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the distributer said:
Riewoldt changed direction at the last minute, didn't look great but the North kid didn't have a lot of time, he had already decided he was going and it's pretty hard to pull out in the heat of the moment, i think the player over the ball has to be a bit more carefull in those situations, especialy when they change direction, the other kid that got pinged (cant remember club or name) didn't even bump, he just chested the guy and got 2 weeks, ****ing ridiculous the way the game's going, something needs to be done.
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Greenwood. The problem for him is he ran about 2-3m past the ball and collected the Saints player high. It was soft but there was high contact. It was similar to the Daisy contest really. Ziebell IIRC collected Reiwold't head with his thigh, then smashed him into the ground as he landed doing most of the damage then. If there was a player who should have gotten more weeks it was Lower.
 
doppleganger said:
You already have said you reckon a fair penalty would be two weeks reduced to one........that is what he was given.
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No, he was given three weeks reduced to two weeks.
doppleganger said:
It is because we stupidly challenged an earlier suspension that he has 60 points hanging over his head. And the earlier suspension gives extra loading.
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Yes and I was taking that into account. As I've said, I'm aware of the 68.75 points that he had, but I think the contact is inconclusive and the act was negligent, so I believe he should have received two weeks reduced to one week.
doppleganger said:
If it was a clean skin who performed the exact same bump they would only cop one week.
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I don't agree. It seems that you and I see this differently. You're viewing it as it an incident that is worth more points than I do.
doppleganger said:
The system is designed to impact repeat offenders more harshly, and Dale is now a repeat offender.
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That's right, which should have given him two weeks reduced to one week with an early plea. I think without any loading it may be a one match incident reduced to reprimand with an early plea.
doppleganger said:
If he challenges it may cost him a PF....the club would be stupid to take that chance.
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I know that, but I feel confident it will be reduced considering the contact is inconclusive and I view the incident as negligent. I hope they challenge the penalty.
 
You're braver than I am KS!

I have little confidence it would be reduced.

Also, missing two isn't, in theory, a huge embuggerance for us, but missing three would definitely be a major setback.
 

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Lunchlady Doris said:
I'm so glad I subbed to this thread. Fantastic reading, I hope they do too KS, would be hilarious.
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Is that because you are a :

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Don't challenge. Little gain for great risk. I think were lucky enough as it is that we get to play an interstate side at home the week we won't have daisy. And if we manage to lose, id rather have Thomas back the following week. I'll be genuinely pissed off at the club if they challenge
 
Lunchlady Doris said:
It's the best reading any board when one of their better players is reported, people fall over themselves to make excuses, severely underpredict the penalty, sometimes even deny anything ever happened. It's great.
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Best keep reading and only comment if you have something semi worthwhile to say. So far you've offered nothing as an outsider.
 
Lunchlady Doris said:
It's the best reading any board when one of their better players is reported, people fall over themselves to make excuses, severely underpredict the penalty, sometimes even deny anything ever happened. It's great.
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By your post i assume that you didn't fall over yourself to make excuses for Selwood when he was reported earlier in the year?
 
this may have been answered previously, but did the carry over points relate to the incident earlier where Daisy smacked the St. Kilda player?

If yes, then our footy department have some serious questions as to why they challenged that report, when he clearly hit him on purpose.

This has now cost him and extra game and a final and 4 weeks out of football.
 

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dubber said:
By your post i assume that you didn't fall over yourself to make excuses for Selwood when he was reported earlier in the year?
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Though it was ludicrous to challenge Selwood's report, much like Thomas' which left him with the carryover points as noted above me.

Fair enough if there was no conclusive video, but Guerra had some serious damage, and I don't believe for a minute Selwood hit him accidentally. At the time I may have gone on about how perforating an eardrum doesn't take a whole lot of force, which is true if you get them right :D
 
Lunchlady Doris said:
Though it was ludicrous to challenge Selwood's report, much like Thomas' which left him with the carryover points as noted above me.

