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Happy with the reported review and it's findings mutt??
I am happy with it Fronk.

I wasn't one calling for more match day strategic moves, but if the club feels that it's required (even if it's to appease the vocal fans) then I'm all for it. The past couple of weeks have been difficult for the club but the end result has been brilliant I think. Kudos to Gordon, Garlick and to the club. And kudos to McCartney for having huge cojones to stick to his guns and tell players the truth.
 
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Lets appoint a coach who has only coached individually to a team playing on the beach without any senior AFL senior coaching around him
DOH
That didn't work we are going into our fourth season with Brendan maybe as a club he needs more experienced coaching around him to help

Pure incompetence from the management of this club
 
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I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say, Fred.
Are you saying Macca should be able to coach the team alone and hiring people to help him means he is incompetent?

I guess that means every coach and board in the AFL is incompetent.
 

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I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say, Fred.
Are you saying Macca should be able to coach the team alone and hiring people to help him means he is incompetent?

I guess that means every coach and board in the AFL is incompetent.
No what I am saying was that he was inexperienced as a AFL coach and might have needed help around him, if 3 years down the track it was obvious that he didn't need help so be it But as management its your role to make sure that your end result is not based solely on one person and you work part of a team and make sure that the team is well balanced
 

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Very happy with the rewiew, just blind faith posts on here that everything is fine, like hell.
I would Love to see Scott West involved.
Macca has appointed mates, yes, they read well, do they protect your decencies, I think not.
Time to appoint people, who will question, debate, and get the job done.
By the way, this does not include Chris Maple.
He can stay at Footscray.
 

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Macca has appointed mates, yes, they read well, do they protect your decencies, I think not.
Time to appoint people, who will question, debate, and get the job done.


Again its about balance to have over 50 % of our coaching staff either worked with Macca or close to Macca is out of Balance
We need a coach to help him and for him to feel pressure
 

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The problem is that the anti-McCartneyists still think that 'pulling the trigger' would've been the gutsy move, and the right one for the club.

I'd suggest, given our history, that this manner of thinking is completely outdated. Rather than sacking the coach based on 3 years of results that the club have bunkered down for, they've acknowledged the successes and admitted fault in all areas of the club, and opted for a restructure that will see the coach granted more tactical support (think this is to appease those on the outside labeling him as a poor match day coach, which many have no way of quantifying), relieved of responsibilities that aren't important to the progression of the team on-field, and yet, still held to account for what we achieve in 2015.

This isn't an admission of incompetency on McCartney/the club's part. It might be worth considering that 3 years ago, we weren't in a position to appoint this many coaches/performance staff. Rather, the club is stable, financially and interpersonally, and they've had the opportunity and good sense to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, and use the review to strengthen the club.
Where are the flogs who assured us that McCartney would be sacked at a Board meeting to be held yesterday?

There was no Board meeting yesterday and of course no coach sacking and therefore no credibility for the "sack Macca" crew.
Are you... no... could you possibly be asking that those who were wrong, front up and admit they were wrong?
 

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I'm very happy with the review.

- Macca acknowledges he himself needs to improve

- Board acknowledges Macca needs support and plans to give it to him

- Board and Macca acknowledge that players may have been taken aback by player reviews but make no apologies for letting players know their performances at end of season were unacceptable

As someone who is neutral on the Macca issue, this is exactly what I wanted to hear.
 

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I'm very happy with the review.

- Macca acknowledges he himself needs to improve

- Board acknowledges Macca needs support and plans to give it to him

- Board and Macca acknowledge that players may have been taken aback by player reviews but make no apologies for letting players know their performances at end of season were unacceptable

As someone who is neutral on the Macca issue, this is exactly what I wanted to hear.
Would love to know who did the review?

Hope it was not the same people who gave the contract extension.
 

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The same people would be responsible for both decisions. Who do you think makes these sorts of decisions?
Reviews could be done by a single person and/or multiple persons. At times can be an internal person or an external person can be hired to conduct the review.

As for decisions some need to be made by the Board and other decisions by whoever has the jurisdiction to make a decision in that particular area without having to consult anyone else.
 

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Reviews could be done by a single person and/or multiple persons. At times can be an internal person or can be an external person can be hired.

