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DockersMad said:
More of the same crap on PokerStars. Geez I'm having a shit of a run on that site.

This time I was playing a tourney and wasn't getting a lot of playable hands. I'm finally left with 9xBB and get A8 OTB. Only one caller before me, I push. Blinds fold and original caller risks nearly half his stack to challenge with 8Ts. (I fist pump so hard I nearly break my hand on my old CRT monitor). Flop AJQ, I think to myself "don't you ****ing dare put a king out there". I only had to wait for the turn. :mad:
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At least they made it quick :D.
 
DockersMad said:
More of the same crap on PokerStars. Geez I'm having a shit of a run on that site.

This time I was playing a tourney and wasn't getting a lot of playable hands. I'm finally left with 9xBB and get A8 OTB. Only one caller before me, I push. Blinds fold and original caller risks nearly half his stack to challenge with 8Ts. (I fist pump so hard I nearly break my hand on my old CRT monitor). Flop AJQ, I think to myself "don't you ****ing dare put a king out there". I only had to wait for the turn. :mad:
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There are some real w***ers online.:mad:
 
DockersMad said:
More of the same crap on PokerStars. Geez I'm having a shit of a run on that site.

This time I was playing a tourney and wasn't getting a lot of playable hands. I'm finally left with 9xBB and get A8 OTB. Only one caller before me, I push. Blinds fold and original caller risks nearly half his stack to challenge with 8Ts. (I fist pump so hard I nearly break my hand on my old CRT monitor). Flop AJQ, I think to myself "don't you ****ing dare put a king out there". I only had to wait for the turn. :mad:
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lol, I think some of the extranormal videos were made with you in mind lol
 
Cartman121 said:
At least they made it quick :D.
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Yeah, cheers for that, I feel so much better. :D:thumbsu:

red+black said:
lol, I think some of the extranormal videos were made with you in mind lol
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I had just watched one and was plagiarising a bit, but its like they've been in my head. I've been playing about 12 months and there is one hand that still haunts me. I wish I could find the history.

I raised 4xBB with A* (can't remember) suited with one caller. Pair of aces on the flop and a flush draw so I started feeding money into the pot in big chunks and was quickly called down. I got the nuts on the turn so the bets weren't small and just like in the video I'm thinking "what the **** are you doing I've got the nuts". That was until the river, when he rivered a straight flush. :mad:
 

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PokerStars Game #26344181718: Tournament #150654060, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/03/25 8:23:31 PT [2009/03/25 11:23:31 ET]
Table '150654060 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: C.Moneyloser (1965 in chips)
Seat 2: diogomad (3310 in chips)
Seat 3: jorom (1380 in chips)
Seat 4: THEKLEBE (1290 in chips)
Seat 5: KicsiShane (1105 in chips)
Seat 6: sucksational (1690 in chips)
Seat 7: bondo77 (1550 in chips)
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse (1210 in chips)
OZ Madhouse: posts small blind 25
C.Moneyloser: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OZ Madhouse [Kd Kh]
diogomad: calls 50
jorom: folds
THEKLEBE: folds
KicsiShane: folds
sucksational: folds
bondo77: raises 200 to 250
OZ Madhouse: raises 400 to 650
C.Moneyloser: raises 1315 to 1965 and is all-in
diogomad: folds
bondo77: folds
OZ Madhouse: calls 560 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (755) returned to C.Moneyloser
*** FLOP *** [3d 3c Qh]
*** TURN *** [3d 3c Qh] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [3d 3c Qh 7s] [8d]
OZ Madhouse said, "not again"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OZ Madhouse: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
C.Moneyloser: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
C.Moneyloser collected 2720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2720 | Rake 0
Board [3d 3c Qh 7s 8d]
Seat 1: C.Moneyloser (big blind) showed [Ad Ac] and won (2720) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: diogomad folded before Flop
Seat 3: jorom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: THEKLEBE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: KicsiShane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sucksational folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bondo77 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 9: OZ Madhouse (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes

FFS!

diogomad later claimed that he had laid down JJ. If that's the case I'm wondering what the hell bondo77 had.
 
Now I remember why I don't play cash games.

