This side could make finals in 2009

[feelyngood]

Good thread
hmmmm, thats a pretty bad team. No chance of finals next year.

Backs Garland Maritn Whelan
H/Balcks Buckley Rivers green
centre Bruce Mclean Morton
H/Fwds Bate Miller davey
Fwds Robbo Newton Wonamirri
Rucks R.Warnock Jones Moloney
INT From(in no order)Sylvia,Dunn,Batram,grimes,Maric,Jnr,M Warrnock,Pettard +our 1st pick 08


To me, looking at this just highlights how far off we are. If all those guys stayed fit and firing all year (not gonna happen) we would still be battling for the 8. Descent midfield, awefull backline and no one to help Robbo. If Rivers, Whelan, Silvia, Mclean, Robbo, PJ etc can stay fit and if Newton could start to kick a few that would help a lot. Just no evidence that this is going to happen. We've all been saying the same things for years about Silvia, Maloney, Rivers, PJ. Unfortunately they are all injury prone.
I believe PJ who is not in your team can become one of the best rucks going around and I think Mclean will step up even more and prove to be our only genuine superstar.

Realistically 2011 we'll make the 8 and hopefully 2012/13 we can be top 4 contenders. I don't mean to sound negative because I am very excited about all the youth in the team and I do see a lot of potential, it's just going to take a few years.
Buckley, Morton, Bate, Jones, Pettard, Mclean, PJ, Bartram, Newts!! etc..... exciting times ahead but a few years away.

 

[Dez!]

Where is the love for CJ people COME ON!

 

[master bate]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

You really think that Bell Bate Jones, PJ and Moloney are proven AFL performers. Where will Bate Bell and Jones finish in this years B & F. You have a great tendency to overate our players. None of those players would get a game with Geelong or Hawthorn

Proven AFL performers might have been the wrong choice of words, proven that they can string together some bloody good games might have been better (look at the B&F finishes of Moloney, McLean, Bate in previous years, Bell's form last year etc), and if they can all do it next year and become on field leaders it will make a huge difference.

I think you underestimate how much the other 21 players on a field impact one players performance. If you get 10 of the 22 on the field up and firing and 5 other players are of the class of Morton, Maric, Garland you can be a lot better side than we were this year. So instead of asking how our players would go for Geelong or Hawthorn, maybe ask how they would go for us. How many goals do you think Buddy would have kicked for us this year? He would have made a huge change to our players confidence and forward structure, and we would have won more games, but I still think he would be on closer to 60 goals than 100.

 

[master bate]

Backs Garland Martin Whelan
H/Backs Buckley Rivers green

INT Bell, Bartram, M Warnock,Petterd, Frawley, CJ

To me, looking at this just highlights how far off we are. If all those guys stayed fit and firing all year (not gonna happen) we would still be battling for the 8. Descent midfield, awefull backline and no one to help Robbo. If

I think that is a pretty damn good back line, Rivers and Whelan fit and firing are seriously good backmen, they probably aren't All Australian but Whelan's performances underseige especially against Geelong and Richmond this year show me that he still has it. And we all know how good Rivers is if he can ever get on the park. Garland has also played some great footy this year, and Martin gives 100% and had very good games as well and if he makes the same improvement he has in the last 2 years in the next 2 years he will be elite, plus you've got Frawley and Warnock pushing very hard for selection. For the flanks I'd prefer CJ and Bell with Buckley/Green pushing back off a wing, but if you don't like that there is still Bartram and Petterd to chose from.


Remember Ward, Bizzell, Brown, Holland and Carroll were all getting games in this backline last year, so the change in personnel has been huge, it's the one area on the ground where I'm confident we have the talent and depth to become a top four side. Just remember how well this defence perfromed against Hawthorn when our midfield and forward put some defensive pressure on.

 

[cheney]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

I'll also say that I truly believe that we will be ready to start climbing up the ladder in 2010 mainly because of the impact of guys like McLean, Rivers, Bell, Davey, Bate, Jones, PJ, Warnock, Moloney etc who are proven AFL performers

You really think that Bell Bate Jones, PJ and Moloney are proven AFL performers. Where will Bate Bell and Jones finish in this years B & F. You have a great tendency to overate our players. None of those players would get a game with Geelong or Hawthorn

Thankyou. Enough said.

 

[cheney]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

And you have a great tendency to underrate our players.

PJ would get a game at Geelong easily over Mark Blake and at Hawthorn instead of Renouf.

