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There's something funny about these close Hawthorn wins...

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To me I feel like all of this talk of bias etc is just an unhealthy mix of jealousy and hysteria from people who find it easier to apply delusional theories centred on external influences in order to help them cope with and understand why one team can be so successful, saying that the success is due to favouritism, bias or cheating or whatever all boils down to some kind of maladaptive coping mechanism.


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PerthBoy86 said:
Not all conspiracy theories are equal, like not all mysteries are. I won't go into it, probably no point, but it's arrogant to think we know the answers to everything, or the official story is right. No need to be a tin-hat wearing crazy to realise that...
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Of course not mate, but people are going to focus on your OP which is up in the clouds. PEDs, match fixing, based on your gut feeling that something is odd and some very loosely conceived circumstantial evidence. Anyone who disagrees is arrogant? There's some irony in there somewhere.
 
If it is down to the wire in the GF, it wouldn't surprise me to see some sniping action against Shaun Burgoyne and Cyril Rioli. Talk about two ridiculous matchwinners, they seem to do it so often in the big ones (and when the Hawks indeed do lose, they nevertheless do something highly threatening).

Experienced champion teams tend to win the close ones more often than not. Bruce's Hawks bias also continues to plumb new lows.
 

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Coming from a west coast supporters? Please. These are the free kick differential since 2012 for each team.
(Posted by "youmewe" on the freo page)


    1. West Coast are second in the league in terms of free kicks received per game (19.80). Pipped by Richmond's 19.88.
      West Coast are eighteenth in the league in terms of free kicks against per game (16.53).

    2. West Coast's free kick differential of +3.27 per game leads the league...by miles. It translates to a +350 tally in total.

      Team: Free kick differential per game:

      West Coast: +3.27 (+350)

      Daylight

      More daylight

      Norf: +1.05 (+114)

      Ninthmond: +0.88 (+92)

      Adelaide: +0.80 (+85)

      Carrrton: +0.80 (+83)

      Collingwood: +0.53 (+56)

      Western B's: +0.50 (+52)

      Hawthorn: +0.41 (+47)

      Essendon: -0.18 (-19)

      Port: -0.26 (-28)

      Sydney: -0.42 (-47)

      Geelong: -0.50 (-53)

      GWS: -0.63 (-64)

      Melbourne: -0.64 (-65)

      Gold Coast: -1.20 (-122)

      Freo: -1.26 (-140)

      St Kilda: -1.59 (-162)

      Brions: -1.76 (-180).
 
PerthBoy86 said:
I know I'm biased because I'm tired of watching these close games where Hawthorn pinch it week after week, all the gushing from the commentators (particularly Bruce), all that wasted energy, but I really am starting to wonder...

There is something funny about how Hawthorn are winning all these close games. Can you remember any team managing so many close ones, where things just go to script so predictably? Bulldogs, Saints, Crows, and now the Swans. This isn't thread the umps favouring them, it's more than that. I just think it's more than Hawthorn being a great team (which I admit, it undoubtedly is), or deserving to win. It just strikes me as odd, something about it just seems almost a little too convenient, too scripted, like a Hollywood film...

Every time it's the same. The Hawks seem to pinch a few quick goals near the very end, as if beating the buzzer, and they are all so fast, so easy, it just looks like they have such incredible luck. Some might say the footy gods are smiling on them. Every bounce, every kick, just seems to go there way. Also, it just seems Hawthorn get a lot of these quick, easy goals, far more than any other side. Like from turnovers they seem to find so much space, so much run...it always seems like they have more players, more space. It could be something tactical, like Clarkson has a whole new system of doing things that other teams haven't caught onto yet. It's not just playing well, but the way they play. Even when not playing well they find a way to win. It's like they don't need to do as much to win, which does come down to footy smarts, skill, and those subtle things, but still, would it be bold of me to suggest something awry?

I guess we could speculate. It does seem the umps do favour Hawthorn in crucial moments, but I still feel that alone can't explain it. Honestly, i don't think it's sour grapes, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they're being favoured, or they have something extra on their side. Who knows, maybe performance enhancing drugs? lol. Nah it'd be too easy a slander to make. But of course not impossible, but with no evidence we couldn't lay that charge. Oh how sweet if it WAS, however. Or indeed match fixing? Who's to say the AFL isn't immune to that? Make it so every team LOOKS like they might beat the Hawks, but have the players, coaches, umps.etc arrange it so a Hawk's victory is guaranteed every time, usually off the boot of golden boy Rioli or Puopolo or or something, who magically just slices through the packs, or takes a stunning mark every bloody time, just at the right moment, as if they're not there and boots a goal to put them in front with a minute to go or something. Once that happens you know the end of the story, it's as predictable as clockwork. Maybe it will feed into the story of the Hawk's as some superhuman, unbeatable team, maybe the AFL wants a 4-peat, maybe they want an upset. Maybe the bookies are in on it. I don't know. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy theory, but in all honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

Well if they are, I might as well put money for the Hawks to win the Grand Final by a point now.
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theres a glitch in the matrix
 
Bizarre thread :)
Hawthorn win close games because their pressure goes up. They win close games because they refuse to roll over and die when behind. They win games because they think they can win close games. They win close games because they practice how to win close games.
 
pjcrows said:
They do it because they practise it, have been doing so for 10 years, and have leaders that know exactly what to do and most importantly execute it.

