The what if thread

[BarryMorgan]

The slide is on.

Their player development is the best in the comp, so we’ll wait and see. Them and to a lesser extent, the Cats, seem to be able to continue to unearth gems on a continual basis.

 

[Bungeye]

What if Mick Malthouse was still coach of Collingwood, how many more premierships?

 

[Big Blood]

What if Daniel Chick hadn't had his finger amputated? Would he have made that smother?

 

[mianfei]

What if Mick Malthouse was still coach of Collingwood, how many more premierships?

I don’t think any more, simply because their prime movers of 2010 and 2011 could not keep up their amazing form of those seasons.

What if.. Dangerfield decided to stay at the crows for another two years..

Would he have made all the difference to the crows in both 2016 and 2017?... you’d have to think he would be been a massive in. I will never forget the look on his face in the last few minutes of that 2017 prelim in adelaide last year.. was it a look of “what could’ve been”?.. who knows.

He may be a bit of a knob off the field at times but he’s an unbelievable player.. I loved him as a crow and still rate him as a cat... like dusty, Dangerfield is the type of player that wins you grandfinals..

He would likely have made a lot of difference to the Crows in 2016 and 2017. Given the talent and home-and-away record they had, the Crows in not playing in even a Grand Final were certainly underachievers during the 2000s, and Dangerfield is certainly a player of enough class that Adelaide would certainly have had a chance to win a third and fourth AFL premiership after a lapse in the first few years of the 2010s.

The Brisbane Bulldogs would've had continuity on their side compared to the Bears cobbling a team together from scratch, but the Bears struggled their first 6 years in part due to not actually playing in Brisbane.

If I could go back in time and do over the introduction of a Brisbane team the first thing I would do is not have them playing out of Gold Coast.

Location of ground would have been a big issue in any Bulldog relocation to Brisbane, but how hard would it have been for the early 1980s VFL to plan for playing in Brisbane given that they failed to do so in 1987 during a major expansion plan??

Three further issues (this is not exhaustive) of a Footscray relocation to Brisbane, independent of and isolated from potential benefits to neighbouring power clubs Essendon and North Melbourne, are:

1. Would Gippsland Bulldog recruits (e.g. Brian Royal) have been more willing to live in Brisbane than South Melbourne’s largely metropolitan zone recruits were to live in Sydney??
2. How would the VFL have had the relocated Bulldogs owned??
3. If the relocation did improve the Bulldogs’ competitiveness beyond a record of only ten wins in three seasons between 1980 and 1982, what would the VFL’s next plans for geogrpahic expansion have been?? Relocating Fitzroy to Canberra is one idea, or would St. Kilda have been the next relocation target, and how would these have been done?

 

[Number37]

What if the Giants and Suns never came into existence?

 

[Scotland]

What if the Giants and Suns never came into existence?

We'd have pick 1 and 17 in 2010. No guarantee we'd make the same picks but Gaff/Darling > Swallow/Atley.

Be an interesting parallel to see where clubs sat over 2011/12 to now if all the players taken by GC/GWS were reallocated across the league.

 

[Bungeye]

I don’t think any more, simply because their prime movers of 2010 and 2011 could not keep up their amazing form of those seasons.He would likely have made a lot of difference to the Crows in 2016 and 2017. Given the talent and home-and-away record they had, the Crows in not playing in even a Grand Final were certainly underachievers during the 2000s, and Dangerfield is certainly a player of enough class that Adelaide would certainly have had a chance to win a third and fourth AFL premiership after a lapse in the first few years of the 2010s.
Location of ground would have been a big issue in any Bulldog relocation to Brisbane, but how hard would it have been for the early 1980s VFL to plan for playing in Brisbane given that they failed to do so in 1987 during a major expansion plan??

Three further issues (this is not exhaustive) of a Footscray relocation to Brisbane, independent of and isolated from potential benefits to neighbouring power clubs Essendon and North Melbourne, are:

1. Would Gippsland Bulldog recruits (e.g. Brian Royal) have been more willing to live in Brisbane than South Melbourne’s largely metropolitan zone recruits were to live in Sydney??
2. How would the VFL have had the relocated Bulldogs owned??
3. If the relocation did improve the Bulldogs’ competitiveness beyond a record of only ten wins in three seasons between 1980 and 1982, what would the VFL’s next plans for geogrpahic expansion have been?? Relocating Fitzroy to Canberra is one idea, or would St. Kilda have been the next relocation target, and how would these have been done?

You're wrong again!!! Collingwood were actually starting to get in their prime! The 2010 premiership team was one of the youngest teams!!!!

 

[Number37]

We'd have pick 1 and 17 in 2010. No guarantee we'd make the same picks but Gaff/Darling > Swallow/Atley.

Be an interesting parallel to see where clubs sat over 2011/12 to now if all the players taken by GC/GWS were reallocated across the league.

I reckon Boyd wouldn't be on a million & Hawks would never have won 3 flags in a row.

 

[Scotland]

I reckon Boyd wouldn't be on a million & Hawks would never have won 3 flags in a row.

