Current The Western Australian Current Trials Thread

[Bunnie]

Okay then....
Back to regular transmission.

So the process for court for him now is committal mention (October) which is a preliminary hearing before the committal hearing. After committal mention, if he does not enter a plea, next is committal hearing. If the case has merit then this is the last heading before the case moves on from magistrates court and goes into a higher jurisdiction.

Realistically is going to be years unless he pleads guilty.

 

[Wheatbelt]

Realistically is going to be years unless he pleads guilty.

If he had any ticker he'd just nod for it, those families are just being tormented further with what must be an unbearable wait.

 

[Kurve]

Under proposed changes in WA, the attorney-general of the day will be able to order the Prisoners Review Board not to consider parole for the worst category of killers during their tenure. “An attorney-general will be able to say I won’t give (that person) parole so don’t even consider it while I’m sitting in the chair,” Mr Quigley said, adding besides Birnie he had cases like the Claremont serial killings in mind when it came to reforming WA’s parole laws.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/no-h...a-attorney-general-john-quigley-ng-b88498120z

 

[Wheatbelt]

Francis John Wark has been granted a judge only trial due to extensive publicity surrounding the case of Hayley Dodd's disappearance.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...l/news-story/35022da83d59cbd8dbe7072bfbf3acc7

 

[Dan Baker]

"THE trial of Francis John Wark (61), accused of murdering Mandurah teenager Hayley Dodd, will be heard by judge alone the Supreme Court decided.

Wark pleaded not guilty to Ms Dodd’s murder and the case will go to trial in October."

http://www.communitynews.com.au/man...een-hayley-dodd-to-have-trial-heard-by-judge/

 

[Dan Baker]

I think this is why we believe he'd scoped the site out before in the daylight. He knew where he was going.

Sarahs site, the accused would go past on the way to Madora as part a short cut at the time. At the time, Wellard was a new sub division development nearby.

Ciaras site, we really have to hear more. It may be a thoroughfare of the accused for any number of reasons.

A lot of these criminals appear to have highly mobile jobs, with little accountability to their location.

 

[AAACockburn]

 

[GreyCrow]

Nah, not deplorable at all if it was to catch a killer, or used later to lock down a conviction. Thats a little bit selfish Bunnie.
And there maybe a technicality to why it may not be public.... Body unidentified etc.

On one hand you suggest the family have been informed. In the next breath you say the technicality is it hasn't been identified.

Umm so how did they inform the family without knowing identity?

Once again if you want to be a smug campaigner then at least be a consistent smug campaigner

 

[Dan Baker]

Please read thIs carefully.

As yet, Sarah has NOT been found and your suggestion that she may have been and it is being covered up IS NOT helping those working to locate her and may be extremely detrimental to finding her.

Rubbish. Little to no impact on anything. And its not a cover up. Its an operational matter with no legal obligation to the public. There is nothing to say you must be told in the interest of the prosecution.
How many bodies in keeping that haven't been identified yet.
That is what the family may have been told in private who are not allowed to tell you in the interest of a prosecution. Just like Mystery Man was deliberately kept a secret for so long for obvious reasons.

 

[AllanFunt]

Use whatever you want to use to imitate a deceased person weighing 47kilos in the pitch black of night down that wet slope from the roadside to the position.
I disagree, if you have a full container of water, it wont slop. But if you are feeling technical, walk out there with a manikin down the slope in the wet dew bush in the dark of night with no street lights. Its quite tricky walking through bush at night, let alone having a deceased person in your arms.



I agree, very possible. Maybe no connection. You are right. It could just be coincidence that the anglo saxon celtic names are beautiful knife, bright spier, dark cloak, and Jane Ryhmer (Jane Doe unidentified corpse). Crap Celtic names to have been murdered by a serial killer.
Gerard Ross is spear headland, Kerry Turners, dark tournament.

Gerards body was dumped roadside/trackside found by Miller, horse trainer.


STANDING up in the stirrups atop a little chestnut colt, Mick Miller was trotting along a trampled path through the pines at Baldivis, south of Perth, when he saw something unusual out of the corner of his eye.
It was the morning of October 29, 1997
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/spe...s/news-story/1f477bceed0561c08593caf3ab4fc783
"Police initially suspected sexual interference but later said there was no evidence of it. Still, the cause of death was so horrific that it was kept from most of the taskforce. Gerard’s parents were deliberately kept in the dark."

But how many user names in this forum are based on immediate family out of how many members?

Psychopath serial killers are renowned for fantasising, planning around their kills.

• serial killers usually premeditate their crimes, frequently fantasising and planning with detail, including the specific victim (Ressler, Burgess & Douglas 1988)
• serial killers are likely to use similar event locations (but different physical locations) for their crimes, move the body from one location to another and dispose of the body in remote locations (Kraemer, Lord & Heilbrun 2004).

Has there been any more press on the Gerard Ross case since this?

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/p...about-gerard-ross-murder-20170119-gturd4.html

 

[Dan Baker]

Gerard Ross not sexually assaulted.

What other motive is there?

 

[Kurve]

Gerard Ross not sexually assaulted.

