that they really shouldn't have been getting. Again, the Adelaide midfield should really but up there in the top 3 or 4 in the competition; right now they don't look like a top eight-to-ten midfield.

Now, I think Sanderson is a good enough coach to implement new strategies - and, lets not forget that the loss of Tippet has really meant that the forward structure has changed dramatically, while the strategy about going into the forward half has remained unchanged from last year. While Tippet was hardly the most skilled footballer in the Adelaide team, he was always willing to contest the hard ball fairly. Even if he did not take a mark, he always 'dropped' the ball in advantageous areas for the likes of Slone and Dangerfield to crumb. Jenkin's is not (yet?) the class act that Tippet was and is.

What do you guys think? Do I just seem like some crazed Port supporter (I really have tried to be as impartial as possible), or do you think that my points are relevant? I really want to see this Adelaide team firing; last year they were exciting to watch, this year not so much.

Also, Mike Smith (I will post the comment below), I would seriously question whether PA has more talent than Adelaide currently; draft picks do not necessarily equal good teams (melbourne is the obvious example). Teams such as Adelaide who have not been down the real bottom end of the ladder for a while do have other options available to them, such as great development programs and good trading - Sydney is the obvious example here, and you could argue that the same goes for Collingwood (post 2005). Simply being given better draft picks does not make for a great football team; factors such as club culture, training regimes and especially the leadership matter just as much IMO.

Agree with most of your post except the bolded bit. Port have more talent than the AFC thanks to those top 8 draft picks and some sound trading.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not quite true Alex, if they made the GF this year and won who gives a stuff about next year. But this won't happen.

True. Never say never I guess and good luck to them.

 

[FR0GGY]

Kentor I'm a bit confused as to why your first 3 posts are to do with the crows on the crows board. Even though your posts make sense

 

[chimmez]

Kentor I'm a bit confused as to why your first 3 posts are to do with the crows on the crows board. Even though your posts make sense

Because I usually just lurk on the forums. The reason I posted here was really just because I wanted to sound out some of my ideas why Adelaide was having a bit of a hard time this year; and if I can get people on this board to agree with me, then I believe that I would be on the right track as there will obviously be a pro-Adelaide bias here.

Again, I am Port supporter and member, but when its Adelaide V Carlton, I will really be going for the SA team and don't want to see Adelaide get smashed! (Unless its against Port or Collingwood!)

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I actually believe and have so for some time now that our side is stacked with DUMB footballers

Last year Sando hatched a game plan that was simple with one key focus "contested ball"

This pre-season Sando has tried to build on last years simple plan by adding a greater offense flavor and our players haven't been able to adopt a plan that requires decisions to be made, when to hunt, when to spread, when to give, when to carry

Some of the poor decision that we see on a week to week basis is just mind blowing

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

More classy comments from the port poster on our thread on their board (ironic I know) about Tex, his knee injury and how we are handling it.

 

[FR0GGY]

I actually believe and have so for some time now that our side is stacked with DUMB footballers

Last year Sando hatched a game plan that was simple with one key focus "contested ball"

This pre-season Sando has tried to build on last years simple plan by adding a greater offense flavor and our players haven't been able to adopt a plan that requires decisions to be made, when to hunt, when to spread, when to give, when to carry

Some of the poor decision that we see on a week to week basis is just mind blowing

Absolutely go through our lists and name the "smart" footballers, shouldn't take too long.

Tex
Porps
Vince
Sloane
Truck
Smith
Otten
Dangers a maybe

Struggling after this

 

[chimmez]

More classy comments from the port poster on our thread on their board (ironic I know) about Tex, his knee injury and how we are handling it.

Not me buddy, someone else. Please don't judge everyone on the stereotype, otherwise spotlight would be receiving much better business from crows supporters. If you would read my other posts, you would realize that i'm not actually being a douche.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not me buddy, someone else. Please don't judge everyone on the stereotype, otherwise spotlight would be receiving much better business from crows supporters. If you would read my other posts, you would realize that i'm not actually being a douche.

