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Victoria’s bowling squad to take on NSW…

Elliott is a bowler isn’t he?

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Yep. Expect he'll be one of the two to miss. JFM missing is surprising.

Harris
Seymour/Maddinson
Handscomb (c)
Seymour/Maddinson
Short
Harper
Sutherland
Perry
Parker
Boland
Holland
 
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How can harvey and JFM not get a look in?
Is patto injured? He played in one of the practice matches.

Yes Patto is injured hence his retirement from test cricket this week.

Yep. Expect he'll be one of the two to miss. JFM missing is surprising.

Harris
Seymour/Maddinson
Handscomb (c)
Seymour/Maddinson
Short
Harper
Sutherland
Perry
Parker
Boland
Holland

Agree with both that no JFM is a bit shock, especially given the side is so light on for batting.
 
Yes Patto is injured hence his retirement from test cricket this week.



Agree with both that no JFM is a bit shock, especially given the side is so light on for batting.
I like that we have two specialist spinners though
 

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What’s this review of contracting and selection being done by Mike Hussey about???
Premier clubs weren’t happy with a number of things which included:
* inconsistency in rewarding performances in Premier Cricket.

* the potential loss of senior players who have lost faith in the selection process and no longer believe they will be considered for state teams.

* perceptions of bias in selection.

* a failure to produce Victorian players for Australian teams.

“In recent years there have been outstanding performances from Premier players which have seemingly been overlooked by state selectors, in favour of other players who have not performed at the same level,’’ the Essendon submission stated.

“Whilst there is always room in any selection process for younger, less experienced players to be considered on a balance of performance and potential, we submit many selection decisions made in recent years have been almost entirely weighted on potential, with next to no reasonable performance to justify the selection.’’

It said several players picked for Victoria in recent years had played less than 10 Premier First XI matches and had batting averages of between eight and 24.

At the same time up to six other Premier batsmen, all aged under 30, were averaging between 45 and 100.

Essendon said several bowlers selected had figures ranking them lower than at least 30 to 50 other bowlers in Premier Cricket.

“Of equal concern, and perhaps related to the above issues, is the apparent lack of communication between Premier players and a stark lack of attendance at Premier Cricket by CV high performance management and/or state selectors.

“Each season, numerous and consistent performances have been exhibited in Premier cricket, at a very high standard, yet only too rarely are CV high performance or state selectors in attendance. This is contributing to the growing dissatisfaction and declining confidence in the selection process within Premier ranks.’’

The submission said the “continued non-selection of the very best players in the Premier competition’’ was resulting in them moving on, either accepting money to play in weaker cricket or chasing interstate opportunities.

“The resultant damage to Premier Cricket is that a great number of other players, who have not performed at quite the same level as those above them, also now believe their own chances of higher honours are even more remote than those outstanding Premier players and are similarly electing to leave Premier Cricket.

“This will result in a decline in the depth and standard of Premier Cricket. If continued, the gap between Premier Cricket and first-class cricket will only grow wider, which weakens Victoria’s prospects for producing further first class and international players.’’

The Essendon submission said there was “rightly or wrongly’’ a perception that players from St Kilda and Melbourne were given “preferential selection treatment’’.

“This correspondence does not make any allegations of deliberate bias, but the perception exists nonetheless.

“It is worth considering that since 2009-10, 47 per cent of all players selected to debut for Victoria, come from just three clubs (St Kilda, Melbourne Richmond). In terms of games played (as opposed to just player numbers), 40 per cent of matches played for Victoria have been played by players from just two clubs, St Kilda and Melbourne.

“We contend that over nearly 13 years, in an 18-team competition (one team = 5.5 per cent), this is a statistical anomaly which could suggest some clubs’ players are favoured over others. To quell concerns of bias and inconsistency, we suggest the selection and player contracting process should be completed via a more transparent and broader process.

“It may also assist if the selection policies for matches and player contracts are also subject to a more considered formal policy, which is linked to Premier Cricket performances. Importantly, when considering those people and positions responsible for match and contract selection, a more frequent and regular rotation of individuals to those positions, coupled with formal guidelines, will provide more consistent outcomes and re-establish greater confidence in the process.’’

