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AA vs AK....I was pretty happy till the flop came Q J X....a bit nervous....turn X....feeling pretty safe....river 10....ouch.

Later on I get AA again, a guy raises, I re-raise, so he moved all in. I was expecting a similar scenario, me dominating an Ace or QQ/KK. What I didn't expect was 5 4 off suit. Nor did I expect to see a 5 on the flop, then another 5 on the turn.

I can't believe some people do that with their own money that they've earnt....confuses me personally.
 
I can handle it if the other guy should have his chips in there. AA vs KK is unavoidable, the chips will always end up in the pot.

Getting cracked by 5 4 though is just not on.
 
This is the type of quality I was up against on my final table tonight. And yet I couldn't beat it.

PRE-FLOP
ourasi94 folds, Cartman2122 folds, dens86 bets $3,000, grim79 calls $3,000, creysler1 folds, kikooBdo folds.

FLOP [board cards: 6C,KC,9C ]
dens86 bets $3,600, grim79 bets $10,800, dens86 calls $7,200.

TURN [board cards: 6C,KC,9C,TC ]
dens86 checks, grim79 checks.

RIVER [board cards: 6C,KC,9C,TC,4H ]
dens86 checks, grim79 bets $8,400, dens86 calls $8,400.

SHOWDOWN
grim79 shows [ JC,QC ]
dens86 mucks cards [ KS,TD ]
grim79 wins $46,200.

WTF????

4 left, I shove on the button with A9 s00ted....16% opr fish donkey muppet calls with A8.....turn......8!!!!!!!!!! F#### typical! :mad: :mad:
 

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Grrrrrrrr!!!!!

By the way this is Euro, not $$. I was doing fine until this hand came along.

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Limit Holdem $2(BB) Prima Game#2500150881

Hero ($80.75)
Arnaldo19 ($80.30)
Sokje ($118)
Rayon ($75.61)
Twistoffate ($280)
AKONNIE ($63.50)

Hero posts (SB) $1
Arnaldo19 posts (BB) $2

Dealt to Hero Kc Kd
fold, fold, fold,
AKONNIE calls $2
Hero raises to $4
Arnaldo19 raises to $6
AKONNIE calls $4
Hero raises to $8
Arnaldo19 calls $2
AKONNIE calls $2

FLOP ($24) 6c 3h Jd
Hero bets $2
Arnaldo19 raises to $4
AKONNIE calls $4
Hero raises to $6
Arnaldo19 raises to $8
AKONNIE calls $4
Hero calls $2

TURN ($48) 6c 3h Jd 6h
Hero bets $4
Arnaldo19 calls $4
AKONNIE raises to $8
Hero calls $4
Arnaldo19 calls $4

RIVER ($72) 6c 3h Jd 6h 4h
check, check,
AKONNIE bets $4
Hero calls $4
Arnaldo19 calls $4

AKONNIE shows 5d 6d
(Flop 25.2%, Turn 90.5%)

Hero shows Kc Kd
(Flop 55.3%, Turn 4.8%)

Arnaldo19 shows Jc As
(Flop 19.5%, Turn 4.8%)

AKONNIE wins $81
 
Cartman121 said:
This is the type of quality I was up against on my final table tonight. And yet I couldn't beat it.

PRE-FLOP
ourasi94 folds, Cartman2122 folds, dens86 bets $3,000, grim79 calls $3,000, creysler1 folds, kikooBdo folds.

FLOP [board cards: 6C,KC,9C ]
dens86 bets $3,600, grim79 bets $10,800, dens86 calls $7,200.

TURN [board cards: 6C,KC,9C,TC ]
dens86 checks, grim79 checks.

RIVER [board cards: 6C,KC,9C,TC,4H ]
dens86 checks, grim79 bets $8,400, dens86 calls $8,400.

SHOWDOWN
grim79 shows [ JC,QC ]
dens86 mucks cards [ KS,TD ]
grim79 wins $46,200.

WTF????
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I may be missing something, but the hand above looks pretty standard to me.
 