Just to give you a glimpse of what kind of rubbish this guy plays;

ANTES/BLINDS
10casaseca10 posts small blind ($0.50), lora2525 posts big blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
Tasso999 folds, Cartman2122 bets $2.50, gecko1977 x folds, 10casaseca10 calls $2, lora2525 calls $1.50.

FLOP [board cards: TD,QH,AH ]
10casaseca10 checks, lora2525 checks, Cartman2122 checks.

TURN [board cards: TD,QH,AH,5D ]
10casaseca10 checks, lora2525 checks, Cartman2122 checks.

RIVER [board cards: TD,QH,AH,5D,3S ]
10casaseca10 checks, lora2525 checks, Cartman2122 checks.

SHOWDOWN
10casaseca10 shows [ QS,6H ]
lora2525 mucks cards [ 7D,8D ]
Cartman2122 mucks cards [ 8H,8C ]
10casaseca10 wins $7.15.
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This guy was quite possibly the worst f### player I have ever seen. Have never seen anyone call and raise with such crap before. Was never ever going to lay down kings to him after what sort of crap he had been turning over. Against any sort of decent player I check behind on the turn 95% of the time (they would more than likey raise with an over-pair after the flop, but could easily check-call with a set). If they bet out on the river I flat call, if they check I value bet. Wish I had just played normally but this w***er was just soooo bad!

Seat 2: 10casaseca10 ($94.80 in chips)
Seat 3: lora2525 ($106.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Tasso999 ($158.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Cartman2122 ($109.45 in chips)
Seat 10: gecko1977 x ($68.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
gecko1977 x posts small blind ($0.50), 10casaseca10 posts big blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
lora2525 folds, Tasso999 calls $1, Cartman2122 bets $4.50, gecko1977 x folds, 10casaseca10 calls $3.50, Tasso999 calls $3.50.

FLOP [board cards: 6D,3C,2H ]
10casaseca10 checks, Tasso999 checks, Cartman2122 bets $8, 10casaseca10 calls $8, Tasso999 folds.

TURN [board cards: 6D,3C,2H,QH ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $20, 10casaseca10 bets $62, Cartman2122 bets $76.95 and is all-in, 10casaseca10 calls $20.30 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards: 6D,3C,2H,QH,4H ]


SHOWDOWN
Cartman2122 shows [ KD,KH ]
10casaseca10 shows [ 3H,6C ]
Cartman2122 wins $14.65, 10casaseca10 wins $191.60.
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Just the case queen. No biggie. Glad I played it softly, and thank god he didn't bet the turn.

ANTES/BLINDS
Tasso999 posts small blind ($0.50), Cartman2122 posts big blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
gecko1977 x folds, 10casaseca10 calls $1, lora2525 folds, Tasso999 calls $0.50, Cartman2122 checks.

FLOP [board cards: QH,AC,7H ]
Tasso999 checks, Cartman2122 checks, 10casaseca10 checks.

TURN [board cards: QH,AC,7H,QS ]
Tasso999 checks, Cartman2122 checks, 10casaseca10 checks.

RIVER [board cards: QH,AC,7H,QS,4C ]
Tasso999 checks, Cartman2122 bets $2.50, 10casaseca10 bets $10, Tasso999 folds, Cartman2122 calls $7.50.

SHOWDOWN
10casaseca10 shows [ QC,8C ]
Cartman2122 mucks cards [ 2H,QD ]
10casaseca10 wins $21.85.
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I think i'll stick to MTT's. :mad:
 
Wait. Finally got the litter bugger :D.
ANTES/BLINDS
nice2seeyou posts small blind ($0.50), 10casaseca10 posts big blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
lora2525 folds, Cartman2122 bets $2.50, gecko1977 x folds, nice2seeyou folds, 10casaseca10 calls $1.50.

FLOP [board cards: 2D,TH,3C ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $4, 10casaseca10 calls $4.

TURN [board cards: 2D,TH,3C,JD ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $8, 10casaseca10 calls $8.

RIVER [board cards: 2D,TH,3C,JD,3H ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $25, 10casaseca10 bets $75, Cartman2122 calls $42.20 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
10casaseca10 shows [ 4D,3S ]
Cartman2122 shows [ 2S,2C ]
10casaseca10 wins $7.80, Cartman2122 wins $160.90.
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34os is premium yes?
 