What other motive is there?

He enjoys killing. I wouldn't exclude CSK for Gerard, anybody who got in his way or threatened him would be at risk. Gerard may have seen something and said he'd tell.

 

[AllanFunt]

He enjoys killing. I wouldn't exclude CSK for Gerard, anybody who got in his way or threatened him would be at risk. Gerard may have seen something and said he'd tell.

Why do you think Gerard Ross may be related?

 

[Kurve]

Why do you think Gerard Ross may be related?

The usual suspects in child murders ie. registered sex offenders and known perverts have been checked along with everybody else close to Gerard and in his circle, so why not? It's a myth that serial killers, while they may have a target preference stick strictly to hunting a particular type. That the police renewed interest in and calls for information on the Gerard Ross murder at the same presser they were making announcements on the arrest of Bradley Edwards could not be a coincidence imo.

 

[AllanFunt]

The usual suspects in child murders ie. registered sex offenders and known perverts have been checked along with everybody else close to Gerard and in his circle, so why not?.

Standard investigative procedure that.

 

[Kurve]

Standard investigative procedure that.

So, why not the CSK? I'm sure the police knew what they were doing, at a CSK presser the public were primed to link Gerard Ross at a time they would have been literally swamped with info coming in on BRE. Why would they choose to revive a murder investigation that had absolutely no connection at that particular time? I think in their investigations into BRE they've found something, probably circumstantial. For example, in checking BRE's time sheets they've found he was working at the closest exchange to Rockingham that day, Mandurah.

 

[Bunnie]

Seems like Iona is out of bounds, despite victims attending there.

And many other topics.

Going to fun when the moderators and their grubby associates are named and shamed.

Enjoy the heat you miserable pack of campaigners.

What does that even mean?

 

[AllanFunt]

What does that even mean?

Go ask Ross - ask him to explain it at length.

 

[Kurve]

Go ask Ross - ask him to explain it at length.

Who's Ross?

 

[AllanFunt]

A smug campaigner that just got owned.

 

[Dan Baker]

Will Steve Ross be a witness? Ross alleges he picked up Sarah with a man. If that is the case, Ross has provided an identi-kit taken of the man at the time. The question is, what does the identi-kit look like that we haven't as yet seen?

If Ross has provided false information,what are his motives? Did Ross pick up Sarah twice?

Surely with such violent crime, police have some DNA for Ross crime.

What does that even mean?

I wont be surprised if police trace back through the plethora of proxy VPNs either to see who has been on the forums. Not just the accused. A few people might be asked some questions.

There appeared very early on at least, at least one identity that had provided clues to the crime that were indicative of some knowledge of the crime throwing in the mix they may have a distant association with the CSK and his movements.

I doubt they ever thought he would be found. No doubt police will check for any connection between some online users and the current accused.

Interestingly enough, although their claims online (Gary Hughes Blog), the bodies intersected the Claremont hotel, the coordinates they provided were not accurate which suggests they knew CSK intentions but they got the coordinates incorrect when making it public.

There has since been deliberate rolling misinformation put online by someone. The CSK threads are unlike any other crime threads online in regards personal attacks and skulduggery.

 

[Bunnie]

Will Steve Ross be a witness? Ross alleges he picked up Sarah with a man. If that is the case, Ross has provided an identi-kit taken of the man at the time. The question is, what does the identi-kit look like that we haven't as yet seen?

If Ross has provided false information,what are his motives? Did Ross pick up Sarah twice?

Surely with such violent crime, police have some DNA for Ross crime.



I wont be surprised if police trace back through the plethora of proxy VPNs either to see who has been on the forums. Not just the accused. A few people might be asked some questions.

There appeared very early on at least, at least one identity that had provided clues to the crime that were indicative of some knowledge of the crime throwing in the mix they may have a distant association with the CSK and his movements.

I doubt they ever thought he would be found. No doubt police will check for any connection between some online users and the current accused.

Interestingly enough, although their claims online (Gary Hughes Blog), the bodies intersected the Claremont hotel, the coordinates they provided were not accurate which suggests they knew CSK intentions but they got the coordinates incorrect when making it public.

There has since been deliberate rolling misinformation put online by someone. The CSK threads are unlike any other crime threads online in regards personal attacks and skulduggery.

I cannot wait for information to be released. The amount of sewerage we wade through in here is ridiculous.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Rubbish. Little to no impact on anything. And its not a cover up. Its an operational matter with no legal obligation to the public. There is nothing to say you must be told in the interest of the prosecution.
How many bodies in keeping that haven't been identified yet.
That is what the family may have been told in private who are not allowed to tell you in the interest of a prosecution. Just like Mystery Man was deliberately kept a secret for so long for obvious reasons.

I agree with everything you said.......except your point about MM being kept a secret.
That was a monumental stuff up......and if it turns out that MM is BE, and he could have been identified by the public early in the piece....there should be hell to pay. Especially if BE has committed more murders or rapes between then and now.

 

[AllanFunt]

Did you ask? Were the answers enlightening?

 

[Kurve]

Did you ask? Were the answers enlightening?

Ask who and ask who what exactly?