Mega Thread Things that Shit me part XII - The Twelfth One!

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Sorry. I want to hear about your plot for revenge :D

Yeah that's annoying. Are you going to talk to him about it?
I swear there’s a tv show where someone puts laxatives in their food, the culprit eats it and then questions them on why they put laxatives in the food and they come back screaming ‘if I want to put laxatives in my own food then I will!’. It could be a re-enactment.

I’ll send him a message, I barely see him as I leave at 5:30am and after gym and that I get home around 5ish and he goes to work at 3:30-10ish so I’m typically in bed when he gets home.
 

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I live with a friend who works in Youth intervention and she had to watch this show to keep up with the current zietgiest so she could be able to point out the flaws to her kids and how to properly approach depression and deal with these emotions. I think the opposition to the show really has more to do with the fact that it is aimed at at risk teens and whilst it does attempt to dissuade self-harm it does so very poorly to the point where it pretty much glorifies emotional blackmail by revenge-suicide. I remember when I was a teen and all the opposition to Emo music (which at least was publicly derided for doing the same thing) and would give a myopic, depressed teen who is looking for the easiest way to understand negative emotions a REALLY bad way to cope by giving them what is basically a poor fantasy narrative ("they'll be sorry when I'm gone, I bet they will").

In the end I feel in days past where parents had a bit more control over entertainment consumption via a remote in the loungeroom it would be more justifiable to forgive the show and switch the burden of responsibility to the parents. But in todays age of ease of access via streaming sites it's far easier for a teen to view these things because everyone else loves it and it is what is being talked about (and lord knows the two things guaranteed to get a teen to do something are peer pressure and being told not to by an authority figure). So the burden of responsibility has to shift with it from being solely individual and parent based to the content creators themselves I feel (again that is open to fair debate as I base my opinion there coming from a Public Health background)

So in summary: Yes I absolutely would blame the show. But whether or not complete censorship is a fair and just consequence/completely necessary is an argument of nuance between where that duty of responsibility for content consumption currently lies and whether or not it is fair to restrict the ability of the content creator to create revenue on the back of that. And that is just not a conversation you could really have here because too many people just refuse to approach complicated issues such as these because it is easier and more cathartic to reach a set in stone opinion based on a moral ideology (see the libertarian argument here trying to shift total responsibility to the individual).

My two cents, pardon the wall of text as I very seldomly post of BigFooty these days, let alone on General Discussion.
Pretty comprehensive take. I don’t agree with a lot of it but it’s a very reasonable take and I can see your point. The only thing I’d probably argue is it’s not aimed only at at risk youth, it’s just aimed at teens, we like to categorize teens into groups and in reality they (as we were as teens) are much more complex than most adults think. One of the things I think the show does really well is present all the characters as rounded and flawed, none of them is perfect and none of them (with probably one exception) is entirely bad. Maybe it’s a naive position but I think anything breaking down the taboo barrier of discussion around mental health, sexual assault, suicide and the plethora of other issues in a way that works and presents a fairly real and visceral representation is a good thing.

FWIW I would hazard a guess the Helen Lovejoys of the world just don’t like seeing how f**ked up the teenage world can be (and this show makes it clear it can be pretty awful)
 

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I swear there’s a tv show where someone puts laxatives in their food, the culprit eats it and then questions them on why they put laxatives in the food and they come back screaming ‘if I want to put laxatives in my own food then I will!’. It could be a re-enactment.

I’ll send him a message, I barely see him as I leave at 5:30am and after gym and that I get home around 5ish and he goes to work at 3:30-10ish so I’m typically in bed when he gets home.
Buy a bar fridge with freezer compartment and put in your room with lock on it or your door
 

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Wine drinkers is a fairly large subset of the population. Now I love gross generalistions as much as the next person but we're not all bad and Hitler was a tt.
Fair call. Now people who smoke weed are the devil, they are all drug addicts and prostitute themselves to support their habit, they'll probably OD and die soon enough though.
 

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Pretty comprehensive take. I don’t agree with a lot of it but it’s a very reasonable take and I can see your point. The only thing I’d probably argue is it’s not aimed only at at risk youth, it’s just aimed at teens, we like to categorize teens into groups and in reality they (as we were as teens) are much more complex than most adults think. One of the things I think the show does really well is present all the characters as rounded and flawed, none of them is perfect and none of them (with probably one exception) is entirely bad. Maybe it’s a naive position but I think anything breaking down the taboo barrier of discussion around mental health, sexual assault, suicide and the plethora of other issues in a way that works and presents a fairly real and visceral representation is a good thing.