Virgil said:
Grim checking the turn is a bit WTF?
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Betting that turn is awful.

He's got a straight flush - dens either has a nutflush in which case grim is indifferent to bet/check, or he has a 4th-nut flush at best, in which case he's unlikely to pay off for much more than he did on the river any way.

The only questionable play is dens' flop call, but it's certainly correct against some opponents.
 
mdc said:
Betting that turn is awful.

He's got a straight flush - dens either has a nutflush in which case grim is indifferent to bet/check, or he has a 4th-nut flush at best, in which case he's unlikely to pay off for much more than he did on the river any way.

The only questionable play is dens' flop call, but it's certainly correct against some opponents.
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Sorry Virgil, but agree that betting that turn is awful.

The play I have a problem with is that there is no way grim is raising him on that flop and then betting the river without any form of club in his hand. What can dens beat after the hand has been played the way it did? What's grim representing? 95% of the time he's not going to be firing back a raise on that flop with complete air (especially seeing how he wasn't the pre-flop aggressor - just flat called pre-flop) he is more often than not representing a bigger king or a flush draw. Both of these hands would likely check behind on the turn, but a bare king is never going to value bet that river...clearly had to of been a flush. Well that's my view on it anyways. Should have probably posted the stack sizes as well. They weren't very deep. Dens lost about 3/4+ of his stack on this hand. The bet on the river not only screams value bet, but it was also for about 1/3 of dens remaining chips IIRC.
 
Cartman121 said:
Sorry Virgil, but agree that betting that turn is awful.

The play I have a problem with is that there is no way grim is raising him on that flop and then betting the river without any form of club in his hand. What can dens beat after the hand has been played the way it did? What's grim representing? 95% of the time he's not going to be firing back a raise on that flop with complete air (especially seeing how he wasn't the pre-flop aggressor - just flat called pre-flop) he is more often than not representing a bigger king or a flush draw. Both of these hands would likely check behind on the turn, but a bare king is never going to value bet that river...clearly had to of been a flush. Well that's my view on it anyways. Should have probably posted the stack sizes as well. They weren't very deep. Dens lost about 3/4+ of his stack on this hand. The bet on the river not only screams value bet, but it was also for about 1/3 of dens remaining chips IIRC.
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If this is true, then it's certainly a WTF hand both on the flop and the turn. And I'm happy to defer to you given it's a SNG/MTT and I haven't played one since about 2007. :D

But in cash games, a LAG could definitely re-raise the flop with any pair + no draw, as well as complete air. Also, I think a hand like KQ/KJ must bluff the river, since what was once possibly a good hand, now has very little shot of winning at showdown.
 
Paul` said:
Bad beats are just part of the game... everyone plays differently.

And if a bad beat hurts you financially then you are under bankrolled for the game. Move down some levels and take the good with the bad!.
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Dont agree with you there. Bankroll isnt he problem but hurting me finacially with bad beats is. You can grind away for an hour and then lose all you have built up and some by some donkey donk donk because their 33 is always going to beat your two pair on the river. Been playing cash and s&g poker for a couple of weeks with my cash table loses being funded by my s&g winnings. Only play small buy in s&g and much prefer to put my $5 on a double up table rather than a 2c/4c cash table.
Played for 2 hours last night no cash tables.
6th 50 person $2 s&g to finish just out of the money. 77 with a K7x flop got crushed by KQ with 3 players all in. Turn K, River K. OMFG.
1st 6 person $5 sit and go.
Won and lost a few double up s&g's. Couple of crushing bust outs on the bubble.
Finished $30+ up of the night. Cant see I could make that sort of profit on the cash tables so I'll stick with the s&g's for a while.
 
