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GSOP Event 8, pretty standard for me in a big event. Would have been 25th/1806/2054. Sighhhhhhhhhh.
Seat 1: schillerfoto (4,805 in chips)
Seat 2: watermelon32 (7,473 in chips)
Seat 3: TILT4U (4,805 in chips)
Seat 4: djfrantic1 (9,450 in chips)
Seat 5: kingespresso (3,685 in chips)
Seat 6: king_cartman (5,790 in chips)
Seat 7: semiro70 (5,375 in chips)
Seat 8: justcrushing (5,230 in chips)
Seat 9: bilis1973 (3,882 in chips)
Seat 10: olive125 (4,325 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
bilis1973 posts small blind (25), olive125 posts big blind (50), DEALING_HOLE_CARDS
.

PRE-FLOP
schillerfoto folds, watermelon32 folds, TILT4U folds, djfrantic1 folds, kingespresso raises to 125, king_cartman raises to 375, semiro70 folds, justcrushing folds, bilis1973 calls 375, olive125 folds, kingespresso calls 375.

FLOP [board cards: 5S,9C,TH ]
DEALING_FLOP
, bilis1973 bets 3,507 and is all-in, kingespresso calls 3,310 and is all-in, king_cartman calls 3,507.

TURN [board cards: 5S,9C,TH,8C ]
DEALING_TURN
.

RIVER [board cards: 5S,9C,TH,8C,KH ]
DEALING_RIVER
.

SHOWDOWN
bilis1973 shows [ JC,JS ]
kingespresso shows [ JD,QS ]
king_cartman shows [ AC,AS ]
kingespresso wins 11,105, king_cartman wins 394.
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Edit: Weeeee out we go!
Seat 1: schillerfoto (4,730 in chips)
Seat 2: watermelon32 (8,093 in chips)
Seat 3: TILT4U (4,265 in chips)
Seat 4: djfrantic1 (9,280 in chips)
Seat 5: kingespresso (10,935 in chips)
Seat 6: king_cartman (2,082 in chips)
Seat 7: semiro70 (6,395 in chips)
Seat 8: justcrushing (5,060 in chips)
Seat 9: Stobek (2,680 in chips)
Seat 10: olive125 (4,300 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
olive125 posts small blind (40), schillerfoto posts big blind (80), DEALING_HOLE_CARDS
.

PRE-FLOP
watermelon32 folds, TILT4U folds, djfrantic1 raises to 240, kingespresso folds, king_cartman raises to 680, semiro70 folds, justcrushing folds, Stobek folds, olive125 folds, schillerfoto folds, djfrantic1 raises to 9,280 and is all-in, king_cartman calls 2,082 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards: TH,QS,4D ]
DEALING_FLOP
.

TURN [board cards: TH,QS,4D,3C ]
DEALING_TURN
.

RIVER [board cards: TH,QS,4D,3C,QD ]
DEALING_RIVER
.

SHOWDOWN
djfrantic1 shows [ JD,JH ]
king_cartman shows [ AD,KS ]
djfrantic1 wins 4,284.
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Probably not standard... I was away from the computer for while and only just missed this hand, so I had to watch the drama unfold...

PokerStars Game #39458135031: Tournament #240347481, $20+$2 USD Hold'em Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2010/02/09 11:29:09 AWST [2010/02/08 22:29:09 ET]
Table '240347481 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: #1 Man U fan (1425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: tophand2010 (1510 in chips)
Seat 3: rbuhro2 (190 in chips)
Seat 4: neverfall911 (1045 in chips)
Seat 7: frogy77 (1105 in chips)
Seat 9: Hustlaaaaaa (5195 in chips)
rbuhro2: posts small blind 15
neverfall911: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to #1 Man U fan [Jh Jc]
frogy77: raises 30 to 60
Hustlaaaaaa: folds
#1 Man U fan: folds
tophand2010: folds
rbuhro2: folds
neverfall911: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [Js Jd Kd]
neverfall911: checks
frogy77: bets 30
neverfall911: calls 30
*** TURN *** [Js Jd Kd] [6c]
#1 Man U fan has returned
neverfall911: checks
frogy77: bets 60
neverfall911: calls 60
*** RIVER *** [Js Jd Kd 6c] [3d]
neverfall911: checks
frogy77: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
neverfall911: shows [5s 5d] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
frogy77: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
frogy77 collected 315 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 315 | Rake 0
Board [Js Jd Kd 6c 3d]
Seat 1: #1 Man U fan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tophand2010 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rbuhro2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: neverfall911 (big blind) showed [5s 5d] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fives
Seat 7: frogy77 showed [Ts Th] and won (315) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 9: Hustlaaaaaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
Re: Grrrrrrrr!!!!!

