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Hey Knightmare , if JT and Keeffe were to be sacked over this, what will the knock on consequences be to our list management?

A couple of new recruits added to our list at draft time from the fifth and sixth rounds? (Is this year's draft any good?)

Or do you think Keeffe might have been in the firing line anyway?

Or will we go back to expanding our rookie list?

Or?
It may not mean a lot changes if Keeffe and Thomas are sacked. Fortunately we have a lot of good key defenders and a lot of inside mids.

Brown and Frost are the permanent key defenders and they're both AFL standard. Then Marsh, Moore and Reid are others where depending on whether you see them as backs or forwards, they're at least able to play back. It's possible even without Keeffe that we may have five AFL standard key defenders, with all five either established or have the ability to make it at the next level. The one relative hole with those key defence stocks is a lack of a rebounding key defender with Reid that only natural rebounding key defender and the others stoppers first, so perhaps a Mitch Brown (ex Geelong/Essendon if you count the preseason) could be an example of that or otherwise there could be an option through the draft.

In terms of key forward stocks, given we were going to play Keeffe forward this year. That's something we'll need to add to, with not enough good options at this point in time with Cloke then Reid, Moore and Marsh who can play forward, but the club seem to favour down back. Then otherwise it's just Gault who is showing promise but not is not an established AFL quality option and White who in my view isn't AFL standard. So someone will need to be added, and it will need to be a high end option, be it by trade or through the draft.

As for our inside midfield stocks. We've got the options and so many options we don't have enough minutes to give to guys who I'd say should get more time in there. Broomhead and Crisp as two examples on the weekend showed how much better they are when they can get midfield minutes. Then there is Freeman and De Goey still to develop. So without Thomas we'll be fine, with Adams and Greenwood able to offer that similar inside grunt. Our relative issue through the midfield is lack of elite options. It's Pendlebury, Swan and Sidebottom, then a bunch of guys who are sufficient, but unimpressive and not the quality of guys who are going to take you to the promised land, though some of the younger guys in time in De Goey and Broomhead, maybe Freeman possibly could in combination with you're Pendlebury, Swan and Sidebottom level talents. So perhaps if we could get an Aaron Young or similar from another club then that might be a consideration, but it's less that we need a like for like replacement as much as we just need a general upgrade through the midfield - such as a Dangerfield to make that midfield good again.

Regarding options through the draft. It's probably below average with the top end unimpressive, but there is still time for that to change. Joshua Schache is the best key forward in this draft so as a key forward he is the one to watch and could be available around our first round pick, with Weideman probably more a late 1st - 2nd rounder in my view at this point, with more still to improve compared to Schache.

Key defenders can be had anywhere and a Mitch Brown or Michael Hartley as mature agers are fine cheap options who as rookies could be fine, but I think we'll be right, with depth less the problem as much as it is the quality and that quality rebounding key defender outside of Reid who is mostly injured. A Cale Hooker, Michael Hurley, Tom McDonald, Jeremy McGovern, Alex Rance etc while unrealistic is the type of thing you'd like to have at CHB if Reid can't get back. There are a few of those types in this years draft with Jacob Weitering as a rebounding key defender the pick of the bunch and potentially that solution if we have a top 5 pick, and similar types available in later rounds, though mostly shorter rebounding key defenders which may not be quite what we need with all the taller key forwards of today.

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If Keeffe and Josh Thomas are out for two years. Then they are both presumably gone. If one year, it's a tougher decision and a 50/50 call. If they're not out at all then they can probably both stay.

Will we use all our senior list positions or keep some open? I don't know what our recruiters have in mind. Maybe if they don't like the depth of the draft or can't add any worthwhile talents through trade week a few positions will be open. My preference is filling all senior list positions and then having the rookies. With Beams gone it's not like our salary cap position will be so tight that we can't fill those final list positions. But like last year it may come down to either liking, or not liking guys in the draft and either taking all those selections or one less on draft day if we're not so keen on those players available.
 

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Assume people aren't talking West Coast-brother of Nath-Mitch Brown here? Because that doesn't seem like a good solution to having injury woes with our KPD.
The ex Geelong Mitch Brown. He is suitable from the standpoint of - cheap, can help immediately and helps from the standpoint that he can provide some rebound and with our other key defenders outside of Reid all stoppers, he could be useful if Reid is hurt/playing forward and would offer a better balance down back.

Mitch Brown (West Coast) isn't a necessary addition and would surely be a required player at West Coast with their lean key defence stocks.
 

