The war against renewable energy

[Frank Bunn]

Graham Richardson thinks energy policies could save Turnbull and cost Labor the next election.

In the midst of a fairly standard spray on the opposition, he actually came up with an Abbott-like pithy, effective line. He referred to Labor as the party of blackouts. Finally, he hit a nail on the head.

The one ray of light offered to his faltering leadership has been Labor’s truly awful energy policies. Under Mark Butler, Labor’s spokesman on energy, the opposition has walked further and further out on the renewables limb. There is now a virtual guarantee of more blackouts in South Australia (Butler’s home state) over the summer and a strong probability of blackouts in Victoria. Turnbull will have a really effective campaign presented to him on a Labor-provided platter.

The energy policy in South Australia shows the folly of chasing the wonderful goal of renewable sources providing all of our power needs without waiting for the proven technology that would make that goal possible.

Between now and the federal election, Turnbull must make the blackout label stick to Labor. At a time when the Coalition would be flat out trying to convince the electorate there were real differences between it and the opposition — particularly given the growing number of disillusioned, disgruntled voters who simply wish that a plague would envelop the major parties — energy policy is simply Turnbull’s only hope.​

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s/news-story/609e7c4bc5a0a95044eae37c1072b9a4

 

[Kwality]

Graham Richardson thinks energy policies could save Turnbull and cost Labor the next election.

In the midst of a fairly standard spray on the opposition, he actually came up with an Abbott-like pithy, effective line. He referred to Labor as the party of blackouts. Finally, he hit a nail on the head.

The one ray of light offered to his faltering leadership has been Labor’s truly awful energy policies. Under Mark Butler, Labor’s spokesman on energy, the opposition has walked further and further out on the renewables limb. There is now a virtual guarantee of more blackouts in South Australia (Butler’s home state) over the summer and a strong probability of blackouts in Victoria. Turnbull will have a really effective campaign presented to him on a Labor-provided platter.

The energy policy in South Australia shows the folly of chasing the wonderful goal of renewable sources providing all of our power needs without waiting for the proven technology that would make that goal possible.

Between now and the federal election, Turnbull must make the blackout label stick to Labor. At a time when the Coalition would be flat out trying to convince the electorate there were real differences between it and the opposition — particularly given the growing number of disillusioned, disgruntled voters who simply wish that a plague would envelop the major parties — energy policy is simply Turnbull’s only hope.​

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s/news-story/609e7c4bc5a0a95044eae37c1072b9a4

Who gives a continental about the politics of the issue, only the minority that are the political class - the majority wake up when the power switch is cactus.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

It's absolutely clear that the renewable energy target is to blame for high energy prices and precarious energy security.

******* lol.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

We had load shedding on the regular when we had no wind/solar. Happens occasionally when we don't have oversupply. Ignorant right wing nuffies gunna nuffie tho.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Who gives a continental about the politics of the issue, only the minority that are the political class - the majority wake up when the power switch is cactus.

Apparently we're going to be offered cash to switch off our air-con on extremely hot days to avoid blackouts. ******* disgraceful in a land plentiful in coal, gas and uranium.

 

[Pessimistic]

Graham Richardson thinks energy policies could save Turnbull and cost Labor the next election.

In the midst of a fairly standard spray on the opposition, he actually came up with an Abbott-like pithy, effective line. He referred to Labor as the party of blackouts. Finally, he hit a nail on the head.

The one ray of light offered to his faltering leadership has been Labor’s truly awful energy policies. Under Mark Butler, Labor’s spokesman on energy, the opposition has walked further and further out on the renewables limb. There is now a virtual guarantee of more blackouts in South Australia (Butler’s home state) over the summer and a strong probability of blackouts in Victoria. Turnbull will have a really effective campaign presented to him on a Labor-provided platter.

The energy policy in South Australia shows the folly of chasing the wonderful goal of renewable sources providing all of our power needs without waiting for the proven technology that would make that goal possible.

Between now and the federal election, Turnbull must make the blackout label stick to Labor. At a time when the Coalition would be flat out trying to convince the electorate there were real differences between it and the opposition — particularly given the growing number of disillusioned, disgruntled voters who simply wish that a plague would envelop the major parties — energy policy is simply Turnbull’s only hope.​

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s/news-story/609e7c4bc5a0a95044eae37c1072b9a4

So win a federal election on state issue? I suppose it been done

 

[Pessimistic]

Apparently we're going to be offered cash to switch off our air-con on extremely hot days to avoid blackouts. ******* disgraceful in a land plentiful in coal, gas and uranium.

...spread over vast differences where transmission is ultra expensive under peak load which is needed for two dozen days a year max in Victoria


Talk to me about waste again. The problems not base load it's peak load. And on hot days wouldn't home based solar energy be the most sensible thing?

 

[Gough]

So win a federal election on state issue? I suppose it been done

If the Libs want to fight the election on energy policy all the ALP needs to do is wheel out Tony Abbott saying the best thing he ever did was get rid of the Carbon Tax. More than anything getting rid of that, and offering no real alternative has caused the instability in policy, and the rising prices.