Well, considering 4 of those 5 posts of yours have been in this thread and they have been about the Crows, I wonder who yiu really go for?

Unless this is a massive troll in the making?

 

[Crow-eater]

More classy comments from the port poster on our thread on their board (ironic I know) about Tex, his knee injury and how we are handling it.

Remember when we booed Shultz last year after we though he took a dive and how it was the end of the world?

Trent Hentschel and now Tex. Some of them make me sick

 

[Danger in Texas]

Remember when we booed Shultz last year after we though he took a dive and how it was the end of the world?

Trent Hentschel and now Tex. Some of them make me sick

Modra and Carey before that...

 

[Bicks]

Says it all really, it really is that obvious to everybody....

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/adelaides-worries-go-beyond-tex/tabid/91/newsid/105521/default.aspx

Walker's injury not Adelaide's only problem
Everyone was quick to write-off Adelaide's season when Taylor Walker went down with a knee injury early in the game against Carlton on Saturday. It is hard to disagree, but the lack of a tall goalkicking option after losing Kurt Tippett and now Walker is not the sole reason. The simple fact is that winning the tough contested ball - which became a hallmark of their play last year - has simply disappeared in the early matches of the season. In the match against Carlton only three Adelaide players had 10 or more contested possessions (Rory Sloane and Patrick Dangerfield 11 apiece and the much-improved Richard Douglas 10). By contrast Carlton had six players achieve that total, led by Mitch Robinson, who had 20. If Adelaide don't start winning the hard ball more often it won't matter who they have in their forward line, they will continue to struggle as they have all season.

 

[Coopers]

If Adelaide don't start winning the hard ball more often it won't matter who they have in their forward line, they will continue to struggle as they have all season.

This is the silver lining!

We suck so much it doesn't matter that we don't have Tex!

 

[chimmez]

Well, considering 4 of those 5 posts of yours have been in this thread and they have been about the Crows, I wonder who yiu really go for?

Unless this is a massive troll in the making?

Not troll, actually just wanted to have some intellectual conversation; something that Alex_on_fire seems does not seem to be able to acomplish. Yes - all of my post ever have been on this thread (despite you somehow thinking that only 4/5 were here..), in the last 24 hours! shocking! If I can quote myself, I said before that while I am a Port supporter, unless we are playing Adelaide or collingwood, I will tend to go for Adelaide, hence my posting to the board. While I have been happy to lurk on the boards up until now, I thought that I could start and interesting conversation; something that seems well beyond your abilities. So, enough with the "port supports are kicking both me, and my dog when we are down" circlejerk thanks. Now, back to the topic!

This is the silver lining!

We suck so much it doesn't matter that we don't have Tex!

I somewhat agree with what you have said here. As Carlton proved, you do not need a 'key' forward ala Franklin/Cloke to be dominate in a game. Adelaide have to quickly find an x-factor type player in the forward line, and have the midfield deliver; something which they really have not yet done this year. The solution could really be as what Rowe was saying on 5AA on the way home from work today; put Dangerfield up into full forward. He has the skills and agility to be a better Eddie Betts; the problem now becomes who replaces him in the midfield. The only people I can come up with are Vince (who I really have little respect for; not as a player, but simply his influence and as Rowe said tonight - the bigheaded-ness of the team) and Lyons who has yet to play an AFL game.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not troll, actually just wanted to have some intellectual conversation; something that Alex_on_fire seems does not seem to be able to acomplish. Yes - all of my post ever have been on this thread (despite you somehow thinking that only 4/5 were here..), in the last 24 hours! shocking! If I can quote myself, I said before that while I am a Port supporter, unless we are playing Adelaide or collingwood, I will tend to go for Adelaide, hence my posting to the board. While I have been happy to lurk on the boards up until now, I thought that I could start and interesting conversation; something that seems well beyond your abilities. So, enough with the "port supports are kicking both me, and my dog when we are down" circlejerk thanks. Now, back to the topic!.

You might actually want to make some posts on the port board. Looks a bit suspicious.