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Wait. Finally got the litter bugger :D.
ANTES/BLINDS
nice2seeyou posts small blind ($0.50), 10casaseca10 posts big blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
lora2525 folds, Cartman2122 bets $2.50, gecko1977 x folds, nice2seeyou folds, 10casaseca10 calls $1.50.

FLOP [board cards: 2D,TH,3C ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $4, 10casaseca10 calls $4.

TURN [board cards: 2D,TH,3C,JD ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $8, 10casaseca10 calls $8.

RIVER [board cards: 2D,TH,3C,JD,3H ]
10casaseca10 checks, Cartman2122 bets $25, 10casaseca10 bets $75, Cartman2122 calls $42.20 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
10casaseca10 shows [ 4D,3S ]
Cartman2122 shows [ 2S,2C ]
10casaseca10 wins $7.80, Cartman2122 wins $160.90.
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34os is premium yes?
 
Managed to get myself up $10 before this shit happened.

Seat 2: mike300z ($60 in chips)
Seat 3: lora2525 ($83.95 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerbiene87 ($225.70 in chips)
Seat 6: igel600 ($100.85 in chips)
Seat 9: Cartman2122 ($162.35 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
igel600 posts small blind ($0.50), Cartman2122 posts big blind ($1), mike300z posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
mike300z bets $3, lora2525 folds, pokerbiene87 calls $4, igel600 folds, Cartman2122 calls $3.

FLOP [board cards: 6S,7H,QS ]
Cartman2122 checks, mike300z bets $8, pokerbiene87 folds, Cartman2122 bets $158.35 and is all-in, mike300z calls $48 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: 6S,7H,QS,KD ]


RIVER [board cards: 6S,7H,QS,KD,JC ]

SHOWDOWN
Cartman2122 shows [ QC,AS ]
mike300z shows [ KC,QH ]
Cartman2122 wins $102.35, mike300z wins $121.50.
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Put him on exactly KQ. He had just sat down. Just so disgusting. Really don't like cash games online.
 
paxmaniac said:
I bet you wish you were playing a full stack..
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Missed that. Yeh should have re-bought. Annoying, but I've learnt for next time:). He ended up busting with a $200 stack, shoving on the turn with a flush draw :rolleyes:. Down about $300 last two days, not very good.
 
Cartman121 said:
Put him on exactly KQ. He had just sat down. Just so disgusting. Really don't like cash games online.
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How on earth can you put him on *exactly* KQ? You cannot possibly have enough information to do that. If he is a "normal" player he could have a massively wide range with an UTG post-raise and flop Cbet. Most players at 100NL are going to be Cbetting close to 100% flops.
 
paxmaniac said:
How on earth can you put him on *exactly* KQ? You cannot possibly have enough information to do that. If he is a "normal" player he could have a massively wide range with an UTG post-raise and flop Cbet. Most players at 100NL are going to be Cbetting close to 100% flops.
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That's the most standard hand to have in that spot. Call it more of a hunch, but before I shoved I said to myself "I know you have KQ". You don't have to believe me, but that's what I put him on. Pre-flop he's already put in the $1 blind for sitting down. Unlikely he will raise with 10-Q or worse, as I have AQ he's unlikely to have that. The most likely hands he's going to have are JQ and KQ (based on the post-flop bet). It's more likely that he's going to raise with KQ and limp with JQ.

I just really find it hard to imagine he's going to continuation bet that flop "close to 100% of the time" after being called by two opponents. If it was heads up I completely agree with you. But the fact that there was two callers he must have hit that flop in some form or another to continuation bet there. If he's completely missed i'd say he's going to check there 80% of the time. He's not going to continuation into 2 players on a flop with a flush draw, straight draw and a queen with complete air. That's just my personal take on it.

My vent is that I haven't won 1 coin flip yet tonight. Knocked out in 3 tournaments all to coin flips, and lost two in that cash game. :mad:
 

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I think you're right in saying that 3 players will definitely decrease cbet frequency, but a TAG's cbet range there is still something like 66-AA, QJ,KQ,AQ as well as spade draws, and air maybe 10-15%. A LAG would likely also cbet AK as well as pocket-pairs under a 6 a lot of the time, plus air maybe 25-30% of the time.