Playing for 4 and a half hours to get into the top 14, shoving 5/5 from the button after a hijack raise to get insta-called by 7/6o and lose.

FML.
 
Not really a vent, per se. Just a comment on the insanity of variance at shorthanded limit. In the last 48 hours, I lost and won (in that order thankfully) around $1k playing mainly 3/6 and a bit of 5/10. That's nearly 150 big bets each way. I can see why mdc doesn't play this game any more (and why 300BB is a woefully inadequate bankroll for multitabling shordhanded).
 

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Running ridiculously bad lately, has to be close to my worst run to date. In the money 2 out of my last 40 MTT's, and those 2 cashes were just a $5 rebuy where I won a $200 ticket, and effectively a min-cash 7th/109 in a $50er for $250. Down around $2k and counting.
 
And this is why you wonder why you grind for 2-3 hours to get yourself up a few buy ins. A little history - a few hands prior to this I had raised pre-flop with 77 only for this guy to call and then shove $12 all in (to a pot of about $0.80) on a flop of JT2. I obviously folded and here is my chance to stack him. What flipping bull****.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (MP) ($11.42)
Hero (CO) ($26.07)
Btn (Button) ($20.96)
SB (SB) ($10)
BB (BB) ($12.75)
UTG (UTG) ($8.57)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, K
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, Btn calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.65, Hero raises to $5.40, 1 fold, BB raises to $12.75 (All-In), Hero calls $7.35

Flop: ($25.95) 8
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, 3
spade.gif
, 10
heart.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($25.95) 7
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($25.95) 7
club.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $25.95 | Rake: $1.73

Results:
BB had 7
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, 3
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(full house, sevens over threes).
Hero had K
club.gif
, K
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(two pair, Kings and sevens).
Outcome: BB won $24.22
 
**** me sometimes poker gives me the shits. Grinding away and doing pretty well with some nice fish at the table, when a new player starts overbetting pots etc and so obvious he is bluffing big. Caught him out once and added a nice chunk to my stack and he starts the abuse. Shortly after I have top pair and a straight draw on the flop. He moves all in and I call. He has nothing but a flush draw and nails it on the river for about 2/3 my stack. Of course the abuse increases. A few hands later I have AA and smooth call, then bait him into coming over the top all in with 47os. Flop is J77 and nicely rounded off with a 4 on the river. :mad: Shit a brick.
 
$20,000/$40,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 22 03 2010 17:43:00
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: filly32 ( $350,786 )
Seat 2: kovy6 ( $165,858 )
Seat 3: MACARI3 ( $591,248 )
Seat 4: ElisaA ( $167,746 )
Seat 5: quincy499 ( $613,609 )
Seat 6: kajm1 ( $738,903 )
Seat 9: olivier217 ( $322,124 )
Seat 10: OZMadhouse ( $95,726 )
quincy499 posts small blind [$20,000]
kajm1 posts big blind [$40,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to OZMadhouse [ Ts, Qd ]
olivier217 calls [$40,000]
OZMadhouse raises [$95,726]
filly32 folds
kovy6 folds
MACARI3 folds
ElisaA folds
quincy499 folds
kajm1 folds
olivier217 calls [$55,726]
** Dealing flop ** [ 4c, Jc, Kd ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing river ** [ 7s ]
** Summary **
olivier217 shows [ 7c, 6h ]
OZMadhouse shows [ Ts, Qd ]
olivier217 collected [ $251,452 ]

My mood is no better. :mad:

UTG call with 67os? wtf?
 