Fair enough if there was no conclusive video, but Guerra had some serious damage, and I don't believe for a minute Selwood hit him accidentally. At the time I may have gone on about how perforating an eardrum doesn't take a whole lot of force, which is true if you get them right :D
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Ah-Ah-ChBULLSHIToo! I bet if I could be bothered trawling through your board from the week proceeding Selwoods sanction you would be as blind as some people on here.

You are lucky this isn't the Saints board. You wouldn't have made it past your first post. :D
 
ThexderX said:
this may have been answered previously, but did the carry over points relate to the incident earlier where Daisy smacked the St. Kilda player?

If yes, then our footy department have some serious questions as to why they challenged that report, when he clearly hit him on purpose.

This has now cost him and extra game and a final and 4 weeks out of football.
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Yes, it was a mistake to challenge it back then. I am sure the club will learn from it and it wont happen again.
 
dubber said:
Yes, it was a mistake to challenge it back then. I am sure the club will learn from it and it wont happen again.
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I remember the talk at the time was "we'll challenge because we've got nothing to lose" cough cough, Karma bus hit us at top speed on this one.
 

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Shpeshal Ed said:
Cop the 2 and send him to Arizona for 2 weeks. He won't play for a month, might as well keep him in tip top shape and use him as a secret weapon for finals.
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Knowing the media, once he accepts the two weeks they will move on to weather he will go to Arizona and how clubs shouldnt be allowed to spend money like that and all the spending should be capped. I think we should send him to Arizona for about 10 days and get him back fitter like Dane Swan. Its worked out really well for Swanny since he came back.
 
I have to say when I look at the way the rules for the MRP are framed that I believe the MRP failed to correctly consider the incident on two fronts. I know that it's unlikely Daisy will challenge the suspension but I reckon he has two specific avenues if he does.

The first is the assessment of conduct which the panel assessed as reckless. Dictionary.com defines reckless as "Without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action". This definition does not sit comfortably with Daisy's actions as it seems apparent to me that he did extremely well to keep his arm low and tucked in. As far as I can tell, those are not the actions of someone who does not care about the consequences of his actions.

The second is the assessment of impact. It may sound good to say it was assessed as "low" but in truth I cannot see how it could be said to be anything more than negligible although I am certainly not privy to any medical reports provided by Fremantle. As far as I am aware, the only discussion I have heard about injury to Ibbotson relate to his shoulder. If the MRP have considered that injury in assessing Low rather than negligible impact then clearly they have erred. It is not logical to assess the contact as high and then consider the impact on another part of the body for the purposes of the same charge.

So in looking at the situation in its entirity I would say there is some case to consider a challenge even though the risks involved probably mean that the club won't go ahead with it. Personally, I reckon a challenge might stand something of a chance.
 
daics_35 said:
Knowing the media, once he accepts the two weeks they will move on to weather he will go to Arizona and how clubs shouldnt be allowed to spend money like that and all the spending should be capped. I think we should send him to Arizona for about 10 days and get him back fitter like Dane Swan. Its worked out really well for Swanny since he came back.
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Fk the media

If it works for you guys - go for it I reckon

Why kowtow to what a bunch of media performers have to say.

By the time the AFL does cap footy club expenditure, you guys may have banked 3 flags.
 
TheLip said:
The first is the assessment of conduct which the panel assessed as reckless. Dictionary.com defines reckless as "Without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action". This definition does not sit comfortably with Daisy's actions as it seems apparent to me that he did extremely well to keep his arm low and tucked in. As far as I can tell, those are not the actions of someone who does not care about the consequences of his actions.
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google up the tribunal booklet for 2011, it's easy to find.

"A player recklessly commits a reportable
offence if he engages in conduct that he realises or that a reasonable
player would realise may result in the reportable offence being
committed but nevertheless proceeds with that conduct not caring
whether or not that conduct will result in the commission of the
reportable offence"

textbook reckless grading. ball had gone and he jumped.
 

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