So in any case, it's pretty wide.

I would agree though that KQ is probably the most likely single hand, simply from a combinatorics standpoint.
 
I was not the one who has had a bad beat last night. It was my opponent.

It was on the Final Table and down to three players (including myself) with 5000/10000 blinds. I was big blind and only had 20000 left (not including the 10000 that was posted for big blind). The player on the button folded and the small blind (he had approx 60000) called 10000. For me I was simply betting that I had a better hand than he did and at that time of the tournament it is often heads up. So I went all in for 30000 and the small blind called.

I had A7 suited diamonds. He had 9K unsuited. It was somewhat a race. The flop came out 9,Q,T. My opponent hit the 9 on the board.
The turn came. 9,Q,T,[Q] The turn gave my opponent two pairs 9s & Qs. I was about to get out of my seat thinking that there is no way an A was coming out on the river, and I was right.


The river came. 9,Q,T,Q[T] The river card gave us both two pairs Ts & Qs but I had the A kicker so I won. It is about time some luck came my way. Anyway as I said it was not a bad beat to me but for my opponent.
 
lol, counterfeits are the best bad beats :D

saw a hand at Crown the other night. noob against young pro.

flop: KK3, two diamonds. noob checks, pro bets, noob calls.

turn: black 10. noob bets, pro raises, noob goes all-in for a little more, pro calls.

river: king.

pot ~$120. pro doesn't like the river, asks noob if he has the King, he says no.

young pro had 33 for a flopped book
I called noob's hand before he showed it. he had 10-2 dd lol.

one of the funniest hands i've seen.
 
Should of raised more on the turn in retrospect but still....

PokerStars Game #26524125494: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2009/03/30 8:08:51 WET [2009/03/30 3:08:51 ET]
Table 'Aisleen IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: iluvmylegs ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 2: CVLove1 ($5.52 in chips)
Seat 3: Charlie.005 ($11.10 in chips)
Seat 4: koreams ($5.23 in chips)
Seat 5: FJM-9 ($4.43 in chips)
Seat 6: Art_Jr_Q ($2.63 in chips)
Seat 7: DutchPower70 ($2.38 in chips)
Seat 8: jool in one ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Patrick6969 ($5.20 in chips)
jool in one: posts small blind $0.02
Patrick6969: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FJM-9 [Tc Jc]
iluvmylegs: folds
CVLove1: folds
Charlie.005: calls $0.05
koreams: folds
FJM-9: calls $0.05
Art_Jr_Q: raises $0.05 to $0.10
DutchPower70: folds
jool in one: folds
Patrick6969: calls $0.05
Charlie.005: calls $0.05
FJM-9: calls $0.05
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9d Kc]
Patrick6969: checks
Charlie.005: checks
FJM-9: checks
Art_Jr_Q: bets $0.10
Patrick6969: calls $0.10
Charlie.005: calls $0.10
FJM-9: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Qd 9d Kc] [5h]
Patrick6969: checks
Charlie.005: checks
FJM-9: checks
Art_Jr_Q: bets $0.15
Patrick6969: calls $0.15
Charlie.005: calls $0.15
FJM-9: raises $0.35 to $0.50
Art_Jr_Q: calls $0.35
Patrick6969: folds
Charlie.005: calls $0.35
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9d Kc 5h] [Jh]
Charlie.005: bets $0.50
FJM-9: calls $0.50
Art_Jr_Q: raises $1.43 to $1.93 and is all-in
Charlie.005: raises $1.43 to $3.36
FJM-9: calls $2.86
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Charlie.005: shows [7h Th] (a straight, Nine to King)
FJM-9: shows [Tc Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
Charlie.005 collected $1.36 from side pot
FJM-9 collected $1.35 from side pot
Art_Jr_Q: shows [As Ts] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Art_Jr_Q collected $7.86 from main pot
 
gizmo01 said:
Should of raised more on the turn in retrospect but still....
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Not only that, but you should have bet the flop. There was a bet and two callers before you. You should have taken control right there, especially with a flush draw on board. Raise to at least 0.60 IMO. At 0.02/0.05 you could probably even shove and get a call from top pair or a flush draw.
 

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