The war against renewable energy

[bluespooner]

Angus Taylor is nothing but an out and out vandal.

The climate crisis looms as the Coalition fiddles with fossil fuels | Greg Jericho

The government is like a smoker switching to low-tar cigarettes. Its energy policy is just a sop

www.theguardian.com

Christ, your brainwashed.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Christ, your brainwashed.

Christ, you're brainwashed.

 

[madmug]

Christ, your brainwashed.

Its like the fight against leaded petrol that took over 50 years!!!!, the fight against cancer causing smoking, the fight to get the cause of mesothelioma, asbestos to be accepted. The fight against agent Orange effects, the fight against anti vaxers, the fight to get politicians to accept the science of climate change. Now its Covid 19, especially in the US. & 5G.

Its clear to see who the brainwashed are.

Somehow the dummies self destructive belief systems override science in so many fools in this world.

 

[kranky al]

Its like the fight against leaded petrol that took over 50 years!!!!, the fight against cancer causing smoking, the fight to get the cause of mesothelioma, asbestos to be accepted. The fight against agent Orange effects, the fight against anti vaxers, the fight to get politicians to accept the science of climate change. Now its Covid 19, especially in the US. & 5G.

Its clear to see who the brainwashed are.

Somehow the dummies self destructive belief systems override science in so many fools in this world.

 

[Gough]

Its like the fight against leaded petrol that took over 50 years!!!!, the fight against cancer causing smoking, the fight to get the cause of mesothelioma, asbestos to be accepted. The fight against agent Orange effects, the fight against anti vaxers, the fight to get politicians to accept the science of climate change. Now its Covid 19, especially in the US. & 5G.

Its clear to see who the brainwashed are.

Somehow the dummies self destructive belief systems override science in so many fools in this world.

Our energy policy and future is effectively being held hostage by thirty odd people in the Liberal Party who are beholden to mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly. It really is as simple as that.

 

[madmug]

Our energy policy and future is effectively being held hostage by thirty odd people in the Liberal Party who are beholden to mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly. It really is as simple as that.

You think at leasdt they'd take notice of the insurance & finance sectors, they're bailing out of the dirty industries at pace.

 

[Power Raid]

Angus Taylor is nothing but an out and out vandal.

The climate crisis looms as the Coalition fiddles with fossil fuels | Greg Jericho

The government is like a smoker switching to low-tar cigarettes. Its energy policy is just a sop

www.theguardian.com

South Australia is highlighting the failure of carbon light



we need to get off the carbon light renewables strategy and get serious. what technologies do you feel we should adopt to deliver clean, safe, reliable and affordable energy?

 

[Power Raid]

Our energy policy and future is effectively being held hostage by thirty odd people in the Liberal Party who are beholden to mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly. It really is as simple as that.

it is easy to complain but what technologies do you suggest Australia adopt that deliver? Perhaps if the electorate got honest with itself, this would already be an engineering issue rather than a political one.

 

[Kwality]

Its like the fight against leaded petrol that took over 50 years!!!!, the fight against cancer causing smoking, the fight to get the cause of mesothelioma, asbestos to be accepted. The fight against agent Orange effects, the fight against anti vaxers, the fight to get politicians to accept the science of climate change. Now its Covid 19, especially in the US. & 5G.

Its clear to see who the brainwashed are.

Somehow the dummies self destructive belief systems override science in so many fools in this world.

Enthusiastic over egging continues to hold the cause back, see renewables & power prices, the yes but excuses & increasing power prices ..... the little boy who called wolf factor.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

South Australia is highlighting the failure of carbon light

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we need to get off the carbon light renewables strategy and get serious. what technologies do you feel we should adopt to deliver clean, safe, reliable and affordable energy?

I'll leave that to the experts. Plenty of them disagree with you.

 

[RonSon]

South Australia is highlighting the failure of carbon light

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we need to get off the carbon light renewables strategy and get serious. what technologies do you feel we should adopt to deliver clean, safe, reliable and affordable energy?

Picking a snapshot is disingenuous but you know that already I'm sure.

This is interesting. SA over the last week. Wind the cheapest. Wind contributing the greatest % of supply by a large margin.

 

[Power Raid]

Picking a snapshot is disingenuous but you know that already I'm sure.

This is interesting. SA over the last week. Wind the cheapest. Wind contributing the greatest % of supply by a large margin.


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please refer the article I was responding to, so you can respond in context

Further it is important we use our brains and start referring ti the full cost of energy and importantly the cost of supplying power to meet demand rather than producing power when it works.

otherwise we are not being honest with the challenges we face and then wonder why engineers can't deliver on the political lies of lobby groups

 

[Power Raid]

I'll leave that to the experts. Plenty of them disagree with you.

you post an article referring to bagging carbon light solutions and we know based on an international review that renewables are carbon light.

so if renewables are not acceptable given they don't deliver clean energy outcomes, what do you propose?

or are you running away from your own article links or disagree with the international figures released by energy agencies.