Bate would get a game at Geelong at CHF.

Jones could get a game at Hawthorn.

Bell could even get a gig in the Hawks backline.

Dez, do you know what your on about? Don't think so. Maybe take up another sport.

 

[Dez!]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

Dez, do you know what your on about? Don't think so. Maybe take up another sport.

Rich coming from you buddy, looked at any of your own posts lately?

 

[cheney]

I think that is a pretty damn good back line, Rivers and Whelan fit and firing are seriously good backmen, they probably aren't All Australian but Whelan's performances underseige especially against Geelong and Richmond this year show me that he still has it. And we all know how good Rivers is if he can ever get on the park. Garland has also played some great footy this year, and Martin gives 100% and had very good games as well and if he makes the same improvement he has in the last 2 years in the next 2 years he will be elite, plus you've got Frawley and Warnock pushing very hard for selection. For the flanks I'd prefer CJ and Bell with Buckley/Green pushing back off a wing, but if you don't like that there is still Bartram and Petterd to chose from.


Remember Ward, Bizzell, Brown, Holland and Carroll were all getting games in this backline last year, so the change in personnel has been huge, it's the one area on the ground where I'm confident we have the talent and depth to become a top four side. Just remember how well this defence perfromed against Hawthorn when our midfield and forward put some defensive pressure on.

Mate, your kidding yourself. I tell you what.. I'll give you some homework. I want you to go through our list ok, Firstly l want you to compare our list to say four teams (the up and comers) Carlton, Richmond, Essendon & Fremantle. Secondly i want you to compare that rubbish backline that you think is so great to there forward lines, and so on.. Then I want you to come on here and tell me that our list is up and coming!! Can you do that for me? Mate i'm telling you right now, we'll be lucky to win 10 games in the next two years.

 

[eliasd82]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

Keep the faith Dees fans but I can't see us making finals next year - our young boys will need another year to develop and work through Baileys game plan - we might finish bottom 3 again but if we win under 5 games we will still land pick 1 and 2 in next years draft depending on WC

 

[Dez!]

Mate, your kidding yourself. I tell you what.. I'll give you some homework. I want you to go through our list ok, Firstly l want you to compare our list to say four teams (the up and comers) Carlton, Richmond, Essendon & Fremantle. Secondly i want you to compare that rubbish backline that you think is so great to there forward lines, and so on.. Then I want you to come on here and tell me that our list is up and coming!! Can you do that for me? Mate i'm telling you right now, we'll be lucky to win 10 games in the next two years.

Perhaps you should take some of your own advice and take up another sport.

Our backline is far from rubbish, Garland, Martin, Warnock, Rivers, CJ, Buckley, Whelan and Bell have the makings of a great backline.

They need time to develop and with the guidance of the experienced players such as Rivers, Whelan and even Bell (although still developing himself) can turn that very promising backline into something special.

 

[master bate]

Mate, your kidding yourself. I tell you what.. I'll give you some homework. I want you to go through our list ok, Firstly l want you to compare our list to say four teams (the up and comers) Carlton, Richmond, Essendon & Fremantle. Secondly i want you to compare that rubbish backline that you think is so great to there forward lines, and so on.. Then I want you to come on here and tell me that our list is up and coming!! Can you do that for me? Mate i'm telling you right now, we'll be lucky to win 10 games in the next two years.

Don't ****ing insult my intelligence, argue with me that's fine, but don't give me shit about needing to do some homework, I'm comfortable with my assessment of where we are at. Without the extensive research that you've obviously done those forward lines are pretty average to me, they all have one quality tall in Fev (get's it kicked to him everytime), Richo (30+), Lloyd (not A grade/30+) and Pav, but besides that they certainly are not Hawthorn. Our backline has Garland, Frawley, Martin, Warnock and Rivers to stop them. I also don't see how Freo are up and comers, they are at least a year behind us and WC in development (they should go backwards and rebuild) and I wouldn't trade lists with them. I wouldn't trade with Essendon either, Knights is kidding himself and might take his group up the ladder but he won't get to the heights we will with Bailey planning to win a flag.

You seemed to struggle with the fact that 3-5 plus 2 equals 5-7, maybe you could do some homework, and learn how to quote people properly whilst your at it.

 

[cheney]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

Rich coming from you buddy, looked at any of your own posts lately?

At least l've got some idea.. You don't know what the f**k your talking about. Maybe try following netball.

