Secondary Thinking about becoming a teacher

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Thanks for that. I’ll definitely do Humanities then, with the extra VCE options it gives.

I’m not that keen on Media Studies but is there that much point in doing History? If Humanities allows me to teach VCE history anyway (even if it takes some time to get a VCE spot), would having Media as one of my two areas improve my job prospects initially?
As Media is a smaller subject area with less teachers in general, it'd greatly improve your prospects of getting work as a casual relief teacher (CRT) – there's less people available to cover smaller subject areas, at least if my school's attempts at finding regular CRT is anything to go by.

That said, the Media jobs that go up are hotly contested, as there's less of them. A lot of hopeful Media teachers end up teaching a second method at their school before trying to introduce the subject via a younger years elective.

Source: pure anecdote, Media's one of my methods.

It's a fun subject, but it take a lot of work to build a successful program. It's more like PE in that can require a lot of resource management, group coordination, and the pressure to take on extra duties outside of class (school photographer for any school event, come on down...). It's an art subject, but it won't prepare you to teach other art subjects well.

On the other hand, there's more VCE History students (and hence jobs) across the state, and there's skills in teaching senior history that you probably won't get in a broader Humanities method, so this might be more useful if you'd like a longer contract ASAP.
 
Hey guys, sorry if I'm repeating this question...

Long time secondary teacher, first time AU/VIC/MELB teacher here.
I graduated 15 years ago and have spent most of the time since then living and working in schools OS.

is it still near on impossible to get a contract (when you're a newby)? After I got out of uni, I remember the style at the time was schools to offer 11 month contracts (unpaid summer break), is that still the done thing here (in Vic)? I had a colleague that had spent 3 consecutive years at the same school on those 11 month contracts, she ended up leaving the teaching game...

How common are long-term/ongoing contracts for new teachers?
 
Hey guys, sorry if I'm repeating this question...

Long time secondary teacher, first time AU/VIC/MELB teacher here.
I graduated 15 years ago and have spent most of the time since then living and working in schools OS.

is it still near on impossible to get a contract (when you're a newby)? After I got out of uni, I remember the style at the time was schools to offer 11 month contracts (unpaid summer break), is that still the done thing here (in Vic)? I had a colleague that had spent 3 consecutive years at the same school on those 11 month contracts, she ended up leaving the teaching game...

How common are long-term/ongoing contracts for new teachers?
Have been out of the game a few years, but pretty sure if you work the last day of term you get the holiday pay.
Ongoing positions are pretty easy to come by if you're good, but would usually start with a 1 or 2 year gig to prove yourself.
 

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Hey guys, sorry if I'm repeating this question...

Long time secondary teacher, first time AU/VIC/MELB teacher here.
I graduated 15 years ago and have spent most of the time since then living and working in schools OS.

is it still near on impossible to get a contract (when you're a newby)? After I got out of uni, I remember the style at the time was schools to offer 11 month contracts (unpaid summer break), is that still the done thing here (in Vic)? I had a colleague that had spent 3 consecutive years at the same school on those 11 month contracts, she ended up leaving the teaching game...

How common are long-term/ongoing contracts for new teachers?


They have to, at least in Queensland, give you annual leave pro rata for how long you've worked. So if you've worked 11 months you should get full holiday pay. The first year I moved to Queensland I worked a 6 month contract so got about 3 weeks pay over the Christmas holidays.
 
Deliverance thanks for letting me know! Is that standard across the country? I'll be trying to enter the Vic system, so I hope I can get in...I don't mind a year or so 'proving myself', it's just those horrid 11 month contracts I was dreading...

raskolnikov Pro rata sounds fine with me, as long as it's honoured and I'm not treated like some 18th century itinerant labourer...

Thanks for the replies!
 
Deliverance thanks for letting me know! Is that standard across the country? I'll be trying to enter the Vic system, so I hope I can get in...I don't mind a year or so 'proving myself', it's just those horrid 11 month contracts I was dreading...

raskolnikov Pro rata sounds fine with me, as long as it's honoured and I'm not treated like some 18th century itinerant labourer...

Thanks for the replies!
Yep, that's in Vic. Not sure about auswide
 
How does it work in terms of teaching areas once you do have the qualifications to teach. I was very keen to do English as a teaching area in my masters, but there doesn't seem to be any wiggle room without enough English subjects in my undergraduate degree.

Is there a way down the track, once qualified as a teacher to add English somehow?
 
How does it work in terms of teaching areas once you do have the qualifications to teach. I was very keen to do English as a teaching area in my masters, but there doesn't seem to be any wiggle room without enough English subjects in my undergraduate degree.

Is there a way down the track, once qualified as a teacher to add English somehow?

More study to add to your existing qualifications. The Victorian Institute of Teaching requires an English teacher to have a major or minor study in English (Literature or Literary Studies) or a major or minor study in Writing, English Language Studies or Linguistics together with a part in English (Literature or Literary Studies), as part of the English specialist area.
 
THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL
Constructs buildings to get in teachers' way,
Acts as a shunting engine to get their own way,
Is just as fast as a speeding bullet, unless you're trying to organise something urgent.
Barely got their head above water if sea is calm,
Thinks they're God.

