the war on drugs: is it time we admit what we're all thinking?

[Power Raid]

Really you quote a 7+yr old post for that?

If you look at the thread on this topic that I bumped a couple of months ago you'll see my thoughts have changed on the subject.

I'd have caveats on which ones were legalised (which I didn't state in my post when I bumped it) and I'd have much harsher penalties, perhaps minimum mandatory ones for people importing, manufacturing, supplying ones that weren't legalised.

As for what Power Raid has posted, I thought it was common knowledge years ago that airforce pilots were being supplied with amphetamines to keep them alert. Iirc, it came to light after they bombed the wrong target in a mission.

I had no idea that pilots were given amphetamines.

I guess it's logical given PCP, ecstasy and many other drugs have been developed for the purposes of war.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I had no idea that pilots were given amphetamines.

I guess it's logical given PCP, ecstasy and many other drugs have been developed for the purposes of war.

The U.S., German and Japanese armies marched on the stuff in WWII.

Ecstasy was developed for use as a pharmaceutical.

 

[cannot]

synthetic drugs are evil

there are reports the guy that (literally) 'ate the guys face' during daytime, was on synthetic eccies, or something like that. tried synthetic (legal) weed. is not good, have a long conversation with the devil and was surfing interdimentionally not in a good way

that plants like kratom and ganja are not legal, even coke and yet the strange and bad things that are highlights is a evil and greedy $ystem we are in

what ever happens, i really hope we dont upset the grog and tabbaco companies

 

[SBYM]

Are kids taking pills these days?

 

[cannot]

Are kids taking pills these days?

croming paint from what i can see

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Are kids taking pills these days?

Yeah, but there's * all mdma in them.

 

[SBYM]

Yeah, but there's **** all mdma in them.

Bummer.

 

[Power Raid]

Bummer.

They were the days!

 

[SBYM]

They were the days!

They were.

 

[Power Raid]

They were.

Once a year I get together with mates pop a few.

The quality in Indo is still good as they are made in pharmacies by Australian trained pharmacists.

The ADF is and always has been a reliable transporter.

 

[SBYM]

Once a year I get together with mates pop a few.

The quality in Indo is still good as they are made in pharmacies by Australian trained pharmacists.

The ADF is and always has been a reliable transporter.

Indonesia?!?

 

[Gigantic]

The quality of pills have stretched across the spectrum. Don't think they're worse.

From what I hear back in the day pills were consistent in quality from pretty much most sources. These days you can get high purity MDMA pills from one guy but also shitty pills laced with PMA and other s**t from another. That's what happens when things go mainstream and too commercialised.

Although I dare say it's mostly Australia that has an issue with the huge discrepancy in quality. I spent close to a year in Europe and had personally sent things into the labs they've got in the Netherlands to get stuff tested on many occasions from many different sources.

 

[skilts]

Although I dare say it's mostly Australia that has an issue with the huge discrepancy in quality. I spent close to a year in Europe and had personally sent things into the labs they've got in the Netherlands to get stuff tested on many occasions from many different sources.

Purely as a matter of interest, what results showed up among the pills you sent to the labs?

 

[Gigantic]

Purely as a matter of interest, what results showed up among the pills you sent to the labs?

The composition of the pill, so what was in it and the weight of the active ingredient.

All the pills I brought in they weighed, sampled then cross-checked with their database and told me instantly

Pretty much every pill I had tested returned nothing but MDMA as the active ingredient and about 200mg of it. Once had a pill returning 2c-b along with the MDMA, but I already knew that was in it also

 

[Snake_Baker]

The composition of the pill, so what was in it and the weight of the active ingredient.

All the pills I brought in they weighed, sampled then cross-checked with their database and told me instantly.

They couldn't tell a pill just from it's look. They would probably run GC/MS to analyse the pill.

Pretty much every pill I had tested returned nothing but MDMA as the active ingredient and about 200mg of it. Once had a pill returning 2c-b along with the MDMA, but I already knew that was in it also

That's a fair hit.

 

[Present Not Past]

Bump

US Department of Defence has just contacted an Australian company to supply dope to their soldiers to improve operational capabilities


The war on drugs is now drugs in war

The ADF has gone the opposite way - zero tolerance on drug use, especially alcohol.

 

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[JG22]

Are kids taking pills these days?

Hell yes

 

[Power Raid]

The ADF has gone the opposite way - zero tolerance on drug use, especially alcohol.

I remember the days where the navy bar would open for 1 pint at morning smoko, 2 pints at lunch and 1 pint for afternoon smoko

that's on top of the beers many guys brought themselves including the one on the way to work

 

[Power Raid]

guarding his retirement plan?

