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rogerdoger said:
Hows the bankroll??
Looks like the building it up isnt working out too well.
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Took a massive hit yesterday. I lost 3 BI's straight away, then managed to get back to a profit, then lost 5BI's, then finish the day with a loss of just under 3BI's.

Just a crazy day, some bad beats, some bad play out of frustration.

EDIT: On reflection, I can't really complain with 3BI's. Thats just poker I guess. It just seems massive at the time when you don't have the proper roll.

fantastic_crows said:
You didn't ever think about folding there? After a shove and a call on a board like that you still thought you were ahead?
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The shove was from a short-stack, and his range to shove there would be pretty wide.

I shoved to get the other guy to fold, and if the short-stack had made his hand, then so be it.
 
No worries. My advice may not be perfect because you may have some specific reads I don't know about.

Hand 1 : Limping UTG is wrong. Just don't do it, even if you are re-raising because you miss out on so much value. I then like 3-betting to $7-9ish, In the end you got the money in as a huge favourite.

Hand 2 : Buy in full and retop. No limp r/r. I like 3 betting to 3.50+ here. SamofAces is getting over 10-1 to call here. Bet flop 3/4 pot. Bet Turn , Shove river.

Hand 3 : 3bet to 3.50+. Effective stats are 100BB+. Fold flop. Pellon is showing extreme strength and you are flipping at best vs an AhJx type hand. If you had the Kh then shove.

Hand 4 : Fold Pre. Call flop. After that turn getting it in is correct.

Hand 5 : You must of had a read but 67dd isn't playing favourite to anything.
 

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gizmo01 said:
No worries. My advice may not be perfect because you may have some specific reads I don't know about
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Any advice is appreciated thanks - I'm new to cash games, and need all the help I can get.

Hand 1 : Limping UTG is wrong. Just don't do it, even if you are re-raising because you miss out on so much value. I then like 3-betting to $7-9ish, In the end you got the money in as a huge favourite
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I think the main reason I done this was to just change tactic/the way I was playing them after a few loses.

Can't remember what this table was, but how about on a loose table? Even if you're confident of getting a raise, is limping UTG with them just a definite no play?

Hand 2 : Buy in full and retop. No limp r/r. I like 3 betting to 3.50+ here. SamofAces is getting over 10-1 to call here. Bet flop 3/4 pot. Bet Turn , Shove river
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Yeah I usually constantly retop - this was just a case of it getting delayed. Thanks for the good advice on this hand.

Hand 3 : 3bet to 3.50+. Effective stats are 100BB+. Fold flop. Pellon is showing extreme strength and you are flipping at best vs an AhJx type hand. If you had the Kh then shove
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Ok will make the 3 bet higher. I admit Pellon could be showing strength here, however if he had made a set/low flush, I would think a shove would be better play from him - he is inviting 2 players behind to call with the flush draw. As such, it looked more to me that he was drawing to or close to the nut flush.

Is there justification for my line of thinking, or is it completely wrong?

Hand 4 : Fold Pre. Call flop. After that turn getting it in is correct
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Agree with fold-pre, but I was using VPIP stats for many of my plays. I can't remember this guys, but I did make a few loose calls myself based on this, and that is probably why the hand played out as such.

Hand 5 : You must of had a read but 67dd isn't playing favourite to anything
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Again, he had a VPIP of around 80. I wasn't worried about anyone else calling, and thought it was a good spot for a steal as I was pretty confident that he didn't have anything to call my raise with.

Thanks :thumbsu:
 
Expertly played 10-10.





PokerStars Game #34596724058: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2009/10/28 3:51:18 ET

Table 'Bressole VIII' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Wootsickle ($56.30 in chips)
Seat 2: JBartel333 ($23 in chips)
Seat 3: ties69 ($15 in chips)
Seat 4: zkfk0313 ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: archange13 ($25.90 in chips)
Seat 6: theyista ($25.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Stardust2k6 ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: TaiJiang ($23.35 in chips)

archange13: posts small blind $0.10
theyista: posts big blind $0.25
ties69: posts big blind $0.25

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JBartel333 [Kc Kd]

Stardust2k6: raises $1 to $1.25
TaiJiang: folds
Wootsickle: folds
JBartel333: raises $3.75 to $5
ties69: folds
zkfk0313: folds
archange13: folds
theyista: folds
Stardust2k6: calls $3.75

