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I STILL HAVE FAITH
COME AT ME THREAD

I WILL 1V1 YOU ALL!!!
Faith in what exactly?
We seem to have a coach who has a solid "theory" about building a list, but the implementation on match day is abominable. I don't completely disagree with the type of list he is building, but he has no tactical nous in a game. Any sense of improvement at all this year has just been wiped away. That may be unfair, but tonight is an absolutely putrid result - there is no way to sugarcoat it...None.
 

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Higgins I will agree with you, but you cannot call Gia a fairy, what absolute rot! Gia has kept this team in the hunt for their wins and played a pivotal role in their last quarter comeback. And I agree with you about McCartney, have said it for 2 years, he is a great development coach, but he is plainly out of his depth as a Senior Coach. He must go at the end of this season. If he stays, be prepared for more pain!

Gia does not play and never has played hard footy.
He skirts around the fringes and tries to run his player under the ball and turn them.

Although he has been very good at that he IS EXACTLY WHAT MACCA SAID HE WOULDN'T PLAY! I will not play anyone who won't get their own ball. That was his comment

I'm not saying Gia isn't effective but he is the opposite of what he said he would play
 
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He said he will not play guys who won't have a crack but week in week out he plays the bloody fairies Higgins and Gia who wouldn't know what a hard ball get was if you showed them a video if it
Higgins hasn't played for weeks, and Gia is our only regularly contributing forward.

I think tonight was absolute **** as well, but making outlandish statements doesn't help.
 

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Faith in what exactly?
We seem to have a coach who has a solid "theory" about building a list, but the implementation on match day is abominable. I don't completely disagree with the type of list he is building, but he has no tactical nous in a game. Any sense of improvement at all this year has just been wiped away. That may be unfair, but tonight is an absolutely putrid result - there is no way to sugarcoat it...None.
when you have a young list and senior players that can't carry 8 kids to a victory of course we are going to struggle

always judge a coach by his 3rd or 4th year

thank you very much
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Enough of the bagging of Macca. We get you don't think he can coach. Not sure myself.

Give alternatives and why they would be better and what it would take to get them
 

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Higgins hasn't played for weeks, and Gia is our only regularly contributing forward.

I think tonight was absolute **** as well, but making outlandish statements doesn't help.

Not outlandish at all

What are the 2 things McCartney said in his first interview

1- we will work on our defensive football firstly and work from there
2- I will not play anyone who will not put his head over the ball

1- we are rubbish defensively all over the ground and are no better than round 1 2012
2- regardless how good Gia has been he has NEVER put his head over to ball and never will and Highins is pathetic and played every week he was available

Not outlandish one bit

As I coach you set rules from day one and he has not followed his first 2 statements at all.
 

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Getting sick of all you pro macca people...........he cannot coach, he will never be able to coach!!!!

He is a great assistant coach and that is about it!!! The sooner we sack him the better
 

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when you have a young list and senior players that can't carry 8 kids to a victory of course we are going to struggle

always judge a coach by his 3rd or 4th year

thank you very much
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Stop with the excuse of young kids, all teams in the AFL have young kids, but what some teams have are better coaches teaching these young kids to play better football, if you want to judge McCartney by the 3rd or 4th year, good luck! I noticed Melbourne didn't even bother judging Neeld by 3 or 4 years, they admitted they made a mistake in recruiting him, we have to admit to erring in giving the job to McCartney.
 

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Getting sick of all you pro macca people...........he cannot coach, he will never be able to coach!!!!

He is a great assistant coach and that is about it!!! The sooner we sack him the better
Don't necessarily disagree with you.

Who replaces him, what do they bring, and is probable we could get them?
 

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Stop with the excuse of young kids, all teams in the AFL have young kids, but what some teams have are better coaches teaching these young kids to play better football, if you want to judge McCartney by the 3rd or 4th year, good luck! I noticed Melbourne didn't even bother judging Neeld by 3 or 4 years, they admitted they made a mistake in recruiting him, we have to admit to erring in giving the job to McCartney.
then i accept that good luck
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always judge a coach by his 3rd or 4th year
Is that a serious statement?

Royce Hart, Peter Rohde, Mark Neeld, Michael Voss and Dean Bailey say hello...