Sick of players going on how online games are rigged because of bad beats. Seems most tables have a player who loses chips to bad beats and then go on how badly rigged online games are.:thumbsd:
 
PokerStars Game #26295073262: Tournament #150281603, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/03/23 19:32:52 PT [2009/03/23 22:32:52 ET]
Table '150281603 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: glpclove2 (1390 in chips)
Seat 2: poY213 (1250 in chips)
Seat 3: zimbawersa (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: IronManLtd (1760 in chips)
Seat 5: 67BOLEK67 (1440 in chips)
Seat 7: Pimpb007 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DickRooz (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse (1380 in chips)
67BOLEK67: posts small blind 10
Pimpb007: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OZ Madhouse [Ad Jc]
DickRooz: folds
OZ Madhouse: raises 60 to 80
glpclove2: folds
poY213: calls 80
zimbawersa: folds
IronManLtd: folds
67BOLEK67: calls 70
Pimpb007: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Js Ts 8c]
67BOLEK67: checks
Pimpb007: checks
OZ Madhouse: bets 1300 and is all-in
poY213: calls 1170 and is all-in
67BOLEK67: folds
Pimpb007: calls 1300
*** TURN *** [Js Ts 8c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Js Ts 8c Qc] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pimpb007: shows [7s 5s] (high card Queen)
OZ Madhouse: shows [Ad Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
OZ Madhouse collected 260 from side pot
poY213: shows [5c 9c] (a flush, Queen high)
poY213 collected 3830 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4090 Main pot 3830. Side pot 260. | Rake 0
Board [Js Ts 8c Qc 6c]
Seat 1: glpclove2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: poY213 showed [5c 9c] and won (3830) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 3: zimbawersa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: IronManLtd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 67BOLEK67 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Pimpb007 (big blind) showed [7s 5s] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 8: DickRooz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse showed [Ad Jc] and won (260) with a pair of Jacks

What the **** do you have to do to get rid of these people?
 

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PokerStars Game #26296328954: Tournament #150279316, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/03/23 20:21:11 PT [2009/03/23 23:21:11 ET]
Table '150279316 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Idrn88 (5890 in chips)
Seat 2: OZ Madhouse (1510 in chips)
Seat 3: getchayasome (1790 in chips)
Seat 4: erkyil (3650 in chips)
Seat 5: V1TAMAN (5185 in chips)
Seat 6: WORLD A's (4230 in chips)
Seat 7: Rib239 (2185 in chips)
Seat 8: Phat Lich (2555 in chips)
Seat 9: jepordyjeff (4025 in chips)
Phat Lich: posts small blind 75
jepordyjeff: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OZ Madhouse [Ah Kd]
Idrn88: folds
OZ Madhouse: raises 300 to 450
getchayasome: folds
erkyil: folds
V1TAMAN: folds
WORLD A's: folds
Rib239: calls 450
Phat Lich: folds
jepordyjeff: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qh 7s]
jepordyjeff: checks
OZ Madhouse: checks
Rib239: bets 1735 and is all-in
jepordyjeff: folds
OZ Madhouse: calls 1060 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (675) returned to Rib239
*** TURN *** [Kc Qh 7s] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qh 7s Jd] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OZ Madhouse: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Rib239: shows [Jh Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Rib239 collected 3545 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3545 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qh 7s Jd 2s]
Seat 1: Idrn88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: OZ Madhouse showed [Ah Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: getchayasome folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: erkyil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: V1TAMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WORLD A's folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Rib239 (button) showed [Jh Jc] and won (3545) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: Phat Lich (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: jepordyjeff (big blind) folded on the Flop

You have got to be kidding me! Stupid ****ing pokerstars and having to wait forever for people to make a move then get shit like this all the time.
 
mdc said:
Betting that turn is awful.

He's got a straight flush - dens either has a nutflush in which case grim is indifferent to bet/check, or he has a 4th-nut flush at best, in which case he's unlikely to pay off for much more than he did on the river any way.

The only questionable play is dens' flop call, but it's certainly correct against some opponents.
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How likely is it that dens would have an 8 or lower though? If he had a low pair I don't there's much chance of a pay off anyway. There's only any real chance of making any money from this hand if he has the Ace or a set, and I wouldn't mind betting against either here.

Oh well, I'll just stick to my play money tables :).
 
