This year's delistings

[Supermercado]

Might get the same value out of my #34 by the looks of it.

I have faith that one of the big hitters will be along soon to chuck a wobbly.

 

[Bartram_Class]

I'd be surprised if they had the faith in Spencer and Gawn to go into 2011 with just Jamar, PJ's delisting is good news for Wayde Skipper and the like IMO.

 

[Demon 16]

I suspect we might take Johnson back onto our senior list with pick 52 if there is no talent left from the juniors.

Gives more credence to the Jonathan Giles option with pick 49.

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

I suspect we might take Johnson back onto our senior list with pick 52 if there is no talent left from the juniors.

Gives more credence to the Jonathan Giles option with pick 49.

Recruiting Johnson back on the list would be a step backwards. We don't need players who have been around for a while and have done bugger all and that goes for Skipper as well. We would be better for going for young kids like a Giles and hope that one of them will step up because we all know what Skipper and Johnson provide and that is very little.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Recruiting Johnson back on the list would be a step backwards. We don't need players who have been around for a while and have done bugger all and that goes for Skipper as well. We would be better for going for young kids like a Giles and hope that one of them will step up because we all know what Skipper and Johnson provide and that is very little.

Agreed! PJ, like Miller had his chance. It's time to move on. I'd rather take a punt on a kid with our 4th round pick, than pick PJ up. I'm all for placing him on the rookie list though in case Jamar breaks down(god forbid). Obviously Bailey sees (gulp)Spencer and (bigger gulp) Newton as the players to support Jamar in the ruck. With the added relief of Fitz and Gawn as improving youngsters.

I back the club 100% on todays delistings. And i see them clearly going tall with the first pick in the draft now. Delisting Miller, PJ and McNamara sends that message IMO. Knowing Jack Viney will be coming on board in a couple of years also takes the pressure off having to go for best available this season. I think we will definitely grab a couple of talls in this draft. Darling and Mitchell seem likely..

 

[Demon 16]

Recruiting Johnson back on the list would be a step backwards. We don't need players who have been around for a while and have done bugger all and that goes for Skipper as well. We would be better for going for young kids like a Giles and hope that one of them will step up because we all know what Skipper and Johnson provide and that is very little.

I agree to an extent.

If Giles isnt around by pick 49, then perhaps we take a kid, then Johnson at 52 just for the sake of insurance for Jamar. If Giles is around, then great we get a new backup ruckman who can still develop - plus a kid.

I just cant see us going around for a full year on our current ruck stocks.

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

I agree to an extent.

If Giles isnt around by pick 49, then perhaps we take a kid, then Johnson at 52 just for the sake of insurance for Jamar. If Giles is around, then great we get a new backup ruckman who can still develop - plus a kid.

I just cant see us going around for a full year on our current ruck stocks.

If Jamar goes down we are in serious trouble even if we had Johnson as a back up. We need our best 22 out there, not too many teams that get injuries to important players make serious impacts in finals.

 

[Demon 16]

If Jamar goes down we are in serious trouble even if we had Johnson as a back up. We need our best 22 out there, not too many teams that get injuries to important players make serious impacts in finals.

Agreed - which is why Im suggesting we draft Giles and send him out as a Jamar backup as at least we are a chance of finding a player.

If not we draft Johnson back and havnt really lost anything.

 

[d33my]

Recruiting Johnson back on the list would be a step backwards. We don't need players who have been around for a while and have done bugger all and that goes for Skipper as well. We would be better for going for young kids like a Giles and hope that one of them will step up because we all know what Skipper and Johnson provide and that is very little.

I'm sorry but by your logic we should have delisted Jamar 2 years ago then. I agree with what you say later down in your posts that even if we have PJ and Jamar goes down we are stuffed, but it might only cost us a season. ( ) If Jamar goes down and we are forced to throw an unready kid in, it might cause injuries and repurcussions that last that kids entire career. At least PJ has a body that can withstand AFL footy.

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

Not sure why we'd have to take them with early rookies picks. We have 5 picks, surely we can take PJ and Tom with our 4th and 5th rookie picks, if need be and they're still available.

 

[Supermercado]

Not sure why we'd have to take them with early rookies picks. We have 5 picks, surely we can take PJ and Tom with our 4th and 5th rookie picks, if need be and they're still available.

Agreed. If somebody else gets to him before us then it's their funeral.

 

[Spirit of 39]

Not sure why we'd have to take them with early rookies picks. We have 5 picks, surely we can take PJ and Tom with our 4th and 5th rookie picks, if need be and they're still available.

Exactly. If they are both still contracted, they will be selections 178 and 192 in the rookie draft unless some other mob gets them first.

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

I'm sorry but by your logic we should have delisted Jamar 2 years ago then. I agree with what you say later down in your posts that even if we have PJ and Jamar goes down we are stuffed, but it might only cost us a season. ( ) If Jamar goes down and we are forced to throw an unready kid in, it might cause injuries and repurcussions that last that kids entire career. At least PJ has a body that can withstand AFL footy.

Jamar has never really been on the outer like Johnson has, never has he been dropped for a player like Newton. Johnson is no replacement for Jamar he can't ruck, he can't mark and he is soft.

We shouldn't play kids in case they get injured? We wouldn't be able to field a team if we took that logic and Spencer and Martin are 100 kgs so there is no reason why they should be susceptible to injuries more than anyone else.

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

Think Worsfold will want PJ back?