Some coaches who struggled early at least had a tactical plan, i.e. Clarkson, that evolved as the team improved. What is BMac's tactical plan? I think Gia showed an understanding of the game and a player's place in it last week when miked. I wonder what a similar experiment in our coaching box would show...
 

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Stop with the excuse of young kids, all teams in the AFL have young kids, but what some teams have are better coaches teaching these young kids to play better football, if you want to judge McCartney by the 3rd or 4th year, good luck! I noticed Melbourne didn't even bother judging Neeld by 3 or 4 years, they admitted they made a mistake in recruiting him, we have to admit to erring in giving the job to McCartney.
Who replaces him, what do they bring that's an improvement, is it realistic?
 

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Enough of the bagging of Macca. We get you don't think he can coach. Not sure myself.

Give alternatives and why they would be better and what it would take to get them
I am not the only one here that thinks he cannot coach, reckon about 20 others here are on the same page. I believe someone such as Scott West at Werribee would be better, heard good things about Westy and he wants to coach the Bulldogs. Least he could teach the players better skills. Mark Williams is one I would love to have, he is a players coach, proven, successful premiership coach. Ratten would be good as well, was a good coach at Carlton, just he didn't have a board that backed him. Leon Cameron should have coached this club, he wanted the job, too late now, we have this stiff from Geelong.
 

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Enough of the bagging of Macca. We get you don't think he can coach. Not sure myself.

Give alternatives and why they would be better and what it would take to get them

Alternatives?

Number one would be Roos. A pipe dream but Gordon and Alberti both have money coming out the butts so let's see them put up and stop just talking. Refer to him breaking the longest premiership drought at the swans and now wanting him to break ours which is currently the longest drought. He really doesn't want to coach til end of next year when his kids finish year 12 so keep the moron until then but have Roos in background starting to plan

Williams - we surely have a better younger list than Melbourne and he is dying to get back into coaching. Has the mongrel required to make us tough and has been sensational with kids last 3 years at GWS and tigers

Ayres - been absolutely brilliant at stand alone Port Melbourne and has great hair
 
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Not outlandish at all

What are the 2 things McCartney said in his first interview

1- we will work on our defensive football firstly and work from there
2- I will not play anyone who will not put his head over the ball

1- we are rubbish defensively all over the ground and are no better than round 1 2012
2- regardless how good Gia has been he has NEVER put his head over to ball and never will and Highins is pathetic and played every week he was available

Not outlandish one bit

As I coach you set rules from day one and he has not followed his first 2 statements at all.
Regardless of whether Higgins was selected weeks ago or not has no bearing on tonigh's capitulation.

If you believe Gia has never put his head over the ball, you are deluded. He plays the role now he needs to play, and yes he can appear lazy - but he has played midfield well, winning contested possessions consistently, and has collected larger bodies along the way.
 

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Alternatives?

Number one would be Roos. A pipe dream but Gordon and Alberti both have money coming out the butts so let's see them put up and stop just talking. Refer to him breaking the longest premiership drought at the swans and now wanting him to break ours which is currently the longest drought. He really doesn't want to coach til end of next year when his kids finish year 12 so keep the moron until then but have Roos in background starting to plan

Williams - we surely have a better younger list than Melbourne and he is dying to get back into coaching. Has the mongrel required to make us tough and has been sensational with kids last 3 years at GWS and tigers

Ayres - been absolutely brilliant at stand alone Port Melbourne and has great hair
Roos who says he does not want to coach, ayers who was run out of Geelong and Adelaide.

Williams, maybe but left port in interesting circumstances and is not pushed by his former players.

None of the Macca haters have said what these guys would o different or better to be an improvement
 
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I'm not keen on Williams, and highly doubt we could entice Roos or Bomber Thompson.

That leaves Ayres, Knights, Ratten, Eade(!), M. Harvey, maybe Worsfold, if considering an experienced coach.

Or do we try another assistant, but this time back them up with experience, or try something like Ayres with Ling to learn the ropes and a possible succession plan? I don't know, and I don't even know if getting rid of the current coach now is the right move, but if we lose next week, I think he would be on thin ice at the end of the season.
 
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