MRP / Trib. Thomas bump

[RuFiO]

Did the MRP actually conclude Daisy's hit was to the head? Or have they just labeled it high?

 

[the distributer]

Did the MRP actually conclude Daisy's hit was to the head? Or have they just labeled it high?

Reckless, low impact, high contact.

 

[doppleganger]

No it didn't! Contact was not made to the head! No wonder you're off on the topic.

There was clear head high contact...you could try and argue that the majority of the contact was to the upper body.

However the point is that by jumping off the ground and making contact with the head that Thomas was reckless.

The second stupid act by Daisy this year, if he hadn't delivered the cheap shot earlier in the season he would have only copped one week for the bump anyway.

Take your fair whack Dale and come back with a BOG in the PF.

 

[conodie05]

Thomas doesn't have a fitness problem at all, hasn't had a significant injury and won't be missing SO long he will lose match fitness. The worst thing he could do is spend 48 hours on planes to go to a country where he won't even get to kick a football. It'd make a lot more sense if he trains with the group.

For people to say it wasn't worthy of a suspension seriously just watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYw7AP_9wG4 it was completely idiotic

I wasn't convinced he got ibbotson high until I saw the minute footage from side-on. Although just a flash it is clear that some head-high contact was made. That, along with a medical report provided by Freo justified the 3 down to two. Should definately take it and apologise to his team-mates for the brain fart. Was unnecessary so close to finals.

 

[Vince12]

I wouldn't worry anyway, Kerr is pretty likely to punch someone in the crotch again and miss against pies. Unlikely to be a close game anyway

 

[KissStephanie]

There was clear head high contact...you could try and argue that the majority of the contact was to the upper body.

I don't know what a medical report said, but I looked at the footage from a number of angles, and I could not see any head contact with any part of Thomas' body. I heard someone on the radio say the same thing after closely looking at all angles.

However the point is that by jumping off the ground and making contact with the head that Thomas was reckless.

Jumping off the ground is irrelevant if contact was not made to the head, so therefore it wasn't reckless though.

 

[RuFiO]

Reckless, low impact, high contact.

So high contact means they deemed it to be to the head?

 

[conodie05]

I don't know what a medical report said, but I looked at the footage from a number of angles, and I could not see any head contact with any part of Thomas' body. I heard someone on the radio say the same thing after closely looking at all angles.Jumping off the ground is irrelevant if contact was not made to the head, so therefore it wasn't reckless though.

Look at the first angle of the footage. Its very quick but a clear view, unlike the most-played footage where Ibbotson is blocking the point point of contact. With no impeded view its clear that Daisy made head-high contact.

[YOUTUBE]NYw7AP_9wG4[/YOUTUBE]

 

[KissStephanie]

So high contact means they deemed it to be to the head?

Yes, head or neck. High would mean above the shoulders, and I have not seen anything that shows contact was made to the head or neck.

 

[Didak Wine]

Absolutely ABSOLUTELY NOT GUILTY. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. I cant believe this. The media have created such hype about nothing. Absolute rubbish. Scolebutter and hogwash. What did he do wrong, bump someone in the chest who got up a second later. I am jumping out of my skin here. They hate us. This is it. That's all it is. It's open season on the champions.

Dale Thomas, hold your head up son. You done well.

 

[Shade]

Absolutely ABSOLUTELY NOT GUILTY. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. I cant believe this. The media have created such hype about nothing. Absolute rubbish. Scolebutter and hogwash. What did he do wrong, bump someone in the chest who got up a second later. I am jumping out of my skin here. They hate us. This is it. That's all it is. It's open season on the champions.

Dale Thomas, hold your head up son. You done well.

*facepalm*

 

[conodie05]

Absolutely ABSOLUTELY NOT GUILTY. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. I cant believe this. The media have created such hype about nothing. Absolute rubbish. Scolebutter and hogwash. What did he do wrong, bump someone in the chest who got up a second later. I am jumping out of my skin here. They hate us. This is it. That's all it is. It's open season on the champions.

Dale Thomas, hold your head up son. You done well.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122168/default.aspx

Charges laid:
Dale Thomas, Collingwood, has been charged with a level two engaging in rough conduct offence against Garrick Ibbotson, Fremantle, during the first quarter of the Round 23 match between Collingwood and Fremantle, played at Patersons Stadium on Friday August 26, 2011.

In summary, his previous poor record means that his two-game sanction must remain at two matches, even with an early plea.