Never posted in this forum...but dude. Really?
 
The latest bit of misery: 0.5/1 PLO, $160 stack. I pick up JT87 double suited and raise from the cutoff. BB reraises, I call. Flop comes J75 rainbow. Top two, dry board, villain likely has an overpair so I checkraise pot. He shoves. I snap call, because really, what can he have? Oh wait. KJ97. Board goes running queens to hand him the scoop.

Pretty standard I suppose, except that I am now $5k in the hole in the space of about 45 days and thinking very seriously about retirement.
 

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paxmaniac said:
The latest bit of misery: 0.5/1 PLO, $160 stack. I pick up JT87 double suited and raise from the cutoff. BB reraises, I call. Flop comes J75 rainbow. Top two, dry board, villain likely has an overpair so I checkraise pot. He shoves. I snap call, because really, what can he have? Oh wait. KJ97. Board goes running queens to hand him the scoop.

Pretty standard I suppose, except that I am now $5k in the hole in the space of about 45 days and thinking very seriously about retirement.
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Ouch.

A break is probably not the worst idea. PLO requires a lot of heart, and when you're running bad, that tends to disappear.

I'm still on my "break" after that -35 BI run I had last year. :o
 
PokerStars Game #42967025611: Tournament #307011152, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/04/21 11:49:20 AWST [2010/04/20 23:49:20 ET]
Table '307011152 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BoxerDaddy27 (6840 in chips)
Seat 2: starF1 (3195 in chips)
Seat 3: OZ Madhouse (2455 in chips)
Seat 4: 1953steve (1310 in chips)
Seat 5: BET_THA_FARM (1305 in chips)
Seat 6: sparkym63 (2550 in chips)
Seat 7: BTK_Who (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: genebo (3900 in chips)
Seat 9: Cocky775 (1150 in chips)
OZ Madhouse: posts small blind 50
1953steve: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OZ Madhouse [Jd Jc]
BET_THA_FARM: calls 100
sparkym63: calls 100
BTK_Who has timed out
BTK_Who: folds
BTK_Who is sitting out
genebo: calls 100
starF1 said, "ill die if i saty here more one minute with this slow playing donk's"
Cocky775: folds
BoxerDaddy27: folds
BTK_Who has returned
starF1 said, "ill just go all on always"
starF1: raises 3095 to 3195 and is all-in
OZ Madhouse: calls 2405 and is all-in
1953steve: folds
BET_THA_FARM: folds
sparkym63: folds
genebo: folds
Uncalled bet (740) returned to starF1
*** FLOP *** [4d Kc Tc]
*** TURN *** [4d Kc Tc] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [4d Kc Tc Qs] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OZ Madhouse: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
starF1: shows [Th 7s] (three of a kind, Tens)
starF1 collected 5310 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5310 | Rake 0
Board [4d Kc Tc Qs Ts]
Seat 1: BoxerDaddy27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: starF1 (button) showed [Th 7s] and won (5310) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: OZ Madhouse (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 4: 1953steve (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BET_THA_FARM folded before Flop
Seat 6: sparkym63 folded before Flop
Seat 7: BTK_Who folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: genebo folded before Flop
Seat 9: Cocky775 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

**** me! A guy frustrated to blow up point by slow play and I was sitting pretty ready to cash in. :thumbsd:

Running the clock down to increase your standing shits me sometimes too, is there a poker term for that? This was particulalrly annoying because they were at it from hand 1. I usually don't mind so much near the bubble, because its understandable, but some idiots continue running the clock down on the final table. :rolleyes:
 

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**** me! Standard poker logic tells you that if you have second pair on the flop and top pair pairs the board on the turn, there is less chance that somebody called the flop with top pair. Seems right doesn't it? Even the commentators say so. So how the **** do you lose 8 ****ing times out of 8 in a day when faced with that same situation?