You're either trolling us or you're trolling them. Time will see.

 

[chimmez]

You might actually want to make some posts on the port board. Looks a bit suspicious.

You're either trolling us or you're trolling them. Time will see.

Does anybody have anything constructive to add to the discussion other than 'ermagherd, someone from 100m down the road has some constructive criticism'?

I believe that I actually posted a relatively large post about what Adelaide can do to to improve, not ' haha how shit are crows, circlejerk around power'. So, please comment on what I stated previously because I would like to have some discussion on what i said, rather than the box that I ticked when I signed up for my BigFooty account nearly a year ago - it was my first post if that helps. If you are not going to be accommodating Alex_is_on_fire, I wont come back (or I might, and just tick a different box upon signup :/ ), however you seem to be the only person on this thread that has actually had a dispute with what I have been saying - and indeed, you have been lying about my posting history. Indeed, despite all of my posts being on this thread, I have received multiple likes on my posts, suggesting that what I have been posting is relevant. Before replying to this, please read my comment history (as short as it is) or even PM me ~ I am not really that shit of a bloke.

I never posted about Walker's injury - I was at work all day and so did not come on to BigFooty, so please stop with this slander. While I don't think Walker was a smart person or player by any means, his position needed neither of those attributes. What Walker needs (or needed) to do is to simply lead for the ball, take strong marks, kick goals and push up into defense if necessary. His ACL injury is a great loss to your club; he may not have been a smart footballer, but he was a good and reliable one.

This is the vent thread, and despite the fact that I posted my vents, I have not really received many responses to what I have concluded..

 

[Vader]

Don't worry. Alex is notoriously thin skinned, with a troll detector permanently set about 8 notches too far towards the "sensitive" side.

Nothing wrong with anything you've written on this board so far.

 

[Bicks]

While I don't think Walker was a smart person or player by any means, his position needed neither of those attributes. What Walker needs (or needed) to do is to simply lead for the ball, take strong marks, kick goals and push up into defense if necessary. His ACL injury is a great loss to your club; he may not have been a smart footballer, but he was a good and reliable one.

Utter, utter bullshit!!!!

Whilst Tex might not come across as an intellectual genius in the media, as a footballer he is easily one the smartest footballers, if not the smartest footballer on our list bar none. The only knock there has ever been on Tex was his application, something consigned to distant memory under Sando!!!

For pure footy smarts he would be in the top echelon of AFL players!!!

 

[BigLefty]

You might actually want to make some posts on the port board. Looks a bit suspicious.

You're either trolling us or you're trolling them. Time will see.

Doesnt seem like a troll, but does seem like an alt account for someone that doesnt want their Port brothers knowing he/she is capable of discussing the Camry's in a sensible manner.

I think kentor is coming out the closet.

 

[Jack is Back]

You might actually want to make some posts on the port board. Looks a bit suspicious.

You're either trolling us or you're trolling them. Time will see.

I agree Alex. I suspect that Kentor is A Few Good Men in disguise.

 

[FR0GGY]

While I don't think Walker was a smart person or player by any means, his position needed neither of those attributes. What Walker needs (or needed) to do is to simply lead for the ball, take strong marks, kick goals and push up into defense if necessary. His ACL injury is a great loss to your club; he may not have been a smart footballer, but he was a good and reliable one.

Sorry kentor your were doing reasonably well until this gem, and as bicks pointed out its just complete rubbish. Not sure where you get the notion that he's not a smart footy player. He's the exact opposite. I suggest there is no smarter player in either port or the crows footy wise.

 

[chimmez]

Doesnt seem like a troll, but does seem like an alt account for someone that doesnt want their Port brothers knowing he/she is capable of discussing the Camry's in a sensible manner.

I think kentor is coming out the closet.

Haha, at least an alt account is better than a troll account! Also, thanks Vader for being a good mod.

Utter, utter bullshit!!!!

Whilst Tex might not come across as an intellectual genius in the media, as a footballer he is easily one the smartest footballers, if not the smartest footballer on our list bar none. The only knock there has ever been on Tex was his application, something consigned to distant memory under Sando!!!