This is exactly the issue with the energy policy and politics. You have people like yourself arm waving and then when challenged you run away. Just remember the environment is paying a big price for your dishonesty.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

you post an article referring to bagging carbon light solutions and we know based on an international review that renewables are carbon light.

so if renewables are not acceptable given they don't deliver clean energy outcomes, what do you propose?

or are you running away from your own article links or disagree with the international figures released by energy agencies.


This is exactly the issue with the energy policy and politics. You have people like yourself arm waving and then when challenged you run away. Just remember the environment is paying a big price for your dishonesty.

No, I post an article that shows that the Coalition are spouting complete and utter horseschitte on reducing carbon emissions (who'd have thought!!). No serious authority on the subject thinks we're going to reach our (modest) targets with the Coalition's joke strategy.

This is pantomime politics. People actually voted for these jokers.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Picking a snapshot is disingenuous but you know that already I'm sure.

Not to mention the graphic he posted couldn't even put a figure on solar.

 

[Power Raid]

Not to mention the graphic he posted couldn't even put a figure on solar.

do you have better figures than aemo and aremi (Australian Renewable Energy Mapping Infrastructure - .gov.au)? or will you back away from that position as well? oh and being the time of day it is and close to winter, the number is probably zero or too small to detect.

this is the s**t thing about dishonest blokes like yourself. You post s**t, then get challenged and then run or suggest the government is part of some conspiracy.

further

The climate crisis looms as the Coalition fiddles with fossil fuels | Greg Jericho

The government is like a smoker switching to low-tar cigarettes. Its energy policy is just a sop

www.theguardian.com

A quote from the article - "The government is like a smoker who still thinks switching to low-tar cigarettes is a healthy approach. "

yet when challenged on moving away from failed carbon light renewables startegies, you run away making a claim that you "just don't like it". You should be embarrassed to have the same emotional responses as Pauline Hanson "I just don't like it".

Grow some balls and have an opinion that you can stand by.


Lastly as per you posted link
1) Do you believe in the Guardian' providing a misleading and deceptive representation that the Australian Conservation Council AND the Grattan's institute suggested we should start with steel? Or do you feel we and the Guardian be honest and represent what the Grattan Institute actually said?
2) In regards to the "10 years ago comment" what do you feel should have changed in the policies? What should have been included and removed from the table as potential solutions? Do you feel gas should be removed?
3) Do you feel a journalist who has engaged in misleading and deceptive conduct is a good source? If you knowingly present a source that is misleading and deceptive, what does that say about you? Please read the links to "start with steel" and inform yourself and perhaps retract you references once done.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

do you have better figures than aemo and aremi (Australian Renewable Energy Mapping Infrastructure - .gov.au)? or will you back away from that position as well? oh and being the time of day it is and close to winter, the number is probably zero or too small to detect.

this is the s**t thing about dishonest blokes like yourself. You post s**t, then get challenged and then run or suggest the government is part of some conspiracy.

further

The climate crisis looms as the Coalition fiddles with fossil fuels | Greg Jericho

The government is like a smoker switching to low-tar cigarettes. Its energy policy is just a sop

www.theguardian.com

A quote from the article - "The government is like a smoker who still thinks switching to low-tar cigarettes is a healthy approach. "

yet when challenged on moving away from failed carbon light renewables startegies, you run away making a claim that you "just don't like it". You should be embarrassed to have the same emotional responses as Pauline Hanson "I just don't like it".

Grow some balls and have an opinion that you can stand by.


Lastly as per you posted link
1) Do you believe in the Guardian' providing a misleading and deceptive representation that the Australian Conservation Council AND the Grattan's institute suggested we should start with steel? Or do you feel we and the Guardian be honest and represent what the Grattan Institute actually said?
2) In regards to the "10 years ago comment" what do you feel should have changed in the policies? What should have been included and removed from the table as potential solutions? Do you feel gas should be removed?
3) Do you feel a journalist who has engaged in misleading and deceptive conduct is a good source? If you knowingly present a source that is misleading and deceptive, what does that say about you? Please read the links to "start with steel" and inform yourself and perhaps retract you references once done.

I’m not “running away” from anything. The government’s figures are full of s**t. The article provides ample support for that position.

 

[Power Raid]

I’m not “running away” from anything. The government’s figures are full of s**t. The article provides ample support for that position.

and what figure is that? the 1.5 degree figure



if so, do you agree carbon light renewables are a complete failure as evidenced in Australia and globally. Attested to by no country with a renewables strategy doesn't deliver 14g-70g CO2 per kwh without hydro or nuclear? meanwhile clean hydro and nuclear delivers time and time again.

or do you just agree with the carbon light issue

or do you just acknowledge the graph and dismiss the misleading and deceptive references article

or do you accept misleading and deceptive references

or do you just s**t your pants and run when you've been caught out?