*** FLOP *** [3h Qc 9c]

Stardust2k6: checks
JBartel333: bets $18 and is all-in
Stardust2k6: calls $18

*** TURN *** [3h Qc 9c] [8d]

*** RIVER *** [3h Qc 9c 8d] [Jc]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Stardust2k6: shows [Td Th] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
JBartel333: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Stardust2k6 collected $44.30 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46.60 | Rake $2.30
Board [3h Qc 9c 8d Jc]

Seat 1: Wootsickle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JBartel333 showed [Kc Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: ties69 folded before Flop
Seat 4: zkfk0313 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: archange13 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: theyista (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Stardust2k6 showed [Td Th] and won ($44.30) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 9: TaiJiang folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
ppg05 said:
Any advice is appreciated thanks - I'm new to cash games, and need all the help I can get.

is limping UTG with them just a definite no play?

Is there justification for my line of thinking, or is it completely wrong?

Again, he had a VPIP of around 80
Thanks :thumbsu:
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Same, I started like you this year but at nl2, now I'm shot taking at nl100.

There is no need especially at the micros where there are so many fish. Value betting is key.

I'd look at getting pokerstove to look at ranges. KK doesn't play well against his range and you are most likely behind.

If he has a VPIP of 80, I would be thinking value value value. Not trying to bluff catch him with SC.
 
Donk limping in EP with Aces (you couldn't possibly raise them in EP could you?) folded round to me in LP shove 11bb's with AQss on the bubble of $50er, donk then claiming he made a perfect trap for fish like me. :rolleyes:

2nd vent: chat blocked off after you're knocked out.

3rd vent: HoldemManager not working...again.
 
ppg05 said:
Further advice would be apprectiated.
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The 3bet size would have been ok with only the original raiser to contend with, but after a raise and two calls you should raise at least pot (3.5-4 total). Raising a bit more than pot is probably also ok, because someone with a decent hand may put you on a squeeze.

The main concern when threebetting a big pair is to prevent other players from set mining with correct implied odds. If I am one of the other players holding a hand like 44, I know that I only need to hit a set to win a likely $30 or more. In that situation, $2 more is an easy call. $3 more however is getting somewhat marginal.
 
After making the money in a $10 PLO tourney on PS, I make my stand against the big stack BULLY who seemed to be hitting all the bloody time.
All in Pre Flop my what I thought was a prmium hand v his x88x.
88 on the flop:eek:
 

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I have ****ing had it with this ****ing piece of shit game. In my last 3 hours of play, I've been reamed to the tune of approximately 200BB playing 2/4 and 3/6. Put that in context: 300BB used to be suggested as a suitable bankroll in limit for playing over the course of weeks or months. Not any more, and for good reason.

It's unbelievable. AA, KK, QQ all run down. Guys take 4 bets preflop with some piece of shit and then flop two pair. Runner runners, gutshots, one card flushes. You name it, I've been crushed by it. This guy takes the biscuit though. Bear in mind that these hands are all within the space of about 10 minutes:


Hand#2040012198000956 - Melbourne (Turbo, 6-max) 12198 -- $3/$6 FL Hold'em -- 2009/11/05 - 15:54:14
Seat 3: Bagb***3 ($291 in chips)
Seat 4: mugg***4 ($102 in chips)
Seat 5: quas***5 ($159 in chips)
Seat 6: sens***6 ($84.50 in chips)
Seat 7: saat***7 ($318.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($42 in chips) DEALER
Bagb***3: posts small blind $1.50
mugg***4: posts big blind $3
Dealt to Hero [Kd,Kc]
quas***5: raises to $6
sens***6: folds
saat***7: folds
Hero: raises to $9
Bagb***3: folds
mugg***4: folds
quas***5: raises to $12
Hero: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7c,Jd,8h]
quas***5: checks
Hero: bets $3
quas***5: raises to $6
Hero: raises to $9
quas***5: raises to $12
Hero: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ah]
quas***5: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [ 4h ]
quas***5: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
***SHOW DOWN***
quas***5: shows [7s 8s] (Two Pairs, Eights and Sevens )
Hero: mucks
quas***5: wins $73.50 with Two Pairs, Eights and Sevens
Hero: mucks [ Kd, Kc ] (Pair)


