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ianI think he would benefit greatly from a clear number 2 coach as ll similiar to mark thompson, problems are 1 who such as paul roos, mark williams, or other established coach would join and 2 we need that tactician to share same football philosophies as macca. But i think its probably required if we have a poor rest of season.
Good idea by threenewpadlocksI think it's safe to say we fall into four categories:
1. He's will be a great coach
2. I'm not sure, I rate him but wait and see
3. I'm prepared to give him time but I don't think he has it
4. Sack him now.
I'm in group three. I don't really reckon he has what it takes, but I'm willing to wait and see and hope to be proven wrong.
Best to just keep it all in one thread. People can say which they prefer.Good idea by threenewpadlocks
So lets do it.. I'm personally in catergory 2.
I think it is way too early to tell.
This way we can gauge where everyone is at.
BTW: Not sure if want to merge this with original thread.
Nice. Lets all nominate a category and be done with it. Category 3 for me as well.
McCartney isn't the one we all hoped he would be, c'est la vie, let's keep searching.
That no one on this board has indicated that they think McCartney is a great coach is a critical issue?It is interesting that most people seem to be going for the 'need more time to judge' options.
I wonder how much worse the results would have to be for those people to make an earlier call?
Most importantly, I haven't seen anyone indicate that they think he is a great coach. This is a critical issue, because as one of the poor clubs of the AFL, one that doesn't have the same cash and media profile as the rich clubs (and as a result typically gets a tough draw too). We need a great coach if we are going to win a premiership. (Sorry DogDays wrote this before I saw your post)
Now that it is apparent that McCartney isn't one, it is time to try to find a new great hope.
Before people start harrasing me to nominate someone like they have with Ernie. I actually think that the responsibility for making that decision needs to fall back on the club, but there are certainly a range of options out there. We could try to entice an experienced coach such as Paul Roos, Mark Williams, Leigh Matthews, or perhaps even Neal Daniher. We could also try an untried assistant/vfl/sanfl/wafl coach again if he interviews and checks out well. However, on this front I think we would need to make sure that we review our previous selection processes to see where we could improve upon the last time.
In the mean time we could throw someone in as caretaker and see if they have what it takes, e.g Peter German. It might even be a chance to give a taste to a recent past club great to see if they have the passion and skills to coach e.g. Chris Grant, Brad Johnson or Steve Kretiuk.
Considering the recent results of McCartney, there is minimal risk in changing coaches now. It is difficult to imagine anyone doing much worse, but easy to imagine someone doing better. Importantly, it would also give the club renewed hope and help with membership sales next year. McCartney isn't the one we all hoped he would be, c'est la vie, let's keep searching.
Alright then. What coach do you suggest we hire? Please give me some names.Where did I say an experienced coach?
That no one on this board has indicated that they think McCartney is a great coach is a critical issue?
I see that. My point is that we as posters are not that well placed to judge at the moment because we don't know the specifics of the day in day out progression of the squad. There are holes in the list (we are rebuilding) and there are injuries so win/loss results are not great currently. We know, however, that many great players associated with McCartney over a period of time rate him as a great coach, and in some cases, the best coach they've had. So it's hard overlook to the recommendation of great players with first hand experience. I don't think we can accurately say he is or he isn't in respect of us at the present moment but we tend to believe one way or the other.I said I felt he was a great coach. I am prepared to stand up and say it.
in all honestly we arent far off the pace. we have had a few shockers this year, but on the whole, we are quote competitive, we just lack that polish being a young side. and getting all those injuries in round 2 didnt help either.. we are at least competitive when you say compare us to Melbourne. We have a lot more to work with. you can see the effort is there, just young, fatigued at the end of quarters, and lack polish.
add 2-3 more good quality draft picks at the end of the year, and turn over the last of the s**t and we are on the right track
macca needs more time.
I fully agree with this. I have been able to make it to a few more games this year and while the frustration of watching a team with awful skills and laughable decision making has been huge it is countered a little by seeing genuine improvement in the players ability to win the contest and create opportunities (admittedly to be squandered by a stupid skill error). I was surprised how close we were to Geelong for most of the game and the same against North. I like what Macca is doing and he deserves more time. Our problems stem from poor drafting well before he got to the club.
I want to ask those who ask us to believe in their false prophet one simple question, and i dont wanna here anymore bullshit about lists, about recruits, about years in the system because and the end of the day if u wanna wear the jumper and show off to friends that your an afl footballer - u better perform no excuses. Every game starts 22v22. Guess what every fricken team has young old and somewhere in the middle players in age we are no anomaly.