 

[Gough]

it is easy to complain but what technologies do you suggest Australia adopt that deliver? Perhaps if the electorate got honest with itself, this would already be an engineering issue rather than a political one.

There's cleverer people than I tasked with finding that solution but their job would be made a hell of a lot easier if we didn't have a government that continually undermines renewables and research into them in favour of subsidising fossil fuels, a dying technology. It's not even economically sensible anymore.

 

[Kram]

and what figure is that? the 1.5 degree figure



if so, do you agree carbon light renewables are a complete failure as evidenced in Australia and globally. Attested to by no country with a renewables strategy doesn't deliver 14g-70g CO2 per kwh without hydro or nuclear? meanwhile clean hydro and nuclear delivers time and time again.

or do you just agree with the carbon light issue

or do you just acknowledge the graph and dismiss the misleading and deceptive references article

or do you accept misleading and deceptive references

or do you just s**t your pants and run when you've been caught out?

Haven't you heard? The dude knows so much about it made a lot of money investing in an amazing renewables portfolio, show some respect.

 

[Chief]

it is easy to complain but what technologies do you suggest Australia adopt that deliver? Perhaps if the electorate got honest with itself, this would already be an engineering issue rather than a political one.

This is just a debating trap.

“Go on, think of something better”

It’s not an argument.

 

[Power Raid]

This is just a debating trap.

“Go on, think of something better”

It’s not an argument.

or is it an "honesty and intergrity" trap? Perhaps getting people to be hoest with themselves is an important step to delivering outcomes that protect the plant?



let's let's analyse Gough's post, given WE ALL KNOW no country with a renewables strategy has delivered a low CO2 outcome without hydro or nuclear.

Our energy policy and future is effectively being held hostage by thirty odd people in the Liberal Party who are beholden to mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly. It really is as simple as that.

so according to Gough we haven't reduced CO2 because of mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly

yet he goes onto to say.........

There's cleverer people than I tasked with finding that solution but their job would be made a hell of a lot easier if we didn't have a government that continually undermines renewables and research into them in favour of subsidising fossil fuels, a dying technology. It's not even economically sensible anymore.

Gough says we haven't reduced CO2 because renewables have been undermined. Yet we circle back to the FACT WE ALL KNOW no country with a renewables strategy has delivered a low CO2 outcome without hydro or nuclear.



So we go back to the "trap" as you call it and ask people to be honest with themselves. Do we want to reduce CO2 or do we want renewables? Technology currently says you can't have both unless you ignore the facts.

If you can't work out what the solutions are that do deliver, perhaps review this website link on and off over 1 month. https://www.electricitymap.org/map

You'll quickly note those with the technology mix that does work.

 

[Power Raid]

I’m not “running away” from anything. The government’s figures are full of s**t. The article provides ample support for that position.

talking about honesty............please be honest with yourself and highlight to the figures you refer to

 

[Chief]

or is it an "honesty and intergrity" trap? Perhaps getting people to be hoest with themselves is an important step to delivering outcomes that protect the plant?



let's let's analyse Gough's post, given WE ALL KNOW no country with a renewables strategy has delivered a low CO2 outcome without hydro or nuclear.



so according to Gough we haven't reduced CO2 because of mining companies, Joyce, Canavan or just not very clever, Connie F.W. and Craig Kelly

yet he goes onto to say.........



Gough says we haven't reduced CO2 because renewables have been undermined. Yet we circle back to the FACT WE ALL KNOW no country with a renewables strategy has delivered a low CO2 outcome without hydro or nuclear.

You’re extrapolating to “and we never will”.

 

[Power Raid]

There's cleverer people than I tasked with finding that solution but their job would be made a hell of a lot easier if we didn't have a government that continually undermines renewables and research into them in favour of subsidising fossil fuels, a dying technology. It's not even economically sensible anymore.

and again just craziness beliefs that ignore reality

1) undermines renewables but in reality land https://theconversation.com/austral...eader-in-building-new-renewable-energy-123694

In Australia, renewable energy is growing at a per capita rate ten times faster than the world average. Between 2018 and 2020, Australia will install more than 16 gigawatts of wind and solar, an average rate of 220 watts per person per year.





2) when it comes to cost WE ALL KNOW the increased costs have come from a variety of issues linked to renewables. a) the doubling and tripling of infrastructure resulting in the need for capex return over less kwh b) the unreliable nature of renewables resulting in profit gouging and opportunism in the market c) the big one being the need to rolls royce our grid to enable unreliable energy mixes on the grid.............however this is an inconvenient truth isn't it?



So again referring to cost cost of producing energy when a system works is an integrity issue. Until we start measuring the cost of supply power to meet demand you ignore the cost of the grid, ignore the cost of back up systems, ignore the cost of increased amortisation and ignore the cost of shutting down economies by scaling down demand to preserve grid stability