The submission also asserted that Victoria had “failed dismally’’ in producing Australian players and had done for many years.

The Vics have won the Sheffield Shield six times since 2007-08, as well as two one-day crowns in the past 10 years
 
I foresee just one change for the next game. Puck in for whom though? Short? Merlo? One day game should be easier to pick:

Harper (+)
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Merlo
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I foresee just one change for the next game. Puck in for whom though? Short? Merlo? One day game should be easier to pick:

Harper (+)
Harris
Maddinson
Handscomb (c)
Short
Merlo
Fraser-McGurk
Sutherland
Elliott
Holland
Evans

Definitely for Merlo, I think Short's bowling keeps him in and means they play Sutherland as a bowler not an all rounder.
 
Definitely for Merlo, I think Short's bowling keeps him in and means they play Sutherland as a bowler not an all rounder.
Merlo can bowl as well, and outperformed Short in the first dig. Would be harsh to drop him, even though a poor shot got him out.

Edit: Seymour can bowl handy mediums too. Gets a bit of nip off the deck.
 
had to laugh that there's a 5000 person crowd cap for the Shield and One Day Cup games at the MCG. Would be lucky to get anywhere near 5000 all days combined
They have to say it though. It seems silly but from a legal standpoint...
 

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If that's the case I'm going with no changes for the next game.
You Vics dont need to change a thing. It is we Blues that have to find a winning formula after our pi**weak capitulation in last match. We have a combination of has been veterans, untried youngsters and a couple of in betweens that have found state cricket beyond them to date. I speak of Sangha and Edwards.
 
You Vics dont need to change a thing. It is we Blues that have to find a winning formula after our pi**weak capitulation in last match. We have a combination of has been veterans, untried youngsters and a couple of in betweens that have found state cricket beyond them to date. I speak of Sangha and Edwards.
Edwards was your second best bat last game.
 

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Then that goes to show you how crap the others are and how crap our selectors are. Edwards averages FC @26 from 18 games over three seasons. That spells inconsistency.
The New South cricket pathway is flawed. Meaning we are now lagging behind some other states which have introduced kids as young as 13 years into their Premier Cricket Program. This means they are getting the best red ball coaching, training, etc, far earlier than say a boy/girl of same age in my state. The benefits are bearing fruit with 15 year olds now posting hundreds 17 year olds doubles in PC red ball. To watch the older boys bat and bowl you'd be forgiven for thinking they were seasoned club cricketers yet most still have bum fluff on their chins..
Say's a lot about the talent pool in Australia it is very dry, none of these kids are coming on cricket is in trouble
 

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Say's a lot about the talent pool in Australia it is very dry, none of these kids are coming on cricket is in trouble
Yes in our state but not in WA, Tasmania and SA that have the underage Premier Cricket program. Dont mind betting that Cameron Green and Jhye Richardson benefited from the WA program. I have been following red ball underage PC in Tassie specially and there are some exceptional 17s scoring double hundreds. I can even tell you that WA 15s play red ball limited overs. That must be a national first at this level.
 
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Maddo a little stiff not to be MOTM imv.
Could watch Sutherland's dismissal of Patterson all day long, just wish he'd change his name not to be related to his a-hole dad (who sadly is at my club now)

Lovely arm ball by Short, couldn't believe the commentators were saying too high. Plumb.
So good to see Perry, Sutherland, Seymour and Short all doing well. Hopefully Fraser-McGurk, Walker are next and we can get Pucovski back at some point.
Just need some more consistent run scoring from our keepers IMO.
 
Maddo a little stiff not to be MOTM imv.
Could watch Sutherland's dismissal of Patterson all day long, just wish he'd change his name not to be related to his a-hole dad (who sadly is at my club now)

Lovely arm ball by Short, couldn't believe the commentators were saying too high. Plumb.
So good to see Perry, Sutherland, Seymour and Short all doing well. Hopefully Fraser-McGurk, Walker are next and we can get Pucovski back at some point.
Just need some more consistent run scoring from our keepers IMO.

Spot on. Think we need to persist with Harper.

Personally I do not want any Victorian associated with the toxic environment in Oz cricket run by the Brown Nosed Little Gnome.
 
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