*rant escalation* While posting this I'm in the Omaha section of a horse tournament at the tail end and any decision costs big time. One guy obviously has a flush and I have a set with the river to come so I hang on to my nuts and call his bet with one other also in the pot. The board pairs to give me a full house and the betting goes around bet, raise, raise, raise etc building the pot to 81K. I start rubbing my hands together and watch in horror as the flush guy collects it all with a straight flush. **** a duck.
 
^^^^^

We can't predict the future from the past :) Theoretically, you could lose every session you play for the rest of the year ( though the odds would be very remote ).

Although it's not nearly as bad as some of the bad beats/runs stories in here, I got 4 outered by the same guy three times in 2 hours. Pots worth 6k, 3k and 3.5k respectively.

First hand A Q. Flop comes K J 10. Money gets in on the flop, villain has K 10 and hits book on river.

Second hand K 9. Flop comes Q 10 J. Money goes in on the flop again. Villain has Q J and hits book on turn.

Third hand 10 10 Flop comes 10 A Q. Money goes in on the turn Villain has A Q and hits Q on the river to give him Queens full.

That had never happened to me before and has never happened to me since. I hope it's one of those once in a lifetime things :(

Though I have been on runs online where I have ran 50 + buy ins below EV over a smallish 50k hand sample. That happened a couple of times. Been 20 or 30 buys ins below EV too many times to remember. I once calculated my EV odds from a live session of 10/20 and ran 16k below EV over 200 odd hands, though only lost 7k for the session. Poker is a harsh mistress sometimes.

I have seen a couple of disturbing graphs from mid and high stakes players on 2+2 where they run 100 + buy ins below ev over 400k to 500k hands. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of $$, sometimes millions of $$ below EV. Here are a couple of links below to make ya all feel better.

This is the sickest graph I have ever seen. 329 buy ins below ev over 1.1 million hands at 2/4 PLO.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47/science-math-philosophy/325-bi-below-ev-i-need-your-math-skills-856853/

112 buy ins below ev.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/112-buyins-under-ev-778396/

Over 100 buy ins below ev.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ance/runing-over-100-buyins-below-ev-1112036/

This is one of the sickest graphs I have ever seen. 60 buy ins below EV in under 30k hands. I mean, how the **** does that happen :confused:. P.S Check out Donkey Kings graph over a really small sample in the post below the OP. Nearly 10k bbs ( 100 buy ins ) below ev in a handful of sessions ( 13k hands ). That's ****ing brutal.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3.../60-buyins-below-ev-since-last-monday-701564/

And here is a variance simulator tool that is a nifty little piece of equipment you can have fun with.

http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/

The point I'm trying to make. Variance is a ****.
 
Bumping for today...

Some of the gold from the Burswood $440 Triple Chance today.

1) Lynn, an older player who is aggressive but just plays pretty bad for the most part, makes it 800 at 100/200 with 2.8k back. I make it 2k, she shoves I call. She has ATo, I have KK and lose. A few hands later she gets 30bb in with A5o pre and beats someone elses KK.

2) Same villian. She opens 2.5x from the button I call with 86s from the BB. Flop 663 with two spades. I check, she bets 4.5x, I shove 23x, she calls and wins with 55

Despite this, I work really hard and end up 4 handed (paying 3) with basically the equal chiplead with 2 other people, one of whom is Arthur who is an old 5/5 player and Aleks Lackovic. We all have around 110k with the shortie having 60k

I open the button with AQs to 9k at 2k/4k and get called by Arthur in the small and Lackovic in the big. Flop A64 Arthur just donks 30k because he is horrible at poker, Lackovic folds, I shove because Arthur always has between A7-AT and is calling, he calls with A9, river 9 good ****ing game.

Im actually pretty pissed because I played pretty good and didnt make a single mistake today which is unusual for me since I usually butcher a few hands badly.
 
Playing a $1.50 MTT after folding 3 hands in a row that would have won all three hands including two full houses I'm dealt A:spades:K:spades: I raise 5x big blind and get re-raised all in.
I figure I'm behind and up against AA or KK but I call anyway (this guy had been calling everyone donks and playing loose) he shows 4:diamonds: 6:diamonds: suited. He hits two pair and I'm out...:mad:
 

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