The Vent Thread

[Football Pope]

Is there room on the mantlepiece for a Gold Logie alongside the two premiership medals, two Brownlows and the Australian of the Year award?

The mantle is expansive with COLA ........."things are better with .... COLA"

 

[Dom PC]

I find Adcock a very frustrating player. Always goes for the long bomb/get it out of here kick or the 45 meter 50/50 pass. Also, when he takes the kick outs and he taps to gain a few meters on the kick, he waits so long to kick the ball that the pressuring player trying to charge down the kick, actually influences where he is going to kick it and results in a less effective clearance kick (i.e. the ball doesn't make it to our ruckman).

Raines is a terrible kick. Nuff said.

I would love to ask Leppa why the team was consistently trying to switch the play in the NAB cup and first two round of this year, whereas recently the team has stopped trying so often. When we do try and do it, it is very slow ball movement, I actually think it is a player issue that is slowing it up (i.e. players not working hard enough or knowing when to get moving into space). Swans switched it so effectively compared to us.

 

[Mr Ripper]

The Zorko holding the ball decision might just have been the straw that broke this camel's back.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The Zorko holding the ball decision might just have been the straw that broke this camel's back.

SHOGGIN Mr Rip. It was absolutely SHOGGIN!

 

[Football Pope]

Leppa strikes me as the smiling assassin. Giving players a fair go this season before cleaning out and trading at seasons end. Seems way too calm for a Coach that is prepared to sit back and tolerate that type of performance.

Yep...Or is that KARMA? ....loving the early re-signing of those players we want.....

 

[Hollow Knight]

I would love to ask Leppa why the team was consistently trying to switch the play in the NAB cup and first two round of this year, whereas recently the team has stopped trying so often. When we do try and do it, it is very slow ball movement, I actually think it is a player issue that is slowing it up (i.e. players not working hard enough or knowing when to get moving into space). Swans switched it so effectively compared to us.

You just answered your own question. The switch is perfectly valid but is contingent on the players busting their asses and doing the running required, as well as the guy with the ball having the initiative to reward the player who presents the option.

Instead of asking Leppa why we still do it, I'd be much more worried if Leppa abandoned parts of his gameplan on account of the players not currently meeting their end of the bargain (whether that is fitness or effort).

 

[Dom PC]

You just answered your own question. The switch is perfectly valid but is contingent on the players busting their asses and doing the running required, as well as the guy with the ball having the initiative to reward the player who presents the option.

Instead of asking Leppa why we still do it, I'd be much more worried if Leppa abandoned parts of his gameplan on account of the players not currently meeting their end of the bargain (whether that is fitness or effort).

Sorry if you misinterpreted my post - I am all for the switch, I just want to know if he has instructed the players to switch less. Because I think we are doing fractionally too much of the down the side line kicks. Again I'll probably end in answering my own question by saying this - I'd have a guess that he hasn't and it is a confidence thing.

 

[James North]

Sorry if you misinterpreted my post - I am all for the switch, I just want to know if he has instructed the players to switch less. Because I think we are doing fractionally too much of the down the side line kicks. Again I'll probably end in answering my own question by saying this - I'd have a guess that he hasn't and it is a confidence thing.

I see what you're saying Dom PC ... it looks like we're not switching as much.

I have a feeling it's because we're not making the space that we could in the NAB Cup (better opposition) and also because I don't think we truly know what we're doing yet. It appears that some of the guys are reverting to the quick handball up the guts thing ... which I'm pretty sure is part of Leppa's ideas ... but maybe more something you'd see from our team last year?

 

[CarterS]

We have the worst list in the league by some margin

 

[jackess]

We have the worst list in the league by some margin

Our list isn't that bad especially in comparison with Melbourne and St Kilda. They way they're playing on the other hand is pathetic.

 

[Hollow Knight]

We have the worst list in the league by some margin

Nah, St Kilda's list is way more precarious than ours.. God help them when they lose Riewoldt, Hayes, Dempster and Montagna in the next few years.

 

[a mayes ing]

Noone was tackling. Adcock had 1 tackle, Paps 1 tackle, redden 2 tackles, taylor, cutler, green, mcguane, merret and rains 0 tackles.

Rocky had 10 tackles. Even robbo had 7

 

[Dom PC]

I see what you're saying Dom PC ... it looks like we're not switching as much.

I have a feeling it's because we're not making the space that we could in the NAB Cup (better opposition) and also because I don't think we truly know what we're doing yet. It appears that some of the guys are reverting to the quick handball up the guts thing ... which I'm pretty sure is part of Leppa's ideas ... but maybe more something you'd see from our team last year?