As for decisions some need to be made by the Board and other decisions by whoever has the jurisdiction to make a decision in that particular area without having to consult anyone else.
The decision is what's important, not who wrote the report. The decision to extend McCartney and the decisions to respond to our season and allocate more resources to the coaching panel are all Board decisions. The CEO would first have signed off and presented recommendations to the Board in both cases.
 
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Reviews could be done by a single person and/or multiple persons. At times can be an internal person or an external person can be hired to conduct the review.

As for decisions some need to be made by the Board and other decisions by whoever has the jurisdiction to make a decision in that particular area without having to consult anyone else.
So it could have been one or more people, internally or externally, possibly with the involvement and approval of the board, or possibly with the involvement of someone else approved by the board?

Do you, by any chance, work for the Nation Building Authority? :D
 

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So it could have been one or more people, internally or externally, possibly with the involvement and approval of the board, or possibly with the involvement of someone else approved by the board?

Do you, by any chance, work for the Nation Building Authority? :D
What really matters is we look forward not upward, backward not forward and always twirling, twirling towards freedom.
 

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What about McKenna or Sanderson as an assistant coach?
Would be excellent choices - Sanderson is supposed to be tactically astute. Macca would need to be comfortable with whoever is chosen but I wouldn't think that either of them would threaten him.
 
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It appears that most of the rumours were true. The players were pissed off about the exit interviews, and the coach's position has been reviewed, but in the end the club has baulked at making the hard decision to cut him loose.

'The review strongly indicated that McCartney is the man to lead the Dogs but must be surrounded by as much coaching depth as possible'

Which I interpret as; the club has decided to not to terminate his contract but thinks it needs a bunch of new people to come in because it realises he isn't very good at a lot of things.

We are now going into the trade period committed to a senior coach who the club publicly admits is not very good tactically, or in how he deals with players, happens to have an abysmal winning percentage, and lacks AFL playing experience. Oh and apparently he needs his old mate at Essendon to admonish our senior players in public to help shore up his position.

Does anyone really think that disgruntled players will be satisfied by this outcome, and everything will be hunky dory next year?
Your analysis is spot on Proffessor although at this point in time it probably wasn't going to be financially practical to finish Brendan McCartneys tenure. The two year extension deal was the error and realistically the end of the 2015 season is the flashpoint unless we want to go down the untried path again.
The comments from the review were not ringing endorsements for the coach. It appears that he has match day limitations ; has had personnel management issues ; memberships 10,000 below target ; and he has clearly not appointed people with enough coaching depth around him to complement his strengths. What I would have loved the club to do is to come out and say " The reasons we believe Brendan McCartney is the right choice are...
 

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So it could have been one or more people, internally or externally, possibly with the involvement and approval of the board, or possibly with the involvement of someone else approved by the board?

Do you, by any chance, work for the Nation Building Authority? :D
Nope I don't FYI.
 

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Where are the flogs who assured us that McCartney would be sacked at a Board meeting to be held yesterday?

There was no Board meeting yesterday and of course no coach sacking and therefore no credibility for the "sack Macca" crew.
Well they haven't come back to apologise, so as predicted, they have disappeared back into their holes.
 

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God knows I can be critical of our current coach
In particular I struggled to comprehend our selection policy this year
But I look at our list evolution from 2011 and see so much more back bone
Moreover I am impressed that where as eade retained over dozen or more players I could never see making afl standard macca has this number down to a handful and after this draft trade period perhaps no more than a couple.

I have to question the sincerity or even intellect of those who continuously see nothing more than the win loss ratio.

Even If I entertain the most cynical view of macca - I would desperately want him to stay another season to continue adding to the list of young guns .

To continue with this crusade requires a mind commited to deliberately undermine the club a form of bastardry or a mind suffering from a disassociative borderline psychotic disorder
 

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No what I am saying was that he was inexperienced as a AFL coach and might have needed help around him, if 3 years down the track it was obvious that he didn't need help so be it But as management its your role to make sure that your end result is not based solely on one person and you work part of a team and make sure that the team is well balanced
That means you should as a member demand those who hired Macca, resign in disgrace.
 

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Very happy with the rewiew, just blind faith posts on here that everything is fine, like hell.
I would Love to see Scott West involved.
Macca has appointed mates, yes, they read well, do they protect your decencies, I think not.
Time to appoint people, who will question, debate, and get the job done.
By the way, this does not include Chris Maple.
He can stay at Footscray.
What are you, a relative of Scotty's or what?
 
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