The war against renewable energy

[Power Raid]

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...breaking-law-by-ignoring-climate-change-risks

Huge fines and the prospect of jail might sort these arseholes out.

what bullshit

1) new law...................no

businesses have always had to identify and discuss material business risks

the guardian should be fined for misleading readers

2) the biggest risks for companies relating to climate change was not in fact climate change but the cost of power due to government intervention and the other being government policy

3) this is turned into a marketing exercise for "look how good we are"

 

[QuietB]

and all this hysteria yet rather than adopting solutions that work, the democratic western world has looked toward solar and wind which has cost billions and failed to make a dent. Efficiency and the GFC has done more than government intervention.

Meanwhile France has achieved what Germany simply couldn't. In fact if Germany followed France, with the money they have wasted in the last 10 years, they too could claim victory over CO2.

So if global warming is so bad and so real, why do so many greenies just hope that technological advance may occur one day in solar and wind (which will only be half as good as coal due to their reliance on gas), rather than back solutions that work?

clearly global warming isn't that big a deal if we can dick around for decades?

The world we live in right now;

1. Alternative facts are good
2. Real facts are "hysteria"

 

[Hawk Dork]

Connect Tasmania to the mainland with another cord and get them to store and release power with their hydro
The electric car future and possibly Hydrogen will also be storage for renewables if charged while parked in the day.

One will happen by government intervention and money the other will naturally happen

 

[Bombermania]

and all this hysteria yet rather than adopting solutions that work, the democratic western world has looked toward solar and wind which has cost billions and failed to make a dent. Efficiency and the GFC has done more than government intervention.

Meanwhile France has achieved what Germany simply couldn't. In fact if Germany followed France, with the money they have wasted in the last 10 years, they too could claim victory over CO2.

So if global warming is so bad and so real, why do so many greenies just hope that technological advance may occur one day in solar and wind (which will only be half as good as coal due to their reliance on gas), rather than back solutions that work?

clearly global warming isn't that big a deal if we can dick around for decades?

Putting aside the Greenies, considering the amount of capital being invested in technology and research then its only a matter of time, we are already seeing improvements in battery technology.

 

[kranky al]

and all this hysteria yet rather than adopting solutions that work, the democratic western world has looked toward solar and wind which has cost billions and failed to make a dent. Efficiency and the GFC has done more than government intervention.

Meanwhile France has achieved what Germany simply couldn't. In fact if Germany followed France, with the money they have wasted in the last 10 years, they too could claim victory over CO2.

So if global warming is so bad and so real, why do so many greenies just hope that technological advance may occur one day in solar and wind (which will only be half as good as coal due to their reliance on gas), rather than back solutions that work?

clearly global warming isn't that big a deal if we can dick around for decades?

Solar and wind have taken close to 30% off germanys emissions.

Thats not to be sneezed at and continuing to invest will lead to further gains - the stupidity is in closing nuke plants to open coal

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

what bullshit

1) new law...................no

businesses have always had to identify and discuss material business risks

the guardian should be fined for misleading readers

2) the biggest risks for companies relating to climate change was not in fact climate change but the cost of power due to government intervention and the other being government policy

3) this is turned into a marketing exercise for "look how good we are"

This isn't true.

Extractive industries, big coastal developments, big ag, insurance industry, investment banking etc. all face and smart companies factor in, significant risk due to climate change.

 

[Pessimistic]

and all this hysteria yet rather than adopting solutions that work, the democratic western world has looked toward solar and wind which has cost billions and failed to make a dent. Efficiency and the GFC has done more than government intervention.

Meanwhile France has achieved what Germany simply couldn't. In fact if Germany followed France, with the money they have wasted in the last 10 years, they too could claim victory over CO2.

So if global warming is so bad and so real, why do so many greenies just hope that technological advance may occur one day in solar and wind (which will only be half as good as coal due to their reliance on gas), rather than back solutions that work?

clearly global warming isn't that big a deal if we can dick around for decades?