Hand#2040012198000965 - Melbourne (Turbo, 6-max) 12198 -- $3/$6 FL Hold'em -- 2009/11/05 - 15:59:07
Seat 3: Bagb***3 ($366 in chips)
Seat 4: mugg***4 ($121.50 in chips)
Seat 5: quas***5 ($184.50 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: sens***6 ($68 in chips)
Seat 7: saat***7 ($254.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($112.50 in chips)
sens***6: posts small blind $1.50
saat***7: posts big blind $3
Dealt to Hero [Ks,Kd]
Hero: raises to $6
Bagb***3: folds
mugg***4: folds
quas***5: calls $6
sens***6: folds
saat***7: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c,As,7s]
Hero: bets $3
quas***5: raises to $6
Hero: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3s]
Hero: checks
quas***5: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [ 5c ]
Hero: checks
quas***5: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
***SHOW DOWN***
quas***5: shows [7d 9h] (Two Pairs, Nines and Sevens )
Hero: mucks
quas***5: wins $50.50 with Two Pairs, Nines and Sevens
Hero: mucks [ Ks, Kd ] (Pair)


Hand#2040012198000982 - Melbourne (Turbo, 6-max) 12198 -- $3/$6 FL Hold'em -- 2009/11/05 - 16:08:20
Seat 3: ccru***3 ($30 in chips)
Seat 4: mugg***4 ($130.25 in chips)
Seat 5: quas***5 ($181 in chips)
Seat 6: sens***6 ($118 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: saat***7 ($401.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($21 in chips)
saat***7: posts small blind $1.50
Hero: posts big blind $3
Dealt to Hero [Qh,Qs]
mugg***4: raises to $6
quas***5: raises to $9
sens***6: folds
saat***7: folds
Hero: raises to $12
mugg***4: calls $6
quas***5: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Js,4d,5d]
Hero: bets $3
mugg***4: raises to $6
quas***5: raises to $9
Hero: is all in 6.0000
mugg***4: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3s]
mugg***4: checks
quas***5: checks
*** RIVER *** [ 9d ]
mugg***4: checks
quas***5: checks
***SHOW DOWN***
quas***5: shows [7d Td] (Flush, Ten high)
Hero: mucks
mugg***4: mucks
quas***5: wins $61.50 with Flush, Ten high
Hero: mucks [ Qh, Qs ] (Pair)
mugg***4: mucks [ 6c, 6s ] (Pair)

Another beautiful example of how I run:

Hand#2040012419000926 - Melbourne (Turbo, 6-max) 12419 -- $3/$6 FL Hold'em -- 2009/11/05 - 16:17:04
Seat 5: ccru***5 ($41 in chips)
Seat 6: mugg***6 ($326.49 in chips)
Seat 7: saat***7 ($314 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 9: cltr***9 ($282.72 in chips) DEALER
ccru***5: posts small blind $1.50
mugg***6: posts big blind $3
Dealt to Hero [Qs,7s]
saat***7: folds
Hero: raises to $6
cltr***9: folds
ccru***5: calls $4.50
mugg***6: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ah,Ts,4s]
ccru***5: checks
mugg***6: checks
Hero: bets $3
ccru***5: folds
mugg***6: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3h]
mugg***6: checks
Hero: bets $6
mugg***6: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [ 6h ]
mugg***6: checks
Hero: bets $6
mugg***6: calls $6
***SHOW DOWN***
Hero: shows [Qs 7s] (High Card, Ace )
mugg***6: shows [6s 8s] (Pair of Sixes )
mugg***6: wins $46 with Pair of Sixes

Seeya guys, I'm off to take up knitting.
 
Not as bad as Pax but bored so played 10 $30sh turbo SNG's, ran into Aces SIX times and the one time I managed to get them they couldn't hold against 10J all in pre. Sighhhhhh.
 
I have been 2-outed 12 times in the past 3 days. It's getting to a point where i'm just going to fold KK to any raise, ****ing ridiculous. :thumbsd:
 
Cartman121 said:
Not as bad as Pax but bored so played 10 $30sh turbo SNG's, ran into Aces SIX times and the one time I managed to get them they couldn't hold against 10J all in pre. Sighhhhhh.
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I know what you mean. Over the last 2 weeks, I've had a horrible run with Aces. I either keep running into them (especially with KK), they only are good for blinds, or they don't hold.

EDIT: Just looked at Holdem Manager, and over this time my Aces are winning like 75-80% of the time. K's have ran into Aces 3 times. No idea if I can check how many other times I have ran into Aces with various hands.