 

[Harry Manback]

Exactly. If they are both still contracted, they will be selections 178 and 192 in the rookie draft unless some other mob gets them first.

According to Demonology's 'MFC Contracts' thread, they aren't.

 

[Deestroy]

According to Demonology's 'MFC Contracts' thread, they aren't.

Since that thread has Warnock listed as 2010 when Schwab has stated he's contracted past this year I wouldn't be taking it as gospel.

In our own contracts thread, which relies on sourced information only, we couldn't find anything about the lengths of McNamara or PJ's deals.

I would suspect both are out of contract, but we can't be certain.

 

[RandB]

Not sure why we'd have to take them with early rookies picks. We have 5 picks, surely we can take PJ and Tom with our 4th and 5th rookie picks, if need be and they're still available.

In the case of Newton and Meesen, they were contracted and I think in order to get them to agree to the delisting the club had to give them some semblance of assurance that they'd prioritise retaining them in the RD. Bit of a grey area I admit given we only had 2 picks anyway.

Having said that perhaps they aren't under contract which changes things.

 

[Deestroy]

Newton and Meesen were only taken with our first 2 rookie picks because we only had 2 picks in the entire rookie draft. If we had 5 picks we would have taken them with the final 2.

 

[RandB]

Newton and Meesen were only taken with our first 2 rookie picks because we only had 2 picks in the entire rookie draft. If we had 5 picks we would have taken them with the final 2.

Yeah, I just checked that myself - beat me to it.

 

[d33my]

Jamar has never really been on the outer like Johnson has, never has he been dropped for a player like Newton. Johnson is no replacement for Jamar he can't ruck, he can't mark and he is soft.

We shouldn't play kids in case they get injured? We wouldn't be able to field a team if we took that logic and Spencer and Martin are 100 kgs so there is no reason why they should be susceptible to injuries more than anyone else.

I won't argue with you about PJs ability around the ground. He is, however, slightly more proficient than Spencer. But I do think that PJ is an alright ruckman.

Surely he's a better alternative in the ruck position than Martin. At least he is a full time ruck. I feel having a proficient ruckman/spud field player is superior to Martin's position of questionable field player/questionable ruckman.

RE not fielding kids, I should have clarified my argument and stated that I only believe in 'protecting' kids in the ruck position, just because IMO its a lot harder to dominate as a 19 year old ruckman than say in a midfield or even forward position.

Of course in a perfect world we wouldn't have to field PJ at all but atm this is what I believe to be the best solution (lesser of two evils)

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

In Jamar goes down we just go with Spencer. He's not that much worse than PJ and with PJ out of the way he will have a heap more development time either with Melbourne all more likely playing first ruck with Casey. He's not 18 anymore and won't get physically destroyed by big ruckmen if he does play AFL.

PJ's delisting also means Fitzpatrick, Martin and Gawn also play more Casey seniors either rucking or playing up forward. There is a big opportunity for Fitzpatrick or Martin to grab the back up ruck/forward spot.

I'd much rather rookie McNamara than PJ, and with 5 picks in the rookie draft I think he's worth taking.

Are you serious? Did you see the game against the saints this year? he cost us 4 goals in the space of a few mintues. if thats going to be our number 1 ruck (if jamar goes down) I'd rather play colin sylvia in the ruck thanks. Bad move letting PJ go, and another club will def take him.

 

[Bails2008]

We have 5 rookie selections. Surely we will rookie PJ if no one picks him up very late in the rookie draft or another ruckman like Taylor or Skipper. I am confident the club knows what it is doing

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

Bad move letting PJ go, and another club will def take him.

The way I see it if Jamar goes down Spencer and Martin will get first crack and if they fail then Fitzpatrick and Gawn will get a go. Personally we should be thinking positively that Jamar will play out the year and we won't need a second ruckman.

I can't believe people think PJ will make a difference to the club next year, he didn't this year and really he never has made a difference, when we lose games next year it won't be because we haven't got PJ.

I think would should wait to see what they show us next year before we rip into Spencer and Martin remembering that they were injured for the majority of the year.

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

The way I see it if Jamar goes down Spencer and Martin will get first crack and if they fail then Fitzpatrick and Gawn will get a go. Personally we should be thinking positively that Jamar will play out the year and we won't need a second ruckman.

I can't believe people think PJ will make a difference to the club next year, he didn't this year and really he never has made a difference, when we lose games next year it won't be because we haven't got PJ.

I think would should wait to see what they show us next year before we rip into Spencer and Martin remembering that they were injured for the majority of the year.

I don't think anyone is saying that PJ is a gun and will win us games, I would rather PJ then Spencer at this stage, spencer is at least 2-3 years off along with Fitzy and Gawn. I like Martin but can't see him as a number 1 ruck if we need him to do that.

Also, its great to think positively but u need a plan B, I wanna make finals next year as I'm sure everyone else does on here so spencer doesn not cut it for me at this stage.

One other think, if Melbourne are thinking of getting skipper, i don't see any difference between him and PJ, I actually think PJ is better as he can actually run.

 

[Future Star]

I definitely wouldnt relist PJ we know what he can do and its not good and wont get any better. If Jamar goes down (touch wood he doesnt) we simply use Spencer and Martin as our ruckman. Whilst were not challenging for a flag we shouldnt worry keep a player who is average just as insurance. Were in a different position to Hawthorn who are a top 4 team and can afford to keep a player for insurance