FWIW I would hazard a guess the Helen Lovejoys of the world just don’t like seeing how f**ked up the teenage world can be (and this show makes it clear it can be pretty awful)
Yeah I'm pretty happy to agree to disagree on this one as you do present a pretty fair assessment based on the perspective of somebody who enjoys the show to the point where it may be beneficial. I'll admit to cherry picking a bit by implying it's only aimed at at risk teens because as you correctly identify it is aimed at all teens.

My only addition to that would be that, as you've articulated, a lot of teens have rather complex lives that are readily dismissed by adults. The addition of being one of the first generations growing up with social media and a new way to bully and harass has made it quite a bit more complicated than even I would've experienced 10-15 years ago. Because of this, any kid who takes a negative interpretation of this show has the tools laid out for them to indulge in very self-esteem destroying practices and it doesn't present to the tools to demonstrate the methods of help.

I'd also like to contend with your point wrt breaking down walls and taboo that I wholeheartedly agree with it but to a point. Without adequate explanations (which the show could very well be building to in fairness but it hasn't indicated as much yet) and given the dramatic and at times hyperbolic ways in which these dark taboos are approached I'd postulate that it is no longer beneficial to merely break down barriers but instead encourage the pessimistic (pessimism, not cynicism) inner-narrative turning otherwise neutral or slightly positive experiences into downright awful ones internally and promote a negative emotional feedback loop without a positive method of release and reevaluation.

However, that is entirely up to the perspective of the viewer and as you say it could very well be interpreted positively by some or most who feel they can't talk about such issues so I am happy to merely have the discussion about it rather than being unhelpful and just blanketly decry it. Also I 100% agree with your final poimt regarding some of the more emotionally and intellectually immature responses that can be reached by some people.
 

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On 13 Reasons or whatever it's called

Having not watched it and not having a teenager in the house I feel extremely qualified to have opinions, lots of opinions

1) raskolnikov isn't your school catholic or something? can see them wanting to shut down any public discussion on the topic if so
2) William Wonka yeah I do the automatic breaking from the passenger seat frequently, I'm a terrible passenger
3) Suggesting violent video games lead to violence is pretty 90s, is it the 90s?
 
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Had a mate a few years ago who committed suicide family were staunch Catholics and the funeral had absolutely no mention of his suicide or depression, even at the wake the family and churchies refused to discuss it at all.
 

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maybe it was someone else, I thought I remember someone saying their school was against SSM and was willing to fire people about it
I recall a comment about someone saying their school (Catholic) would fire staff who got married (same-sex) Can't remmeber if it was on here or Reddit though
 

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That's something that shits me big time.

Religious schools willing to take taxpayers' money, but cite religious freedom and gain an exemption from following employment and anti-discrimination laws!

If you want to pick and choose which of the country's laws to follow, then like **** should you have access to the country's money.
 

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I recall a comment about someone saying their school (Catholic) would fire staff who got married (same-sex) Can't remmeber if it was on here or Reddit though
IIRC Rockingham High School or another school down that way sacked a teacher for being gay.
 
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Had a mate a few years ago who committed suicide family were staunch Catholics and the funeral had absolutely no mention of his suicide or depression, even at the wake the family and churchies refused to discuss it at all.
That's because in the Catholic church suicide meant automatic excommunication and an express elevator ride to hell. At least it did when I went to churchy-type school.
 
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Religious schools willing to take taxpayers' money, but cite religious freedom and gain an exemption from following employment and anti-discrimination laws!
Not to mention the extreme ironing of happily taking fistfuls of taxpayer coin, while being exempt from paying tax themselves. That shits *me* bigtime.
 

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I think it's pretty par for the course to not discuss the details of the death at a funeral, isn't it?
I lost a friend to suicide last year. His parents were separated but were both 7th Day Adventists (I didn't know this prior to the funeral). His father talked a bit about how much he must have been suffering/struggling and to please not blame ourselves or anybody else for what happened, but to support each other etc.

Such a terribly sad funeral. His poor mother, I will never forget how utterly broken she was.
 
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