One of our assistant/deputy principals is like this. How the * he got into the position is beyond me.

We've just moved into new classrooms and one of my classes, the ratbag class, took it upon themselves to smash a brand new TV when they were told explicitly, several times, NOT to go into a breakout room, and other teachers were witness to these instructions. Yet, I get blamed by this ******** and can't take any classes, even my good classes into there, even though my regular classrooms are being painted and that's being delayed.

It's arseholes like this guy that makes someone want to quit. Now I know how a footy coach feels - easier to get rid of one instead of 18.
 
Just signed a contract to get back into the classroom for the first time since leaving Australia in ‘17. Looking forward to better pay again, and s**t loads more stress!


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Update on my previous post - this "ban" has now resulted in a bunch of students being unable to complete an assignment on time, as I had to give up computer room bookings and every other teacher has got them. I hope they're ******* happy - they've punished other classes because of one ratbag class.

Never piss off a Tech teacher - we are hard to find and harder to replace. And this lot ******* know it.
 

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Got my first contract this year.

If anyone else is thinking about being a teacher, CANNOT UN-RECOMMEND ENOUGH OH GOD OH GOD MAKE IT STOP PLEASE

Nah it's all good. I'm teaching in a category 1 (worst) school in Adelaide. The kids are so far behind the standard it's depressing, but otherwise the job is great.
 
The prospect of going back to Remote learning makes me pretty sad. Term Two was bad enough, the thought of going back to it is rather depressing.
I thought it would be a disaster for our school, but since putting all material and activities online, some of the more disengaged kids in the classroom have actually been doing more work. We have some who still haven't returned to school in Adelaide and some of them are turning in more work than they ever have. Will be interesting to see if any studies about this effect come out in the next year or so.
 
Hasn't been all bad. I can sleep in everyday because I don't have to travel and at 3-15 I'm already home, not getting ready to leave. But the bit I like best is no meetings. Hooray, just proves that meeting information can be done effectively by email.
Some kids handed in a lot of work from home. but not much when back at school.
It's interesting when students forget to turn off the microphone and you can hear parents in the background saying, "ask your teacher about it, go on" or "this is what you have to do" or "no, that's wrong go back and check your working out" or in one case "now I can see what your teacher has been talking about". Plenty of work in every class that seemed to be way above the students usual standard.
I must say though that my students have received a lot more feedback on their work from me because EVERY piece of work submitted has been corrected and has written instruction on it before being sent back.
Who knows it might be good for teachers in the long run as parents will have a far greater understanding of what we do and how we do it.
 
Hasn't been all bad. I can sleep in everyday because I don't have to travel and at 3-15 I'm already home, not getting ready to leave. But the bit I like best is no meetings. Hooray, just proves that meeting information can be done effectively by email.
Some kids handed in a lot of work from home. but not much when back at school.
It's interesting when students forget to turn off the microphone and you can hear parents in the background saying, "ask your teacher about it, go on" or "this is what you have to do" or "no, that's wrong go back and check your working out" or in one case "now I can see what your teacher has been talking about". Plenty of work in every class that seemed to be way above the students usual standard.
I must say though that my students have received a lot more feedback on their work from me because EVERY piece of work submitted has been corrected and has written instruction on it before being sent back.
Who knows it might be good for teachers in the long run as parents will have a far greater understanding of what we do and how we do it.
Getting ready to leave at 3.15 ?😮😮
 
Hasn't been all bad. I can sleep in everyday because I don't have to travel and at 3-15 I'm already home, not getting ready to leave. But the bit I like best is no meetings. Hooray, just proves that meeting information can be done effectively by email.
Some kids handed in a lot of work from home. but not much when back at school.
It's interesting when students forget to turn off the microphone and you can hear parents in the background saying, "ask your teacher about it, go on" or "this is what you have to do" or "no, that's wrong go back and check your working out" or in one case "now I can see what your teacher has been talking about". Plenty of work in every class that seemed to be way above the students usual standard.
I must say though that my students have received a lot more feedback on their work from me because EVERY piece of work submitted has been corrected and has written instruction on it before being sent back.
Who knows it might be good for teachers in the long run as parents will have a far greater understanding of what we do and how we do it.
I teach 11 different classes, the workload when checking through and correcting all work became too much. Our meeting time increased. Work that you receive from students, how authentic is it if they are completing it from home?

The subjects I teach are much more practical based and discussion lead. It is not what I got into teaching for.
 
I teach 11 different classes, the workload when checking through and correcting all work became too much. Our meeting time increased. Work that you receive from students, how authentic is it if they are completing it from home?

The subjects I teach are much more practical based and discussion lead. It is not what I got into teaching for.
All I'm saying is there is an upside to it. I also teach a practical class and cannot do it properly from home.
 
What are your work hours then HBG?
Most days get in at about quarter to 8 and out at around 5. I'm generally in before most and out relatively late but most at my school would be 8.15ish to 4.30. Hard pressed to find many in after 8.30 or out before 4.15.

Maybe there's a difference in primary to secondary?
 

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