Virgil said:
How likely is it that dens would have an 8 or lower though? If he had a low pair I don't there's much chance of a pay off anyway. There's only any real chance of making any money from this hand if he has the Ace or a set, and I wouldn't mind betting against either here.
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Betting the turn small against a set is certainly sensible, but a set would surely shove the flop? Might be different in tourneys though.
 
DockersMad said:
PokerStars Game #26295073262: Tournament #150281603, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/03/23 19:32:52 PT [2009/03/23 22:32:52 ET]
Table '150281603 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: glpclove2 (1390 in chips)
Seat 2: poY213 (1250 in chips)
Seat 3: zimbawersa (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: IronManLtd (1760 in chips)
Seat 5: 67BOLEK67 (1440 in chips)
Seat 7: Pimpb007 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DickRooz (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse (1380 in chips)
67BOLEK67: posts small blind 10
Pimpb007: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OZ Madhouse [Ad Jc]
DickRooz: folds
OZ Madhouse: raises 60 to 80
glpclove2: folds
poY213: calls 80
zimbawersa: folds
IronManLtd: folds
67BOLEK67: calls 70
Pimpb007: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Js Ts 8c]
67BOLEK67: checks
Pimpb007: checks
OZ Madhouse: bets 1300 and is all-in
poY213: calls 1170 and is all-in
67BOLEK67: folds
Pimpb007: calls 1300
*** TURN *** [Js Ts 8c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Js Ts 8c Qc] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pimpb007: shows [7s 5s] (high card Queen)
OZ Madhouse: shows [Ad Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
OZ Madhouse collected 260 from side pot
poY213: shows [5c 9c] (a flush, Queen high)
poY213 collected 3830 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4090 Main pot 3830. Side pot 260. | Rake 0
Board [Js Ts 8c Qc 6c]
Seat 1: glpclove2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: poY213 showed [5c 9c] and won (3830) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 3: zimbawersa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: IronManLtd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 67BOLEK67 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Pimpb007 (big blind) showed [7s 5s] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 8: DickRooz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse showed [Ad Jc] and won (260) with a pair of Jacks

What the **** do you have to do to get rid of these people?
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You cant!
Helps if you squish some ants:p
 

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DockersMad said:
Bring me up to speed Cartman, I'm obviously not in the loop on this one.
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There is a video on xtranormal.videos i think it's called. Where people make their own videos, was posted here on BF a few weeks ago. One of the lines was "I was so flipping angry I went outside and squished some flipping ants". Much funnier when you watch it, anyone got the link? I had it on my old laptop.
 
rogerdoger said:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090222182227485
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LOL. I've seen that before but I didn't remember the reference to ant squishing.

Next time I'm going to go outside and napalm a whole nest of meat ants with 2 stroke.

While I'm in the vent thread I may as well rant about people who think the time clock is their god given right to squander everybody else's time. Its not bloody compulsory to use up the whole clock. I hate it when you know somebody is going to fold, the time clock runs down and folds their hand, putting them into sitout, and then the next instant they're back. What's up with that? Have the balls to make a decision and don't let the time clock do it for you.
 
DockersMad said:
While I'm in the vent thread I may as well rant about people who think the time clock is their god given right to squander everybody else's time. Its not bloody compulsory to use up the whole clock. I hate it when you know somebody is going to fold, the time clock runs down and folds their hand, putting them into sitout, and then the next instant they're back. What's up with that? Have the balls to make a decision and don't let the time clock do it for you.
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Could be, and probably are, multi-tabling.

Only a person with the ethics of the resident clown on here would do that on purpose.
 
More of the same crap on PokerStars. Geez I'm having a shit of a run on that site.

This time I was playing a tourney and wasn't getting a lot of playable hands. I'm finally left with 9xBB and get A8 OTB. Only one caller before me, I push. Blinds fold and original caller risks nearly half his stack to challenge with 8Ts. (I fist pump so hard I nearly break my hand on my old CRT monitor). Flop AJQ, I think to myself "don't you ****ing dare put a king out there". I only had to wait for the turn. :mad:
 

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