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The ex Geelong Mitch Brown. He is suitable from the standpoint of - cheap, can help immediately and helps from the standpoint that he can provide some rebound and with our other key defenders outside of Reid all stoppers, he could be useful if Reid is hurt/playing forward and would offer a better balance down back.

Mitch Brown (West Coast) isn't a necessary addition and would surely be a required player at West Coast with their lean key defence stocks.
He is shit anyway. A worse version of nathan brown
 

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The ex Geelong Mitch Brown. He is suitable from the standpoint of - cheap, can help immediately and helps from the standpoint that he can provide some rebound and with our other key defenders outside of Reid all stoppers, he could be useful if Reid is hurt/playing forward and would offer a better balance down back.

Mitch Brown (West Coast) isn't a necessary addition and would surely be a required player at West Coast with their lean key defence stocks.
Excellent, another Tony Armstrong/Jordan Russell clogging up the list..
 

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Hey Knightmare , if JT and Keeffe were to be sacked over this, what will the knock on consequences be to our list management?

A couple of new recruits added to our list at draft time from the fifth and sixth rounds? (Is this year's draft any good?)

Or do you think Keeffe might have been in the firing line anyway?

Or will we go back to expanding our rookie list?

Or?
I don't see it as an issue. Frost is a certainty to be elevated at the end of the year. There's one of the spots. There's not too many who appear likely to retire or appear to be certain delistings.
 

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It may not mean a lot changes if Keeffe and Thomas are sacked. Fortunately we have a lot of good key defenders and a lot of inside mids.
Given that both have contracts ending this year anyway, what do you think their chances of being delisted at end of season regardless?

I don't see it as an issue. Frost is a certainty to be elevated at the end of the year. There's one of the spots.
Not really, Frost would be elevated regardless of what happens to Keeffe / JT?

There's not too many who appear likely to retire or appear to be certain delistings.
There rarely is at this stage of the season.

The list of senior players whose contract expires at the end of this year currently is: Dwyer, Macaffer, Elliott, Langdon, Scharenberg, Young, Freeman, Keeffe, Thomas, Sinclair, Ramsay, Karnezis, Seedsman, Oxley.

Of that list, I would have had Keeffe more towards the pointy end on the delisting scale, but not JT.
 

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The list of senior players whose contract expires at the end of this year currently is: Dwyer, Macaffer, Elliott, Langdon, Scharenberg, Young, Freeman, Keeffe, Thomas, Sinclair, Ramsay, Karnezis, Seedsman, Oxley.

Of that list, I would have had Keeffe more towards the pointy end on the delisting scale, but not JT.
I would have Dwyer, Macaffer, Young, Keeffe, Thomas, Sinclair and Karnezis shitting bricks right now
 

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I would have Dwyer, Macaffer, Young, Keeffe, Thomas, Sinclair and Karnezis shitting bricks right now
I would have Young in that category. Keeffe and Thomas are already essentially gone. That's the mandatory 3 right there. Add Armstrong as likely to get the boot so we can pick up a rookie.
 

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I'm available for a kick.
I would also be marginally more effective than a road cone if the club wants me. Happy to play for match fees only.

Also for anyone whos reading anything in to the fact that nothing has been announced yet, its almost a fait accompli that the B sample will also be positive for clenbuterol so I wouldnt bother
 

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He is shit anyway. A worse version of nathan brown
Mitch Brown (Geelong version) plays nothing like Nathan. Nathan is a stopper. Mitch is a rebounder/intercepting key defender.

Excellent, another Tony Armstrong/Jordan Russell clogging up the list..
My standpoint is that we don't need any more key defenders, even without Keeffe and if we do, I'd pick someone through the draft given we have so many established options of AFL standard now.

Mitch Brown for a team needing an immediate option - Adelaide as one example I like him as a fit for. But like with everyone at this stage. You need to see what he produces this season and re-assess. Making a definite call on him today is not necessary and we need to see this season to gain enough information to make an informed decision as to where he is at.

Given that both have contracts ending this year anyway, what do you think their chances of being delisted at end of season regardless?
Both could just get delisted at seasons end. But 60/40 they'd both stay if they only miss this year. It would depend on how heavily we want to turnover the list and how many others we plan to delist. But it's possibly they both could be amongst that group with neither expected best 22 players coming into this season.
 

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I could make something up that won't happen if it makes you fell better but I highly doubt the club is planning on anything but replacing the 2 players in the off season.
Maybe a bit early but does anyone know about our chances of adding replacement players before the draft? We can probably paper over the cracks with Thomas but may need a replacement tall, especially with Reid going down again
 
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