For pure footy smarts he would be in the top echelon of AFL players!!!

Football smarts no; ability to do what the coach tells him to do, yes. He has the physique to be one of the best power forwards in the current AFL. Last year, he was helped along by a midfield that was firing, and a simple game plan, like The Sloane Ranger pointed out. The mids put the ball in his area, and his strength and skill, rather than his smarts positioned him as a great forward. So far this year he has failed somewhat to fire more-so due to the fact that the midfield has been unable to provide significant entries rather than being out of form.

What I am saying, and I don't think that it is that far fetched, is that that Walker can play his role really well, however once he is out of his comfort zone, the mids aren't firing and the pressure is on, he does not know how to position himself; how to take the 'pressure' mark (a mark that he would normally take easily). This is not so much his 'fault' as that of the coaching staff - the Adelaide midfield strategy has been picked apart during the off season; this is evident in the fact that Brisbane was able to outplay Adelaide throughout most of the match (as was Port by WCE - simply to state that I am not being 'unfair') in the midfield. If walker is not presented with the ball repeatedly, he is not a smart footballer. IE, while I would actually rate Walker as a better strait up CHF than Nick Riewoldt, the latter is a much smarter player across the field.

I agree Alex. I suspect that Kentor is A Few Good Men in disguise.

Also, as I said before, after last year, I was really hoping Adelaide could get across the line against Hawthorn - when PA and Collingwood are not in contention, why should I not go for the South Australian team besides pettiness? So yes, in some form I am 'A Few Good Men in disguise"

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Don't worry. Alex is notoriously thin skinned, with a troll detector permanently set about 8 notches too far towards the "sensitive" side.

Nothing wrong with anything you've written on this board so far.

You are right, what he has actually posted isn't troll worthy. However, he has been a member of the Big Footy cyber community for just over a month now and his entire 8 post has been made in this thread.

I guess, and I could be wrong but I along with 99.99% of other members would make at least one post on the team board they supporter. Most would be this within a hour, or even a day but no, this guy has waited 5 weeks. Nothing wrong with that, if he is not trolling or planning on trolling someone.

 

[Elite Crow]

I actually believe and have so for some time now that our side is stacked with DUMB footballers

Last year Sando hatched a game plan that was simple with one key focus "contested ball"

This pre-season Sando has tried to build on last years simple plan by adding a greater offense flavor and our players haven't been able to adopt a plan that requires decisions to be made, when to hunt, when to spread, when to give, when to carry

Some of the poor decision that we see on a week to week basis is just mind blowing

Agree with this we are extremely dumb, how many times do we give up dumb free kicks? It drives me insane.

 

[Bicks]

Haha, at least an alt account is better than a troll account! Also, thanks Vader for being a good mod.



Football smarts no; ability to do what the coach tells him to do, yes. He has the physique to be one of the best power forwards in the current AFL. Last year, he was helped along by a midfield that was firing, and a simple game plan, like The Sloane Ranger pointed out. The mids put the ball in his area, and his strength and skill, rather than his smarts positioned him as a great forward. So far this year he has failed somewhat to fire more-so due to the fact that the midfield has been unable to provide significant entries rather than being out of form.

What I am saying, and I don't think that it is that far fetched, is that that Walker can play his role really well, however once he is out of his comfort zone, the mids aren't firing and the pressure is on, he does not know how to position himself; how to take the 'pressure' mark (a mark that he would normally take easily). This is not so much his 'fault' as that of the coaching staff - the Adelaide midfield strategy has been picked apart during the off season; this is evident in the fact that Brisbane was able to outplay Adelaide throughout most of the match (as was Port by WCE - simply to state that I am not being 'unfair') in the midfield. If walker is not presented with the ball repeatedly, he is not a smart footballer. IE, while I would actually rate Walker as a better strait up CHF than Nick Riewoldt, the latter is a much smarter player across the field.

And I'll say it again as you seem to have severe comprehension issues!!!!

*Utter, utter bullshit!!!!*