 

[cheney]

Don't ****ing insult my intelligence, argue with me that's fine, but don't give me shit about needing to do some homework, I'm comfortable with my assessment of where we are at. Without the extensive research that you've obviously done those forward lines are pretty average to me, they all have one quality tall in Fev (get's it kicked to him everytime), Richo (30+), Lloyd (not A grade/30+) and Pav, but besides that they certainly are not Hawthorn. Our backline has Garland, Frawley, Martin, Warnock and Rivers to stop them. I also don't see how Freo are up and comers, they are at least a year behind us and WC in development (they should go backwards and rebuild) and I wouldn't trade lists with them. I wouldn't trade with Essendon either, Knights is kidding himself and might take his group up the ladder but he won't get to the heights we will with Bailey planning to win a flag.

You seemed to struggle with the fact that 3-5 plus 2 equals 5-7, maybe you could do some homework, and learn how to quote people properly whilst your at it.

Firstly bud l, along with alot of suppoters did not expect this season to pan out like this. That is why i have stated 3-5 years!! Starting from next year. Mate, you've got no idea of how far behind our football club is. So l won't bother you anymore. You've clearing been brainwashed with the garbage Jim Stynes has tried to spin. He might have fooled alot of people, but certainly not me. And BTW, ummm Matthew Lloyd is not an A grade fwd? hahaha. Shows how much you know. Good luck.

 

[Dez!]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

At least l've got some idea.. You don't know what the f**k your talking about. Maybe try following netball.

No, no you don't and you've proved that with your comments about our "rubbish backline".

We will struggle again next year but in 2010 you should see us pushing for the 8, 2011 we could be challenging top 4 and an outside shot at the flag.

 

[RandB]

Firstly bud l, along with alot of suppoters did not expect this season to pan out like this. That is why i have stated 3-5 years!! Starting from next year. Mate, you've got no idea of how far behind our football club is. So l won't bother you anymore. You've clearing been brainwashed with the garbage Jim Stynes has tried to spin. He might have fooled alot of people, but certainly not me. And BTW, ummm Matthew Lloyd is not an A grade fwd? hahaha. Shows how much you know. Good luck.

Can you please enlighten us as to what "garbage" Stynes has spun us and before you go on a rant, keep it in context of this thread where you have mouthed off.

 

[master bate]

Firstly bud l, along with alot of suppoters did not expect this season to pan out like this. That is why i have stated 3-5 years!! Starting from next year. Mate, you've got no idea of how far behind our football club is. So l won't bother you anymore. You've clearing been brainwashed with the garbage Jim Stynes has tried to spin. He might have fooled alot of people, but certainly not me. And BTW, ummm Matthew Lloyd is not an A grade fwd? hahaha. Shows how much you know. Good luck.

Okay this will be my last post on this then.

How did you not expect this season to pan out like it did, optimistically I was hoping we would get out of the bottom 4, but after the nab cup it was crystal clear we were going to struggle, and I think we will struggle next year, but I can't work out how we will be 3-5 years in the bottom 4. I also can't see the relevance of Jim, he has talked up the young side a bit, but I've mainly been listening to his pleas for supporters to get behind the club.

As for Lloyd not being A grade anymore, I think a hell of a lot of people would agree with me, he has lost a bit of speed and is too much of a one trick pony. Franklin, Pavlich, Brown, Fev, Reiwoldt and Richo are the A grade big forwards of the comp. Bradshaw and Roughy are probably ahead of him too.

 

[dee-molishon]

Cheney i admire you taking on all comers as i have done it plenty of times before.

But i cant take you seriously if you say freo are "up and comers". They had the oldest list in the afl this year.

 

[feelyngood]

I think that is a pretty damn good back line, Rivers and Whelan fit and firing are seriously good backmen, they probably aren't All Australian but Whelan's performances underseige especially against Geelong and Richmond this year show me that he still has it. And we all know how good Rivers is if he can ever get on the park. Garland has also played some great footy this year, and Martin gives 100% and had very good games as well and if he makes the same improvement he has in the last 2 years in the next 2 years he will be elite, plus you've got Frawley and Warnock pushing very hard for selection. For the flanks I'd prefer CJ and Bell with Buckley/Green pushing back off a wing, but if you don't like that there is still Bartram and Petterd to chose from.


Remember Ward, Bizzell, Brown, Holland and Carroll were all getting games in this backline last year, so the change in personnel has been huge, it's the one area on the ground where I'm confident we have the talent and depth to become a top four side. Just remember how well this defence perfromed against Hawthorn when our midfield and forward put some defensive pressure on.

