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Where did you go last time?

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Gough and Plugger35. I see you have joined Igloo in the avatar changing evolution. I for one am not happy :mad:. I'm sure Shell agrees.
My Tom Waterhouse avatar is my punishment for finishing last this week in the Bay 13 tipping comp.

Hopefully should be able to change it back next week unless I finish last again.
 

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about a week in italy and croatia, about 10 weeks in greece.

mainly stayed with family and didn't do much touristy stuff except for italy
Nice work. The upside staying with family is you don't have to worry about forking out money for accommodation and whatnot.

I did a tour last time and saw London, Paris, Barcelona, Nice, Swiss Alps, Florence, Venice, Rome, Vatican, Pag Island (Croatian party island), Ljubljana, Tyrol, Prague, Berlin, Amsterdam. Then I did two weeks in London after the tour.

Going to London, Edinburgh, Paris, Rome, Berlin & Amsterdam this time, but with friends. Can't freaking waittttttt.
 

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Nice work. The upside staying with family is you don't have to worry about forking out money for accommodation and whatnot.

I did a tour last time and saw London, Paris, Barcelona, Nice, Swiss Alps, Florence, Venice, Rome, Vatican, Pag Island (Croatian party island), Ljubljana, Tyrol, Prague, Berlin, Amsterdam. Then I did two weeks in London after the tour.

Going to London, Edinburgh, Paris, Rome, Berlin & Amsterdam this time, but with friends. Can't freaking waittttttt.
sounds awesome.

Had free board and meals in greece for 10 weeks, was insane. Was living in a village of about 40 people. Also have what was basically a private beach just down from the grandparents place.

I'll see if i can dredge up photo's. If you want to do greece (as with every place i guess), going off the tourist track will serve you very well.
 

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sounds awesome.

Had free board and meals in greece for 10 weeks, was insane. Was living in a village of about 40 people. Also have what was basically a private beach just down from the grandparents place.

I'll see if i can dredge up photo's. If you want to do greece (as with every place i guess), going off the tourist track will serve you very well.
Yeah that's winning right there, would have saved you an absolute shitload.

I'm not sure if Greece interests me. I'm not really a beach guy (probably why Thailand etc doesn't appeal to me), but from what I have seen of Greece, I know it is magnificent.

One place worth seeing is Slovenia. Blew my mind.
 

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sounds awesome.

Had free board and meals in greece for 10 weeks, was insane. Was living in a village of about 40 people. Also have what was basically a private beach just down from the grandparents place.

I'll see if i can dredge up photo's. If you want to do greece (as with every place i guess), going off the tourist track will serve you very well.
Hey where are your rellos from? My Dad is from Samos.

Unfortuntely when I was there last year, I only managed to get to Corfu, Ios, Santorini and Athens. Would love to go back there one day tho.

And please, post the photos. :thumbsu:
 

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Citizen's arrest exists in Australia like any other country based on English common law. The precise limits vary slightly from state to state. Generally they need to have just committed an offence, you need to employ no more than reasonable force, and you need to deliver them into the custody of a constable or magistrate as soon as possible after executing the arrest.

It's generally not advisable. If something goes wrong you are massively exposed to being sued.
 

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Citizen's arrest exists in Australia like any other country based on English common law. The precise limits vary slightly from state to state. Generally they need to have just committed an offence, you need to employ no more than reasonable force, and you need to deliver them into the custody or a constable or magistrate as soon as possible after executing the arrest.

It's generally not advisable. If something goes wrong you are massively exposed to being sued.

Hmm it seems very wishy washy. Not sure what would be 'reasonable force' especially if somebody wants to get away desperately. I ask because I watched the below video (granted it was America) where apparently a guy was approached by a guy with a lead pipe during a road rage incident, at first I thought the guy was acting reasonably, holding the 'offender' down until the cops came but after a while it seemed like he was just crossing the line into assault.

 

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Also there are specific instances like under Australian law a pilot in command can restrain or put into custody someone who is causing trouble and someone who is reasonably suspected of committing an offence against the Civil Aviation Regs can be arrested without warrant by a member of the crew in the same way someone can be arrested by a cop.

I bet there would be a ton of other examples like this around as well.
 

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Hmm it seems very wishy washy. Not sure what would be 'reasonable force' especially if somebody wants to get away desperately.
It's less wishy washy if you're familiar with case law, because obviously the question of 'reasonable force' crops up a lot and there has been a lot of discussion by lawyers and judges in the past as to what it means. What they decided sets precedents and guidelines that courts are expected to follow in the future.

It's complicated because on one hand you can use reasonable force to detain them, but on the other hand you have a duty of care towards the person you are detaining. One can't infringe on the other, which means sometimes it's not possible to detain someone using reasonable force. For example, if I wanted to arrest a guy twice as big as me I couldn't beat him unconscious with a crowbar. The fact that it's necessary in order to execute the arrest because it's the only way I am physically capable of subduing him isn't a justification.

That's part of the reason it's best to leave it to the police. They've got a lot more training and experience in terms of understanding what a magistrate will judge to be reasonable when it comes before a court.
 

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Also there are specific instances like under Australian law a pilot in command can restrain or put into custody someone who is causing trouble and someone who is reasonably suspected of committing an offence against the Civil Aviation Regs can be arrested without warrant by a member of the crew in the same way someone can be arrested by a cop.

I bet there would be a ton of other examples like this around as well.

I've heard of this too. Same deal with transit guards having the power of arrest. It's strange that the same powers can be entrusted into the average Joe though.
 

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Just a question: does 'citizen's arrest' exist in Aus, and if so what are the boundaries?
In Western Australia it's covered in the Criminal Code, can't remember what section off the top of my head.

Some basics:

- has to be an offence which would carry a term of imprisonment
- you have to know they've committed the offence, not just think they might have
- be very careful if using force
- don't do it


EDIT: I forgot about the criminal investigation act which came in a few years back and took over a lot of that sort of power and procedural stuff from the criminal code, so it may not be in the criminal code at all any more.

EDIT 2: it's in section 25 - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/cia2006243/s25.html
 

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Why not just scrap the rule altogether? They've clearly made it just about impossible for you to pull off a citizen's arrest without crossing some legal boundaries. Unless of course you 'arrest' someone that's completely willing to accompany you to the cop shop or wait with you while the police arrive.
 

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Well first off, it's not impossible. It's just difficult and worth avoiding in most circumstances.

Secondly, if we banned everything that people didn't do very often then we'd live in a pretty restrictive society. The right of a citizen to apprehend someone committing an offence is well-established and dates back to the middle ages. It's not something I would be keen to give up, even if I don't anticipate using it.
 
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