Yeh, I do see that - perhaps you have just solved why our veteran defenders appear all at sea? As they have had the Voss game plan drilled in for the past 5 years and they are being the last ones to embrace it?

Also, thinking back to last year (or maybe it was 2012) the Western Bulldogs were all at sea as well with their game plan and then it clicked for their starting 22 and they went on a mini hot streak of wins, so I think we are where they were (just before the hot streak). I am certainly 100% behind Leppa though.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I don't understand how we've gone from a team challenging in the funK round last year to a team that can barely challenge a VFL team. I don't get it.

 

[Morgs_]

I don't understand how we've gone from a team challenging in the funK round last year to a team that can barely challenge a VFL team. I don't get it.

Injuries, inexperience, new game plan, new coach and good teams. Take your pick.


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[Bucking Beads]

Luke McGuane.... FFS boy has he been stinking it up.

 

[PTizzle]

Nah, St Kilda's list is way more precarious than ours.. God help them when they lose Riewoldt, Hayes, Dempster and Montagna in the next few years.

I'd much rather have ours than Carlton too.

As for a vent, I'm just tired of getting pumped up to watch the boys all week and then being deflated in the first 10 minutes. It's my own fault but it's really not fun!

 

[MacMum]

We have the worst list in the league by some margin

We have a very good list imo......it was starting to come together well last year, then things happened and the rest is history.....back to square one.

 

[Dylan12]

Watched the game again this morning and one area of our game that is predictable, not to mention deplorable is our kick outs from an opposition behind. It pretty much goes to the same spot every time. It has done all year too and the biggest culprit is our captain, Jed Adcock. No doubt it is a coaching directive, but to me, it is the very definition of insanity. Mix it up FFS.

 

[James North]

Watched the game again this morning and one area of our game that is predictable, not to mention deplorable is our kick outs from an opposition behind. It pretty much goes to the same spot every time. It has done all year too and the biggest culprit is our captain, Jed Adcock. No doubt it is a coaching directive, but to me, it is the very definition of insanity. Mix it up FFS.

Chipping to himself and then kicking towards the boundary outside 50 to a contest involving our current ruck?

Never seen it.

 

[jackess]

Watched the game again this morning and one area of our game that is predictable, not to mention deplorable is our kick outs from an opposition behind. It pretty much goes to the same spot every time. It has done all year too and the biggest culprit is our captain, Jed Adcock. No doubt it is a coaching directive, but to me, it is the very definition of insanity. Mix it up FFS.

What's best is when its become so predictable that our opponent gets a couple of extras to where we kick in so we end up kicking it to an area of the ground where we are out numbered.

I watch in jealousy when I see other teams have players leading to the ball carrier. We often have a crack at some of our guys for bombing it long to packs but I think equal part of the blame or more have to be put on those up the ground for not providing an option. It's also a symptom of how poorly disciplined our team is and how they don't do the team things.

 

[Football Pope]

Chipping to himself and then kicking towards the boundary outside 50 to a contest involving our current ruck?

Never seen it.

Nah me either.....Although fast becoming a favourite of mine, before kicking to himself, is the old wait till everyone, including opposition players, assemble in their respective positions..Sportsmanship personified.. stuff the element of surprise!

 

[Scubaveg]

It will be awesome to see what figures our memberships and crowds will be like next year.

May struggle to hit 15k for both.

What is quite scary is that taking into account memberships there would be very few non member people turning up to games. That's an indictment.


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[Dylan12]

Nah me either.....Although fast becoming a favourite of mine, before kicking to himself, is the old wait till everyone, including opposition players, assemble in their respective positions..Sportsmanship personified.. stuff the element of surprise!

I guess it probably wouldn't be so bad if contested marking was a strength of ours or we had Jeremy Howe in our side and considering we don't, one can only question the mentality of why we do it.

Another incident which I think typifies many issues with the way we play is that late in the third quarter, Cutler was in the central corridor in our defensive 50. Taylor leads hard in space in the middle of the ground. He is ignored. Another Lions player, also in space behind a Swans that then went to track Taylor is in space and is pretty much in the centre of the ground and is free. Yep, he too is ignored. Cutler then kicks to someone out wide who then kicks to Taylor who is now hard against the boundary line on the half back flank. The commentators were equally as baffled as to why we wouldn't take any of the two options that presented themselves in the middle of the ground.

Whether this is the "gameplan" I don't know, but it definitely isn't the way to go about winning games of football and attacking up the guts. We seem to want to invite the opposition to be able have as much time as possible to set up and make it harder for ourselves to allow our forwards to find space to lead into.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Luke McGuane.... FFS boy has he been stinking it up.

Just a awful signing... The Lions pulled the trigger signing him late, but I guess when no one wants to come to our insignificant rabble of a club he is the type of player we get

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