I agree with everything there. I didn't say that we will never be a top four side. The backline could be great in a few years but at the moment it's very poor and is far from a backline we will see in the finals NEXT YEAR! that's what the thread is all about. As you mentioned Rivers and Whelan are great but the others are yet to prove themselves as consistent performers.

I would prefer Buckley/Pettard on the back flanks.

 

[cheney]

Cheney i admire you taking on all comers as i have done it plenty of times before.

But i cant take you seriously if you say freo are "up and comers". They had the oldest list in the afl this year.

Yep fair enough, but what i meant was that l believe they have better youngsters than us to take them into the future.

 

[cheney]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

No, no you don't and you've proved that with your comments about our "rubbish backline".

We will struggle again next year but in 2010 you should see us pushing for the 8, 2011 we could be challenging top 4 and an outside shot at the flag.

hahahahahahahahahaha. Outside shot at a flag in 2011... Please stop wasting our time with outragous comments. Seriously, you should start looking into other sports.. Maybe beach volleyball, or even better, table tennis.

 

[1 Million]

I feel ur pain..... trust me when i say been there done that....

But who are u going to beat to be 14th or 13th??

u guys are a shoe-in for bottom 2 with the weagle..

soz

 

[Obbie]

Melbourne will not play finals in 2009.
2010? Very hard to say. Bailey will want to win a few games to extend his contract past 2010.
2011? Possibly. Remember the rebuild did start last year with guys like Ward,Godfrey and Nathan Brown retiring/released plus others.
This will be the second draft by Bailey. Bailey will start to own the list after this years draft.
We need some elite footballers and certainly more A-graders before Melbourne will be able to mount a serious challenge for a premiership.
Fact is I don't want a pretend fast tracked rebuild that brings finals appearances and false hopes but ends in tears and premiership.
Hopefully and all we have is hope that Bailey can draft the talent and develop existing and new talent to be the very best.
I think Melbourne will not play finals before 2010 at earliest and probably not until 2011 or 2012.

The fact is I barrack for the Red and Blue jumper and not the bloke wearing it. The bloke wearing the Red and Blue jumper has to prove to me and all supporters he's good enough to wear it. If he's not good enough then drop him/sack him etc and find someone else who is good enough.

Go Dees

 

[Dez!]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

hahahahahahahahahaha. Outside shot at a flag in 2011... Please stop wasting our time with outragous comments. Seriously, you should start looking into other sports.. Maybe beach volleyball, or even better, table tennis.

Then provide an argument as to why these are "outragous comments" instead of just answering like a ******ed monkey or perhaps that's asking too much of you.

BTW it's outrageous buddy and they are far from outrageous comments in 3 years we are a definite chance of challenging for a flag, our rebuilding phase started last year and by 2011 we would be into the 5th year of our rebuilding phase.

 

[BETON5]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

Then provide an argument as to why these are "outragous comments" instead of just answering like a ******ed monkey or perhaps that's asking too much of you.

BTW it's outrageous buddy and they are far from outrageous comments in 3 years we are a definite chance of challenging for a flag, our rebuilding phase started last year and by 2011 we would be into the 5th year of our rebuilding phase.

Im glad that all the guys have mixed feeling about next couple of years.Im 32 i watched the 1988 GF and cried i flew from sydney in 2000 to watch us get smashed, i love this club and im starving for success.
And i no you fellas are the same,anyway,

It is very important that we get R warnock and Naitanui this year,Next year will be better than 08,our boys will be fitter,bigger and stronger and more game time in them,By 2010 i expect to make the 8,with our best 22 players.
Thats means we would have spent 4 years rebuilding,I have been let down so many times with our inconsistency and inability to finish games however with new personel we will be goin forwrd faster than ppl expect us 2.We also need a good run with injuries.

 

[cannons]

Re: This side could make Finals in 2009.

hahahahahahahahahaha. Outside shot at a flag in 2011... Please stop wasting our time with outragous comments. Seriously, you should start looking into other sports.. Maybe beach volleyball, or even better, table tennis.

Well shit. Is there a thread on this board that hasn't been infested by you and Dez constantly arguing?

I admire you for generating some discussion and alternate viewpoints, but you could be far more constructive about it.

The post above illustrates how ridiculous this situation is. You can disagree, and state how your opinion differs, then a heathly discussion can take place. That's a much better option than telling him to take up another sport