Science/Environment Things more likely to give you blood clots than Covid vaccines.

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Professor Sir Munir Pirmohamed, the chair of the Committee of Human Medicines, has stressed how it is "important to remember COVID-19 itself causes clotting and it causes lower platelets".

He also said despite more women getting blood clots after the jab, there is no evidence women are more likely to develop them.

He outlined how a recent paper had found:

• Pulmonary embolism, or clotting on the lungs, occurs in 7.8% of people who have COVID-19
• Deep vein thrombosis (DVT), or clotting in the legs, occurs in 11.2% of people who have COVID-19
• Of those who have COVID-19 and end up in an intensive therapy unit (ITU), 23% will have some form of clot
• COVID-19 causes strokes in 1.6% of people
• Up to 30% of people who have COVID-19 will get thrombocytopenia, which is a lowering of the platelet count.

 

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I think you get a blood clot by being struck by lightning:
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And a St kilda premiership also can cause a blood clot.
 

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The March data is more applicable. For under 30s in the UK there currently appears to be more risk from the vaccine than Covid-19. Hence MHRA policy changing so that those aged 18-29 will be offered an alternative vaccine, where available.

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Healthy children and younger adults have more chance of being struck by lightning than having a seriously bad health outcome or death from Covid.
 

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1. Covid-19


Professor Sir Munir Pirmohamed, the chair of the Committee of Human Medicines, has stressed how it is "important to remember COVID-19 itself causes clotting and it causes lower platelets".

He also said despite more women getting blood clots after the jab, there is no evidence women are more likely to develop them.

He outlined how a recent paper had found:

• Pulmonary embolism, or clotting on the lungs, occurs in 7.8% of people who have COVID-19
• Deep vein thrombosis (DVT), or clotting in the legs, occurs in 11.2% of people who have COVID-19
• Of those who have COVID-19 and end up in an intensive therapy unit (ITU), 23% will have some form of clot
• COVID-19 causes strokes in 1.6% of people
• Up to 30% of people who have COVID-19 will get thrombocytopenia, which is a lowering of the platelet count.


Trivialising a genuine safety issue in the way that you do isn't helpful.
 

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ICU admission.

Nothing about long term neurological effects.
Correct. Long term neurological effects don't appear to be a consideration in the decision to move away from the AstraZeneca vaccine for younger people.

ATAGI (Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation) consider that the individual benefit-to-risk balance of vaccination with COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca in Australia varies with age. The risk of ongoing health issues and death from COVID-19 is highest in older age groups, particularly rising from 50 years of age. By comparison, the rate, and thus possibility of disability and death from TTS (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) may be higher in younger people. This age-specific benefit-to-risk balance is demonstrated in an analysis from the UK.

The UK is currently at "low exposure risk". By the time the vaccine is rolled out to the under 40s, between May and July, the exposure risk will be lower again.
The UK's joint committee on vaccination and immunisation (JCVI) have said a fresh risk/benefit assessment of the vaccine in different age brackets would be made before the rollout reaches those under the age of 40. Australia would be currently be at "minimal exposure risk".
 

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Apparently the least expensive the vaccine the more likely it is to give you blood clots and be "paused".

AstraZeneca $2.15
Johnson and Johnson $10
Pfizer $19.50
Moderna $30
 

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Apparently the least expensive the vaccine the more likely it is to give you blood clots and be "paused".

AstraZeneca $2.15
Johnson and Johnson $10
Pfizer $19.50
Moderna $30
Has any clotting been reported from either the Russian or Chinese vaccines? I'm assuming that even if there had been clotting, it may be 'under-reported'.
 

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Has any clotting been reported from either the Russian or Chinese vaccines? I'm assuming that even if there had been clotting, it may be 'under-reported'.
These days everything seems to be either over reported or under reported.
 

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The Chinese vaccine seems to bring on an overwhelming desire to sleep hanging upside down.
jokes aside, the feedback on the chinese vaccine is pretty meh. apparently costs around USD 30 a dose, and is rumoured to be around 50% effective

zero word on the russian program (russians are sayings its over 90% effective, but no independent study has been done to validate this)
 

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