 

[Snake_Baker]

guarding his retirement plan?

The winning of hearts and minds, my friend.

 

[Gough]

The ADF has gone the opposite way - zero tolerance on drug use, especially alcohol.

My step brother is a raging alcy, and at least some of the roots of that are in the boozy culture at Duntroon in the late 80s, and early 90s, as well as his subsequent time in service. It's cost him one marriage, and he's holding on to his second by the skin of his fingers.

 

[PP34]

Time to at least look at some harm minimisation strategies, particularly when it comes to pills. After having an incident of my own about a month ago (mostly my own stupidity and thinking I was bulletproof) I decided to research a bit about pills. It's clear Australia is getting a wide variety of s**t. Not a lot of people are testing them in this country so who really knows what we're getting. Just based on my own experience I think they're being cut with a wide range of s**t, and that really isn't good. Sometimes you take one or two and you're flying, other times you feel nothing and need more. Me thinking my tolerance was good I decided to take a few too many and put myself in a pretty sorry state. Obviously I'm to blame for that.

However, there's youth out there doing just as many if not more on a regular basis and with the current stance on pills it's only going to end in a bad way for some. There's reports that Europe has super pills going around. Only a matter of time before they reach Australia (if they haven't already) and people start smashing them down like lollies. They might not die, but you'll probably have people ending up in a hospital bed feeling a lot worse for wear. Then you get the flogs who try and make imitations of the super ones and cut them with other nasty s**t.

Europe seems like it has a fair bit of competition so if you're selling s**t you're not going to be too successful. Here in Australia I don't really think that's the case at all.

MDMA definitely has some harms. There is no way you can take that regularly and not impact your brain negatively in some way. If people want to use it though so be it. Drinking booze on the regular isn't doing much for you either. Time to allow pill testing at the very least. No more young people should have to die going to a festival and taking a bad pill.

When I first started going out I didn't really think gear was rampant. A naive 18 year old just drinking beer could easily think this. It becomes pretty apparent though as you get to know more and more people at nightclubs, bars etc that pills in particular are everywhere. It's staggering really.

Weed obviously should be legalised. This country is just slow to react to everything, so knowing us we could be waiting another 20 years to legalisation of something that should never have been made illegal.

I cannot believe no government anywhere really hasn't at least started to think seriously about changing some policies. The Dark Web and Silk Road I thought would have been the catalyst for at least some discussion. They closed down Silk Road and nothing has changed. From all reports it's still fairly easy to get stuff mailed to you via the internet. They're spending billions of dollars and some pleb can download a browser, fine tune a few things and then get gear delivered to their mail. What a complete failure the war on drugs is.

 

[Gigantic]

They couldn't tell a pill just from it's look. They would probably run GC/MS to analyse the pill.





That's a fair hit.

The small centre I went to had a set up and process more along the lines of this



And yeah 200mg is a solid hit. Apparently that's the normal composition of a single pill over there but most people are only consuming half of it at a time, if even that.

However, there's youth out there doing just as many if not more on a regular basis and with the current stance on pills it's only going to end in a bad way for some. There's reports that Europe has super pills going around. Only a matter of time before they reach Australia (if they haven't already) and people start smashing them down like lollies. They might not die, but you'll probably have people ending up in a hospital bed feeling a lot worse for wear. Then you get the flogs who try and make imitations of the super ones and cut them with other nasty s**t.

Yeah, these super pills have found their way to Australia, well at least 2 years ago they did. Bit harder to source and have a premium on them, think they go for around $50 per pill, and each pill generally being a hit of 150-200mg. There have also been imitations going around in Europe also but don't think it was much of a major issue or incidents, mostly warnings sent around. But yeah you're right the quality and abundance in Europe helps in avoiding problems that could cause.

One problem I thought could arise in Europe was the potential for abuse because of how cheap and available they were, especially for MDMA where a 150-200mg pill sells for around $5 aud, which is ridiculously cheap. One of those could get you through a whole night of dancing over there, easy. But I never really heard of any issues regarding kids there buying a whole bunch and eating them like lollies.

 

[Power Raid]

The ADF has gone the opposite way - zero tolerance on drug use, especially alcohol.

The ADF would have to be close to the largest importer of drugs and weapons into Oz. The navy have loads of "no go zones" on the ship where customs aren't allowed such as communications and warfare rooms. Guess where drugs are kept.

The weapons are stashed around the ship depending on where people have access. The weapons locker is the normal place to hide them.....amongst the other weapons.