Discussion The VFA premierships debate - should they be recognised as elite level premierships?

How many tier 1 premierships have Geelong won?


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Hawkk

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The Championship of Australia really has no relevance. The teams that travelled hardly won, and the players would have looked at the trip as as a holiday. No SA premier teams won when the match was played in Victoria. Of course the Adelaide teams would have been eager to knock off the Vic premier to prove themselves, but the Victorian team had played it's most important match of the year a week or two before.
And yet success in that competition has much more relevance than a competition where captains umpired the kick off...
 

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Ice-Wolf

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Wrong.

It's a fact that the afl was started in 1990

It's an opinion that the AFL and VFL are the same thing.

Learn the difference.
They are the same ******* thing the AFL is the same competition as the (old) VFL. There was no breakaway, the league did not disband it merely changed it's branding, just like the SAFA/SAFL/SANFL.

How about you learn the ******* difference.
 

kickazz

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Wrong.

It's a fact that the afl was started in 1990

It's an opinion that the AFL and VFL are the same thing.

Learn the difference.
VFL was renamed to the AFL in 1990.

When a woman takes her husband's name after getting married, she is still actually the same person.

Likewise this particular football competition.
 

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No the AFL and VFL are the same thing it's been around since 1897.
I'm saying that it may become more acceptable generally by 2020 to only refer to AFL flags, using the VFA/VFL info quoted by:

Last year I purchased a boxed collection of all grand final records , up until about 1925 the pre 1897 pre ships were counted . I think they should as the VFA was the fore runner to the then VFL.
 

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footyfan78

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The underlying mechanics of the league changed in 1987.
Nah, 1925 when Footscray, North and Hawthorn added is the big jump of the league increasing in size of clubs by 25%. Then a few years on the McIntyre Final system started up that removed the challenge finals system for minor premiers and replaced with double chances for top and second placed team on ladder.
Sunday games in Sydney I think the next biggest change and then nights games starting up in 1985, then salary cap and then another two clubs in 1987.
Then the whole zoning system abolished and removal of under 19 teams in early 1990s to really jump into the full on drafting era that saw the drastic change of only 5 clubs winning the premiership from 1967 to 1991 to be turned on it's head by end of 1990's with 7 different clubs winning the premierships from 1990 to 1997.
Then probably the final 8 system coming into place that brought the underlying mechanics of finals system to decide premiership having two preliminary finals from 1994 onwards.
The addition of another two expansions clubs one after the other this decade to have a game each week in New South Wales and Queensland is the latest change in changing landscape from inception in 1897 to now of 8 founding clubs for the league expanding out to a total of 18 now.
 
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Tiger2709

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We do and it lifts Carlton to the top of the premiership table on 22, ahead of Essendon on 20.

Thus, I think its a great idea.
Carlton already have the most wins in Grand Finals, so should be top anyway, well if you include all the ones that were won when not quite following the rules;)
 

Tiger2709

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Should be no VFL either.
Why, all that occurred was a name change of the same competition, which is nothing like a break away competition as happened when the VFL was formed, if that was the criteria the AFL would never have existed.
 

Tiger2709

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I would only include the premierships from when the AFL was formed. I mean who cares how many premierships clubs got when it was only a Victorian competition.
I do:thumbsu:

Should we consider not including flags won when the winner has been given an unfair advantage, such as Cola?
 

Wallaby

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Of course they bloody should. You support a club. You recognise its history. You should respect and know that history. Who gives a f#*#*# what letters it has before or after the competition name? The only rules that apply to 'Which one's count, and which don't' are those for each individual supporter.

If you don't want to recognise early premierships my club won pre-VFL, well, that's your problem, not mine.
 

The Unforgiven

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Wrong.

It's a fact that the afl was started in 1990

It's an opinion that the AFL and VFL are the same thing.

Learn the difference.
It's a fact that Port Power was started in 1997

It's an opinion that Port Power and Port Magpies are the same thing.

Learn the difference.
 
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