Former definitely. Latter possibly. Expansion drafts definitely framed their recruiting decisions and influenced other teams draft prospects, but they were an 18 win side before GWS came along. 2010 draft (pre Gold Coast) they added Hale from a trade and Issac Smith at pick 19. Arguably could've had Tom Lynch if not for the concessions...

 

[citizen-erased]

What if the Giants and Suns never came into existence?

Unpicking this would be quite the exercise.
No mini drafts. The talent pool spread across the 16 teams (think about the likes of Lynch, Shiel, Cameron, Greene, Kelly, etc).
Ablett stays at Geelong. Ward at the bulldogs. Scully at Melbourne.

 

[B4Bear]

All 0ther things being equal, what if North had landed Kelly and Martin? Oh boy, wowee.

 

[citizen-erased]

All 0ther things being equal, what if North had landed Kelly and Martin? Oh boy, wowee.

it would be interesting to consider what both would have cost you.

My feelings are you'd have lost both your 2017 1st rd pick (LDU) and this years.
Neither pick alone lands those players, so there would be players of consequence added.

So my gut feel is a deal could be worked out with St Kilda to use Brown to replace Riewoldt.
Brown and 2017 1st for their two 2017 1sts.

You send both those 1sts to one club for their player and their late 2017 1st in return.
Send the late 2017 1st and your 2018 1st to the other club for the other player.

Means no LDU or 2018 pick and Brown
But you have Martin and Kelly kicking it to Waite and Wood.

Would you make that deal?

 

[Damon_3388]

What if Mick Malthouse was still coach of Collingwood, how many more premierships?

None, because the group and gameplan had peaked already.

I doubt he would have stuck out another re-fresh/re-build either.

 

[Damon_3388]

We'd have pick 1 and 17 in 2010. No guarantee we'd make the same picks but Gaff/Darling > Swallow/Atley.

Be an interesting parallel to see where clubs sat over 2011/12 to now if all the players taken by GC/GWS were reallocated across the league.

Surely given the hype over him at the time (he was projected to be a superstar), the Eagles would have picked WA native David Swallow at #1.

 

[Damon_3388]

If I could go back in time and do over the introduction of a Brisbane team the first thing I would do is not have them playing out of Gold Coast.

When you think about it now, it pretty farcical that it happened in the first place.

 

[Scotland]

Surely given the hype over him at the time (he was projected to be a superstar), the Eagles would have picked WA native David Swallow at #1.

I reckon that's who we would've picked for sure.

When you think about it now, it pretty farcical that it happened in the first place.

They played solely at Carrara the first 4 years, then played 4 at the Gabba in 1991, none in 1992 as the renos started and the dog track was removed then all at the Gabba since. Weird.

 

[Bungeye]

None, because the group and gameplan had peaked already.

I doubt he would have stuck out another re-fresh/re-build either.

You're wrong again!!! Collingwood were actually starting to get in their prime! The 2010 premiership team was one of the youngest teams!!!!

 

[Roylion]

Relocating Fitzroy to Canberra is one idea,

The AFL didn't want Fitzroy in Canberra, despite Fitzroy offering to play seven home games there in 1996.

 

[dean33]

What if Mick Malthouse was still coach of Collingwood, how many more premierships?

None but you would have Daisy Thomas, Harry o, Liam jones and Blaine Boekhorst on your list and the blues would be in a much better position.

 

[dean33]

What if the tigers selected pavlich instead of fiora and buddy instead of tambling? Imagine pav, buddy and richo in the same team. Wow.

 

[Captain_Bender]

What if the tigers selected pavlich instead of fiora and buddy instead of tambling? Imagine pav, buddy and richo in the same team. Wow.

Fyfe instead of Griffiths in 2009

 

[master bate]

Not sure if this one has been done but if the Hawks hired Terry Wallace as I'm sure many wanted them to do instead of Clarko then where would Hawthorn be now, who would've won the flags in 08, 13-15, who would've Richmond have hired and would another club have picked up Clarko - he was a well credentialed assistant - and if so which club?

 

[theyellowsash]

What if the main board were to stop bitching about the bulldogs and tigers?

We'd have a much more interesting forum.

 

[B4Bear]

it would be interesting to consider what both would have cost you.

My feelings are you'd have lost both your 2017 1st rd pick (LDU) and this years.
Neither pick alone lands those players, so there would be players of consequence added.

So my gut feel is a deal could be worked out with St Kilda to use Brown to replace Riewoldt.
Brown and 2017 1st for their two 2017 1sts.

You send both those 1sts to one club for their player and their late 2017 1st in return.
Send the late 2017 1st and your 2018 1st to the other club for the other player.

Means no LDU or 2018 pick and Brown
But you have Martin and Kelly kicking it to Waite and Wood.

Would you make that deal?

No.

But as it is a what ifthread I said all other things being equal; losing Brown is paying overs for either of those players.

 

[MarcusP2]

What if Jason Cloke was cleared to play in the 02 GF like Barry Hall was cleared in 05?

What if Jason Cloke didn't belt Tyson Edwards (or the game was played in Adelaide)?