We are all failing at both

 

[Lebbo73]

I bet when you were a kid and your Parents said "don't go near that fire Lebbo, you'll get burned" you said "no I won't Mum, fire can't hurt anyone it's all a religious cult myth"

Very poor analogy even by your standards

 

[Power Raid]

The world we live in right now;

1. Alternative facts are good
2. Real facts are "hysteria"

nice deflection

so why wouldn't the world follow france if the issue was so serious? why would anyone think germany was the right model?

https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=map&solar=false&remote=true&wind=false

Clearly global warming issue isn't the issue represented or people wouldn't support "let's hope one day......"

to think france had this solved 40-50 years ago!

 

[Power Raid]

Solar and wind have taken close to 30% off germanys emissions.

Thats not to be sneezed at and continuing to invest will lead to further gains - the stupidity is in closing nuke plants to open coal

an they are closing down nuclear meaning after 20 years they are back to where they started. No change in CO2 post nuclear after billions and billions and two decades.

WOW! Global warming must be high on germany's priority list if they can feel achieving nothing is OK.

 

[kranky al]

an they are closing down nuclear meaning after 20 years they are back to where they started. No change in CO2 post nuclear after billions and billions and two decades.

WOW! Global warming must be high on germany's priority list if they can feel achieving nothing is OK.

Well its the fear mongerers equating 1 st gen nuclear with modern tech.

It doesnt help when an earthquake prone country like japan that should have bypassed uranium and gone straight to thorium reactor development has a fkkkk up also.

 

[Power Raid]

Well its the fear mongerers equating 1 st gen nuclear with modern tech.

It doesnt help when an earthquake prone country like japan that should have bypassed uranium and gone straight to thorium reactor development has a fkkkk up also.

agree with the 1st gen comment.

at least china and now India or making the tough decisions. thorium is dead and buried with gen 4 and the model T ford of reactors. Gen 4 and thorium work very similar in that they produce plutonium before producing energy. Only Gen 4 uranium is infinitely more efficient.

 

[kranky al]

agree with the 1st gen comment.

at least china and now India or making the tough decisions. thorium is dead and buried with gen 4 and the model T ford of reactors. Gen 4 and thorium work very similar in that they produce plutonium before producing energy. Only Gen 4 uranium is infinitely more efficient.

Thorium is good for snall scale reactors but more importantly its 100% meltdown proof.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Imagine every time these * wits get into power and ask the experts for advice about energy from anything but renewables as is their new religious bent. They know they are acting against all engineering, economical, finanacial etc advice and against the good of the nation they pretend to serve. * wits.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Imagine every time these **** wits get into power and ask the experts for advice about energy from anything but renewables as is their new religious bent. They know they are acting against all engineering, economical, finanacial etc advice and against the good of the nation they pretend to serve. **** wits.

They don't. Geez this is easy.

 

[rippersnipper]

I'm implying that antarctic ice is the same as glaciers, although walling in the whole of antarctica would be a challenge
maybe these suggesting think Glaciers melt quicker than Ice shelf?

Depends on the energy supplied to the ice by the external environment (water, air, sunlight). I'd trust the scientists who study this sort of stuff for a living and say that levels will rise. It doesn't really matter anyway, who the hell is going to build a wall that can contain that match water in such a hostile environment? No one. No one is going to build km of sea wall along the coast of inhabited landmasses either. It only makes sense to change our ways to avoid the issues that melted glacial ice presents to the planet.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Maersk pledges to cut carbon emissions to zero by 2050

The world’s largest container shipping company has pledged to cut net carbon emissions to zero by 2050, challenging an industry that is both one of the main transporters of global trade and one of the biggest polluters to come up with radical solutions in the next decade.

AP Moller Maersk, the Danish group that transports nearly one in five seaborne containers, said it needed its entire supply chain from engine makers and shipbuilders to new technology providers to come up with carbon-free ships by 2030 to meet the goal.

