This ****** should have got a life ban on pets

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I'm happy they are actually giving jail time for people who torture animals, but this person should have a lifetime ban on pets. Who knows what he's capable of. You know what they say about animal abusers and serial killers. Hopefully this sets a precedent that just because an animal might be a pest, or a nuisance animal doesn't mean it's ok to do something like that. Rats in particular are very intelligent animals, and would suffer as much as a dog or cat would. Imagine if he did this to a cat or dog, he'd probably be getting death threats.

Would you trust someone like this to take care of a pet? I certainly wouldn't. In fact, I wouldn't trust such a person at all. It takes a specific sort of callousness and maliciousness (ie. psychopath). Hope this guy doesn't have children.
 

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Should never be allowed to have a pet again. The problem is, how does one police such a thing? You could distribute the idiot's name to animal shelters and pet shops, but that wouldn't be hard to get around if you wanted to.

I find it deeply concerning that there are people out there who get their rocks off doing disgusting things like that.

You're right on the children comment, too. You know what they say about animal abuse and how it can signify a propensity toward similar actions against humans.
 

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There's no such thing as vegan.

But I guess eating meat is just as bad as boiling a small mammal alive for a laugh then stabbing it over a dozen times slowly. But according to his ex-boss, he's a "kind hearted bloke." :rolleyes:
You can eat meat and still find behaviour like that utterly abhorrent in the same breath. I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.

The central point is, if you're going to treat animals you are supposedly keeping as pets like that, why, really, should you ever have the opportunity to own a pet again?
 

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You can eat meat and still find behaviour like that utterly abhorrent in the same breath. I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.

The central point is, if you're going to treat animals you are supposedly keeping as pets like that, why, really, should you ever have the opportunity to own a pet again?
Oh, I agree with you for sure. I was being sarcastic. ;)
 

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The point is hypocrisy.

Do you campaign against lab testing on rats too?

Just because the guy is a cold hearted douchebag, does not make your attempts at compassion for these rats as productive to the cause of protecting animals.
 

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The point is hypocrisy.

Do you campaign against lab testing on rats too?

Just because the guy is a cold hearted douchebag, does not make your attempts at compassion for these rats as productive to the cause of protecting animals.
I am wasting my time with you if you think the testing of lab animals is anything like this, or you think it's hypocritical to either condemn such things or support animal cruelty punishments just because I eat meat. I've got compassion for all animals. Does feeling sympathy have to be productive? I am only showing my disgust and feel he should get a lifetime ban on pets.
 

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He didnt have them as pets. He should be banned from working with animals.

There is "social media compassion" and then there is real world compassion.

I like eating some animal product so i cant strut around on my high horse when some douchebag tortures a few screaming rats. I must say i do love the sound of a cray being boiled. Am i any different to him?
 

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I like eating some animal product so i cant strut around on my high horse when some douchebag tortures a few screaming rats. I must say i do love the sound of a cray being boiled. Am i any different to him?
And you can't make the distinction? Stop being deliberately obtuse.
 

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The distinction is the justification.

The end result is the same for the animal. One justification wastes a lot more other resources.
The distinction is the level of cruelty, and the intent of the person. All which matter a lot.

Otherwise you're basically saying me accidentally dropping something on my dog and killing him is the same as me brutally torturing him to death. That the end result is the same, isn't the point.
 

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Thats what I said, the justification is the difference.

Let me guess, the majority of people that are "outraged" by the douchebag on social media are also wearing make up and serving veal for dinner?

Do you not see the hypocrisy or are you being deliberately obtuse?
 

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Thats what I said, the justification is the difference.

Let me guess, the majority of people that are "outraged" by the douchebag on social media are also wearing make up and serving veal for dinner?

Do you not see the hypocrisy or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Quite frankly, no I don't... because this person slowly and agonisingly tortured an animal for funsies. Not even on the same realm as eating a piece of flesh, unless you're saying all meat eaters are sadistic animal torturers. Even if the animal being slaughtered for its meat happened in the same manner, they'd get into serious trouble. And that is even assuming the people disgusted by it eat veal (personally I never liked it), or get it from a place that notoriously breaks animal cruelty laws/acting like an Indonesian abattoir.

Your comparison is utterly ridiculous, if you can't see the obvious difference between the two then the point is lost on you. If I was intentionally torturing an animal like that to death, yeah, then it's valid to play the hypocrite card but until then get a clue please. I don't even use cosmetics that are tested on animals so why do I have to justify my own disgust? Do I have to be a vegan to condemn it, and call this guy an asshole? Not at all.

Now let's get back on topic: this guy should never own or work with animals again, I think the scumbag got off lightly.
 
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Thats what I said, the justification is the difference.

Let me guess, the majority of people that are "outraged" by the douchebag on social media are also wearing make up and serving veal for dinner?

Do you not see the hypocrisy or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Are you for real?
 

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Im sure his fellow inmates wont allow that to happen.

I can see the difference, but my point is more to do with people's reactions to a story like this, than the actual torturous acts themselves.

Of course he should not be allowed near animals again.

That doesn't mean "outrage" or disgust" is not hypocritical or Helen Lovejoyism.

I think a blowtorch, a steel bucket and a rat would be a more fitting punishment. Or is that animal cruelty too?
 

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What did you expect the reaction to be? I might be more disgusted than the norm because I've kept rats as pets before, they have their own little personalities so I don't see this any more different than someone abusing a stray dog.

How is it hypocritical though? Can you name any animal experiments in this country where an animal is treated like this, and somehow broke through the thick walls of regulation? Believe it or not researchers using animals have to justify it, and follow very strict guidelines. Farming practices can be shoddy but that depends on where, as not every place is going to have line workers slowly beating animals with steel poles. I don't think it's really comparable at all, the outrage is justified because this guy is a possible danger to society.
 

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People with no empathy towards animals are evil.

If I lived in my preferred political system, I am sure my benevolent dictator would dispose of these people ...

Scum!
 
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