Based on the video evidence available and a medical report available from Fremantle, the incident was assessed a reckless conduct (two points), low impact (two points) and high contact (two points). This is a total of five activation points, resulting in a classification of a level two offence drawing 225 demerit points and a two-match sanction. He has an existing poor record of one match suspended within the last three years, increasing the penalty by 10 per cent to 247.50 points. He has also 68.75 demerit points carried over from within the last 12 months, increasing the penalty to 316.25 points and a three-match sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 237.19 points and a two-match sanction.

Bold underlined section sums it up unfortunately.

 

[Ed D]

Look at the first angle of the footage. Its very quick but a clear view, unlike the most-played footage where Ibbotson is blocking the point point of contact. With no impeded view its clear that Daisy made head-high contact.

[youtube]NYw7AP_9wG4[/youtube]

Actually if you look at the side on vision, it's inconclusive because Fasolo is in the way when the supposed contact to the head is made. So no, it's not clear, although IMO it's fairly likely he did.

 

[KissStephanie]

Look at the first angle of the footage. Its very quick but a clear view, unlike the most-played footage where Ibbotson is blocking the point point of contact. With no impeded view its clear that Daisy made head-high contact.

I've looked at the real time bump at 7 seconds into the video frame by frame and the only thing clear about it is that it's inconclusive because it does not show contact was made to his head. His shoulder was at head level but I could not see any contact from his shoulder. Ibbottson turning his head at impact does not mean contact was made, and the only clear contact was Daisy's elbow and lower arm with his chest.

 

[Prince_Rhodesia]

It isn't that bad regarding impact, but he would have made contact to the head and given his previous suspension this year along with the carry over points, they got this one right. If he didn't have both feet off the ground at the time of contact, he would have maybe missed the Geelong game on Friday night.

 

[rachhanley]

What happened with the Freo guy who bumped Daisy in the head? Was this looked at?

 

[Didak Wine]

Inconclusive evidence. Period.

 

[Donakebab]

This is the clip from quarter time, clear contact with the head shown at 17 seconds.

[youtube]XyNJNKrz8ys[/youtube]

 

[Bayer_]

Very fortunate to get 2 weeks - could have caused serious damage, and only lack of that damage saved him. Certainly makes Buddy's suspensions look overly harsh.
Good luck in the finals, hope to meet you at the big dance.

 

[sirene]

Seriously, if I want to watch people play Chess, I will watch people play Chess! What is this game becoming?

 

[mattys123]

What happened with the Freo guy who bumped Daisy in the head? Was this looked at?

Nick Lower was the culprit, got 4 weeks, with no record and an early plea he can walk away with 3.

Now where's the justice in that?

One does a deliberate act that could have caused serious injury, while the other does a reckless act that was never going to injure the opponent.

MRP is still a joke, Lowers' case should have gone straight to the tribunal, worst hit of the year for mine, well it was the hit that could have caused the worst injury anyway.

 

[NTRabbit]

Oh for goodness sake. Jumping in the air on it's own doesn't mean a player is seriously injured and there isn't a rule against it. It takes head contact to cause "concussion related illness" so why on earth are you mentioning Scott Stevens? He has nothing to do with this incident considering Thomas did not make head contact.Yes he was concussed three times. Once in a marking contest against Freo, and the last two times at training, so I have no idea why this Bradesmaen is trying to link that to Dale Thomas. Extreme spin at it's best.

Actually, Stevens was heavily concussed twice by a player jumping into him on the field of play - by coincidence, both times it was Luke McPharlin, in successive years. The training issue was that, because of the repeated concussions, he started to suffer nausea and other symptoms when attempting to train this season.

 

[you pick one]

Not a fan of the MRP system gut feeling on Daisy, bit late, shouldn't of got more than a week

 

[Old Spice]

Be foolish to challenge that penalty and risk missing out on prelim.

 

[Ed D]

This is the clip from quarter time, clear contact with the head shown at 17 seconds.

[youtube]XyNJNKrz8ys[/youtube]

Again it's not clear. If he did make contact it was with his bicep, not his forearm or shoulder, which makes you think because it's his chest which is taking the force of the hit. Any contact to the heard would be very minor, and enough to be suspended for? I don't know.

Having inconclusive footage also means I don't think the Pies should contest it, because like Joel Selwood, he's guilty unless proven innocent. Anyone saying it's obvious Thomas hit Ibbotson in the head is jumping to conclusions or not looking closely enough. Likely, but not clearly.