I mean, Burgoyne, Lewis, Rioli, Mitchell, Smith do it every time FFS.
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This. Geelong had the same when they were up there. There were set plays that they had trained and could execute to win it from a goal or two down in the dying minutes of the game. There were one or two classics in the Kennett curse streak.

Such plays also become more reliable when most of the team are good kicks and they have one of the best clearance players in Mitchell.
 
Wil79 said:
If you watch the replay in slow motion, you can see the moment they switch the balls. Rioli's kick only went about 30 metres.
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With Kubrick dead, who is masterminding the filming? I know it's not J.J. Abrams, there weren't any lens flares.
 

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There were no free kicks paid to either side from when Sydney were 7 points up. Hill took 2 bounces so no free, maybe Rioli could have got front on contact but I didn't think it was there. As hard as I looked I couldn't see any umpiring misses in the last 4 minutes. What I did see was:
Jack misses shot at goal
Hill backing himself to take the game on bouncing twice and gets an overlap happening.
Hannebery dropping chest mark
Ceglar winning tap easily to Lewis quick hands to Burguyne for clearance and inside
Burgoyne clean pick up and straight kick from50 of 1 step.
Towers kick is OK but not perfect like Hawks kicks tend to be and
Frawley reads it well and lays great spoil
Hawks win awesome clearance, go back and watch it; Lewis 3rd man up perfect tap back to Mitchell who under to. Inch pressure to take possession volleys the ball 50m to Gunston has frony position and even though he couldn't mark through good pressure he has the skills to win possession and get quick hands to a hard running smith who kicks 50 meters of 1 step to Rioli. Rioli kicks 52m goal.

Let's look at the players and what they did please people's
 
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Bigfooty has always had some shit threats, but this is right up there with the worst.
 
kingswood71 said:
Bizarre thread :)
Hawthorn win close games because their pressure goes up. They win close games because they refuse to roll over and die when behind. They win games because they think they can win close games. They win close games because they practice how to win close games.
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The world needs more people like you with a healthy and balanced prospective.
 

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Spook said:
There were no free kicks paid to either side from when Sydney were 7 points up. Hill took 2 bounces, maybe Rioli could have got front on contact but I didn't think it was there. as hard as I looked I couldn't see any umpiring misses in the last 4 minutes. What I did see was:
Jack misses shot at goal
Hill backing himself to take the game on bouncing twice
Hannebery dropping chest mark
Ceglar winning tap easily to Lewis quick hands to Burguyne for clearance and inside
Burgoyne clean pick up and straight kick from50 of 1 step.
Towers kick is OK but not perfect like Hawks kicks tend to be and
Frawley reads it well and lays great spoil
Hawks win awesome clearance, go back and watch it, Lewis tapped back to Mitchell who volleys the ball 50m.
Gunston has from position and even though he couldn't mark has the skills to win possession and get quick hands to a hard running smith who kicks 50" of 1 step to Rioli. Rioli kicks 52m

Let's look at the players and what they did.
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Its a shame that among the frothing melts from fans and the media, this passage was largely ignored.

To paraphrase what you said:

Lewis went third man up, tapped it perfectly to Mitchell who kicked it out of mid air 50m along the boundary!
The ball was gathered and handed to Smith who kicked it another 50m along the boundary to hit the chest of a diving Rioli!!

Not withstanding Rioli's incredible kick that was an epic passage of play, pure skill.

While it is funny laughing at the headf*****, it gets a bit annoying that a play like this gets very little attention and guys like Andrew Wu write entire articles dedicated to a 50m penalty from a quarter earlier..
 
To me it's extra hilarious. Just the thought of Andrew Wu and his articles makes me crack up. Does Andrew Wu do anything apart from writing Swans' articles? Does he live in a cave and get fed bread and water?

Mr Meeseeks said:
Its a shame that among the frothing melts from fans and the media, this passage was largely ignored.

To paraphrase what you said:

Lewis went third man up, tapped it perfectly to Mitchell who kicked it out of mid air 50m along the boundary!
The ball was gathered and handed to Smith who kicked it another 50m along the boundary to hit the chest of a diving Rioli!!

Not withstanding Rioli's incredible kick that was an epic passage of play, pure skill.

While it is funny laughing at the headf*****, it gets a bit annoying that a play like this gets very little attention and guys like Andrew Wu write entire articles dedicated to a 50m penalty from a quarter earlier..
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Poor old hawthorn. Glasshouses, stones and boys that like to throw things.

In the past 5 seasons west coast have received 350 more free kicks than giving them away.
Hawthorn while still in the positive of freekicks received an extra 47.
  1. West Coast: +3.27 (+350)

    Norf: +1.05 (+114)

    Ninthmond: +0.88 (+92)

    Adelaide: +0.80 (+85)

    Carrrton: +0.80 (+83)

    Collingwood: +0.53 (+56)

    Western B's: +0.50 (+52)

    Hawthorn: +0.41 (+47)
 
mightymouse75 said:
Poor old hawthorn. Glasshouses, stones and boys that like to throw things.

In the past 5 seasons west coast have received 350 more free kicks than giving them away.
Hawthorn while still in the positive of freekicks received an extra 47.
  1. West Coast: +3.27 (+350)

    Norf: +1.05 (+114)

    Ninthmond: +0.88 (+92)

    Adelaide: +0.80 (+85)

    Carrrton: +0.80 (+83)

    Collingwood: +0.53 (+56)

    Western B's: +0.50 (+52)

    Hawthorn: +0.41 (+47)
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I know it wasn't your intention but many will take the above as gospel as apparently many believe free kick counts should be even in every game
 

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