“We will have to abandon fossil fuels. We will have to find a different type of fuel or a different way to power our assets. This is not just another cost-cutting exercise. It’s far from that. It’s an existential exercise, where we as a company need to set ourselves apart,” Soren Toft, Maersk’s chief operating officer, told the Financial Times.

https://www.ft.com/content/44b8ba50...d178a#myft:notification:instant-email:content

 

[Pessimistic]

Depends on the energy supplied to the ice by the external environment (water, air, sunlight). I'd trust the scientists who study this sort of stuff for a living and say that levels will rise. It doesn't really matter anyway, who the hell is going to build a wall that can contain that match water in such a hostile environment? No one. No one is going to build km of sea wall along the coast of inhabited landmasses either. It only makes sense to change our ways to avoid the issues that melted glacial ice presents to the planet.

It was a genuine discussion. Do you wait for a runaway train to run out of fuel or try to stop it somehow? It’s too late to remedy the lack of a driver.
We don’t really know what point we are at

 

[Baltimore Jack]

State poised for $1b green power blitz
WA is poised for a renewable energy bonanza with more than $1 billion to be spent on projects that will almost treble the green power in the south-west grid over the next two years.

As the clock counts down to the 2020 deadline for the Federal Government’s renewable energy target, poles-and-wires company Western Power has cleared the way for the final wave of investment needed for WA to meet its obligations.

The State-owned electricity distributor yesterday approved a range of mega renewable energy projects that would collectively add almost 1000MW of capacity to the grid, up from the current amount of about 500MW.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

'No trilemma': Study finds increased renewables push down power prices

Renewable energy drives down wholesale power prices well in excess of subsidy costs and a further expansion of wind and solar would likely push them lower still, a study of Australian and European markets shows.

The findings come as Neoen, owner of the world's largest lithium battery, claimed the storage unit in South Australia had saved the wholesale market about $40 million in its first year of operation.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/en...s-push-down-power-prices-20181205-p50kef.html

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Well now:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876

Renewable energy reduces power prices by more than cost of subsidies, study finds

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876

If we want power prices to decrease and to meet our international obligations, renewable energy is the way to go.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Well now:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876

If we want power prices to decrease and to meet our international obligations, renewable energy is the way to go.

Thats an unfortunate fact for the Coal huggers

 

[Power Raid]

Well now:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...olar-gas-power-on-electricity-prices/10590876

If we want power prices to decrease and to meet our international obligations, renewable energy is the way to go.

hmm, a little perspective please

unreliable power generation was desired resulting in the need for increased investment in the grid. It also required increased dependence on back up solutions such as price gouging gas.

The price gouging gas is still required but less so with battery.

Can one really claim renewables is the solution if it was the cause of the problem? In other industries behaving like this, would be described as racketeering.


If we are serious about CO2 and global warming, would you really choose a solution that is 3-5 times worse than France's solution? I think not.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

hmm, a little perspective please

unreliable power generation was desired resulting in the need for increased investment in the grid. It also required increased dependence on back up solutions such as price gouging gas.

The price gouging gas is still required but less so with battery.

Can one really claim renewables is the solution if it was the cause of the problem? In other industries behaving like this, would be described as racketeering.


If we are serious about CO2 and global warming, would you really choose a solution that is 3-5 times worse than France's solution? I think not.

That's not true.

Malinvestment in poles and wires was the result of companies chasing tax breaks, the inability for them to correctly model the rise of consumer end solar, came later.

That isn't the fault of renewable energy, nor was it caused by your fabricated issues over reliability, it was a direct result of privatisation and then poor management.

 

[Power Raid]

That's not true.

Malinvestment in poles and wires was the result of companies chasing tax breaks, the inability for them to correctly model the rise of consumer end solar, came later.

That isn't the fault of renewable energy, nor was it caused by your fabricated issues over reliability, it was a direct result of privatisation and then poor management.

Australian government is estimating we need three times more grid with renewables.

Isn’t the grid something that is blamed for increased costs?