I'm surprised by the numbers. It's funny how it can seem so much worse, yet it is just standard. Probably because the losses are happening with some of the bigger pots.
 
ppg05 said:
I know what you mean. Over the last 2 weeks, I've had a horrible run with Aces. I either keep running into them (especially with KK), they only are good for blinds, or they don't hold.

EDIT: Just looked at Holdem Manager, and over this time my Aces are winning like 75-80% of the time. K's have ran into Aces 3 times. No idea if I can check how many other times I have ran into Aces with various hands.

I'm surprised by the numbers. It's funny how it can seem so much worse, yet it is just standard. Probably because the losses are happening with some of the bigger pots.
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Looking through hold em manager always makes my aces run better.
 

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Vent: HUD wasn't working, tried a few things to fix it...now it's not working at all...again. Had enough of this thing.
 
Worth a vent...

PokerStars Game #34993112938: Tournament #210082007, $20.00+$1.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/11/06 10:39:38 ET
Table '210082007 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 1: 99%chimp (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: DiTaker (1410 in chips)
Seat 3: davekebb (3220 in chips)
Seat 4: G.F.V (1450 in chips)
Seat 5: vegassteve7 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: kuhawk84 (90 in chips)
Seat 7: ppg882005 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: sefo1 (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: littlebig304 (1540 in chips)
Seat 10: PsihoDelija (1370 in chips)
99%chimp: posts small blind 10
DiTaker: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ppg882005 [Ks Kc]
davekebb: folds
G.F.V: folds
vegassteve7: folds
kuhawk84: calls 20
ppg882005: raises 60 to 80
sefo1: raises 1400 to 1480 and is all-in
littlebig304: folds
PsihoDelija: folds
99%chimp: folds
DiTaker: folds
kuhawk84: calls 70 and is all-in
ppg882005: calls 1400 and is all-in
vegassteve7 said, "Sefo your a monkey"
*** FLOP *** [Jh Jd 9c]
*** TURN *** [Jh Jd 9c] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Jd 9c Ad] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ppg882005: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
sefo1: shows [7c Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
sefo1 collected 2780 from side pot
kuhawk84: shows [Ac 2h] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
sefo1 collected 300 from main pot
vegassteve7 said, "hes an idiot"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3080 Main pot 300. Side pot 2780. | Rake 0
Board [Jh Jd 9c Ad Qd]
Seat 1: 99%chimp (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: DiTaker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: davekebb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: G.F.V folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vegassteve7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kuhawk84 showed [Ac 2h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 7: ppg882005 showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 8: sefo1 showed [7c Js] and won (3080) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 9: littlebig304 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: PsihoDelija (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
Bubble had just busted, was 3rd before this hand. Obviously not a beat but just lol bad from him which tilted me. In $50 chinese daily by the way.
Seat 1: jagtstuen (23,532 in chips)
Seat 2: ShefWed (30,047 in chips)
Seat 3: kinginuma (5,700 in chips)
Seat 5: remsguignol (5,045 in chips)
Seat 6: andrey_ch123 (24,505 in chips)
Seat 8: Altero1 (16,290 in chips)
Seat 9: yaela1 (10,010 in chips)
Seat 10: king_cartman (35,577 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
yaela1 posts ante (50), king_cartman posts ante (50), jagtstuen posts ante (50), ShefWed posts ante (50), kinginuma posts ante (50), remsguignol posts ante (50), andrey_ch123 posts ante (50), Altero1 posts ante (50), yaela1 posts blind (250), king_cartman posts blind (500).

PRE-FLOP
jagtstuen folds, ShefWed folds, kinginuma folds, remsguignol folds, andrey_ch123 folds, Altero1 bets 16,240 and is all-in, yaela1 folds, king_cartman calls 16,240.

FLOP [board cards: 7D,QD,9D ]


TURN [board cards: 7D,QD,9D,8C ]


RIVER [board cards: 7D,QD,9D,8C,5C ]


SHOWDOWN
Altero1 shows [ JC,QC ]
king_cartman shows [ TS,TC ]
Altero1 wins 33,130.
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Sitting 8/24 now about 20mins later (took me a while to post this).
 
Bah out in 10th, got right back in it and was sitting 3rd with 11 left but made some bad bluffs/bad timing and lost majority of my stack before FT. CL had raised last 5 hands, shove over the top with 78dd for about 12bb's and he woke up with Kings. Cashed for a measly $200 for 5 hours work, compared with $2.7k for 1st...that's like 67 slabs! :(
 

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