 

[Pessimistic]

In regards to full pricing of renewables, as they can't produce reliable power, what is the reasonable formula to assess viability?

Is it the fixed costs of the renewable plus the operating cost of the renewable plus the fixed cost of the reliable power generator parked up whilst the renewable can work?

Thus the economic decision to run a renewable over reliable power needs to be cheaper than the operating cost of that reliable power. As the fixed cost of reliable supply is a sunk cost for the reliable operator.

How are you reporting the figures in your assessments or peer assessments?

Transmission costs, and the need to build a grid only on peak on really hot days

 

[Kwality]

...spread over vast differences where transmission is ultra expensive under peak load which is needed for two dozen days a year max in Victoria


Talk to me about waste again. The problems not base load it's peak load. And on hot days wouldn't home based solar energy be the most sensible thing?

Its not about where the power comes from IMHO heading into summer, my folks put in solar in WA in the 70s, it worked, what about this summer?

 

[Frank Bunn]

So win a federal election on state issue? I suppose it been done

You will see Turnbull make a point of difference between himself and Shorten over RET, which a Commonwealth scheme.

AEMO estimates the likelihood of blackouts in South Australia this summer at between 26 and 33 per cent, the likelihood of an energy shortfall in Victoria at between 39 per cent and 43 per cent. The problem is likely to become much worse in 2022 when the Hunter Valley's Liddell Power Station — Australia's third largest — shuts down. This is something you would expect in a third world country. Blackouts in SA, Victoria and likely future blackouts in NSW will have an impact on a federal election.

 

[Pessimistic]

You will see Turnbull make a point of difference between himself and Shorten over RET, which a Commonwealth scheme.

AEMO estimates the likelihood of blackouts in South Australia this summer at between 26 and 33 per cent, the likelihood of an energy shortfall in Victoria at between 39 per cent and 43 per cent. The problem is likely to become much worse in 2022 when the Hunter Valley's Liddell Power Station — Australia's third largest — shuts down. This is something you would expect in a third world country. Blackouts in SA, Victoria and likely future blackouts in NSW will have an impact on a federal election.

You could reverse the deniers strategy and question the proof that the ALP is to blame, even if the issue exists

Anyway Turnbull will stuff it up as usual

 

[Jello_B]

If the Libs want to fight the election on energy policy all the ALP needs to do is wheel out Tony Abbott saying the best thing he ever did was get rid of the Carbon Tax. More than anything getting rid of that, and offering no real alternative has caused the instability in policy, and the rising prices.

How?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

You will see Turnbull make a point of difference between himself and Shorten over RET, which a Commonwealth scheme.

AEMO estimates the likelihood of blackouts in South Australia this summer at between 26 and 33 per cent, the likelihood of an energy shortfall in Victoria at between 39 per cent and 43 per cent. The problem is likely to become much worse in 2022 when the Hunter Valley's Liddell Power Station — Australia's third largest — shuts down. This is something you would expect in a third world country. Blackouts in SA, Victoria and likely future blackouts in NSW will have an impact on a federal election.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Hamster logic.

 

[kwikfix]

If the Libs want to fight the election on energy policy all the ALP needs to do is wheel out Tony Abbott saying the best thing he ever did was get rid of the Carbon Tax. More than anything getting rid of that, and offering no real alternative has caused the instability in policy, and the rising prices.

I see you are obsessed by Tony Abbott, is he to alpha male for you?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Hamster logic.

Nah I'm just across the detail, you're a right wing ideologue who has no idea what you're on about.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Nah I'm just across the detail, you're a right wing ideologue who has no idea what you're on about.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

haha cute. You are wrong though. The only point of interest is if you are doing so out of ignorance or if you're deliberately posting rubbish.

 

[Kwality]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Which bits?

 

[Pessimistic]

So we've had the crisis for at least six months now, and the government is no closer to resolving it, but people want to blame the opposition?

Is it a real crisis or wedge politics as usual?

 

[Kwality]

So we've had the crisis for at least six months now, and the government is no closer to resolving it, but people want to blame the opposition?

Is it a real crisis or wedge politics as usual?

Arent the States passing the buck (again) & the Feds arent capable of calling them out? No such problem in WA & the Feds are no where to be seen.

For most of us its not a problem until the light switch doesnt work ...

 

[kwikfix]

Genius. Shut power station, see energy prices soar, reap the profits. Plus have your hand out for fat taxpayer funded subsidies. AGL can get in the bin.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/204bcd821edaef18ec98fb9415f30fb2

 

[swingdog]

Arent the States passing the buck (again) & the Feds arent capable of calling them out? No such problem in WA & the Feds are no where to be seen.

For most of us its not a problem until the light switch doesnt work ...

WA has a gas reserve and Muja isn't due to close until next September.

 

[Maggie5]

Abbott was right about the cost of a leg of lamb though but Whyalla still on the map.