Thomas vs Murphy

[gandaal]

Why would they bitch about the Essendon supporter who is trying to have an balanced discussion, who openly admits his admiration for both players? Seems a bit stupid don't you think?

They're bitching about Carlton supporters because maybe they wanted to see a balanced discussion and not every Carlton supporter come in and claim "Murphy is GOD, Thomas not worthy to shine his boots"

Why is this poll also irrelevant? I'm comparing two players in their rookie seasons, the only thing that is not comparible is the fact that they play in different posistions.

Ryan Griffin and Chris Knights were recruited in the same year as well but I wouldn't be posting a poll to compare them.

This poll is unfair to Thomas because Marc at present is clearly a far far superior player. Thomas has a lot of talent and he may become a star of a comp eventually, given his impressive first year of AFL footy, but he's not at Marc's level. A poll comparing him to Marcus Drum, Shannon Hurn, Shaun Higgins, Grant Birchall or Nathan Jones from his draft would be fairer on the kid and less of an embarrassment.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Judging by their performances statistically head-to-head and round-by-round in 2006, I'd rate them:

Round 1 - Thomas
Round 2 - Thomas
Round 3 - Murphy
Round 4 - Thomas
Round 5 - Murphy
Round 6 - Thomas
Round 7 - Murphy
Round 8 - Thomas (by a whisker)
Round 9 - Thomas
Round 10 - N/A (Thomas DNP)
Round 11 - Murphy
Round 12 - Murphy
Round 13 - N/A (Thomas DNP, Murphy injured)
Rest of season - N/A (Murphy DNP)

So someone's going to have to come up with an impressive argument to convince me that they aren't comparable in exposed ability.

 

[La Dispute]

Thomas is just a soft HFF, he can take speckies all he likes, Murph will be the better player.

 

[BoundforGlory]

Could possibly be the worst poll ever. How could you compare a half decent HHF who comes in and out of games as apposed to some1 who will eventually average 25-30 possies a game????
Next please.

Give the basket caese something to get excited about...You notice that most of the posts are from Carlscum supporters, thats because we couldnt careless who is better, we have a young and exciting list to get wrapped about. Cloke, Egan, Rusling, Heath Shaw, Didak, Fraser, Reid, Brown, Pendelbury, Dawes, Thomas, Swan, IIles & few others not to mention.

There is no pride in building a team on successive wooden spoons, but hey one day when Gibbs, Murphy, Walker, Stevens, Kennedy win a flag, then they can stir the beer in the cup with the wooden spoons that were handed to them,,,

Absolute laughing stocks of the AFL,,,,,

By the way Ben Reid willbe better than all of them, watch this kid play!

 

[makethat2]

You mean the way he stands outside packs waiting for the soft non-contested receive? Real team inspiring stuff. A leader? Hilarious.

Not once has Thomas pulled out of a contest. His a different player to Murphy. Murphy IMO will a Ben Cousins type player where Thomas still has a bit of an unknown about him. He takes players on, takes big marks, kick classy goals and also has great vision to spot players up the feild. To suggest it a draft blunder is just arrogant.

 

[gandaal]

Judging by their performances statistically head-to-head and round-by-round in 2006, I'd rate them:

Round 1 - Thomas
Round 2 - Thomas
Round 3 - Murphy
Round 4 - Thomas
Round 5 - Murphy
Round 6 - Thomas
Round 7 - Murphy
Round 8 - Thomas (by a whisker)
Round 9 - Thomas
Round 10 - N/A (Thomas DNP)
Round 11 - Murphy
Round 12 - Murphy
Round 13 - N/A (Thomas DNP, Murphy injured)
Rest of season - N/A (Murphy DNP)

So someone's going to have to come up with an impressive argument to convince me that they aren't comparable in exposed ability.

Round 1: Murphy: Murphy got the rising star nomination. Thomas didn't.
Round 2: Thomas
Round 3: Murphy
Round 4: Thomas
Round 5: Murphy
Round 6: Thomas
Round 7: Murphy
Round 8: Murphy
Round 9: Murphy
Round 11: Murphy
Round 12: Murphy

Three out of twelve. I'm impressed he managed that many.

 

[parrot]

Not once has Thomas pulled out of a contest..

Not once, but about 12 times. Go watch his matches again. Murph gets his own ball, whereas Thomas lets others get it for him, and waits outside the pack.

 

[nick_savo]

I know Murphy is better but parrot you can not say that Thomas pulls out and wiats for the ball to be fed to him, or you are an absoulute d ick head.

 

[BoundforGlory]

Not once, but about 12 times. Go watch his matches again. Murph gets his own ball, whereas Thomas lets others get it for him, and waits outside the pack.

nodea whatsoever. I remember when walker made his debut, every carlscum supporter was saying that he was the white hope & could be anything. Well he is average at best & you hacks seem to overate your players severly because I guess you really dont have much going for your patheic club.

Murphy will a very good player, but so is Thomas. Hard to compare the two after 12 games, lets see after 12 years. Thomas goes in very hard fora first year player & he has something that MUrphy will NEVER have & thats the X factor!

F off carlscum, you will always be in envy of our great club! So go and try and buy some more flags you cheating pthetic excuse for a club

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Originally posted by gandaal

Round 1: Murphy: Murphy got the rising star nomination. Thomas didn't.
Round 2: Thomas
Round 3: Murphy
Round 4: Thomas
Round 5: Murphy
Round 6: Thomas
Round 7: Murphy
Round 8: Murphy
Round 9: Murphy
Round 11: Murphy
Round 12: Murphy

Three out of twelve. I'm impressed he managed that many.

Even by your appalling analysis it's three out of eleven as you left out Round 10. But let's look at the differences.

Round 1 -
Murphy: 11 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal 1 behind
Thomas: 10 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goals.

You've awarded it to Murphy, nice try.

Round 8 -
Murphy: 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 1 tackle
Thomas: 9 kicks, 8 handballs, 9 marks, 2 tackles, 1 behind

You've awarded it to Murphy with less possessions, marks, tackles and no scores... nice try.

Round 9: I'll admit was a mistake on my part as statistically Murphy was clearly better, but that's still 5 out of 11 where both were playing.

 

[parrot]

...was a mistake on my part as statistically Murphy was clearly better...

Who cares about statistics. Go watch the football matches and get back to us.

 

[gandaal]

Originally posted by gandaal

Even by your appalling analysis it's three out of eleven as you left out Round 10. But let's look at the differences.

Round 1 -
Murphy: 11 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal 1 behind
Thomas: 10 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goals.

You've awarded it to Murphy, nice try.

Round 8 -
Murphy: 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 1 tackle
Thomas: 9 kicks, 8 handballs, 9 marks, 2 tackles, 1 behind

You've awarded it to Murphy with less possessions, marks, tackles and no scores... nice try.

Round 9: I'll admit was a mistake on my part as statistically Murphy was clearly better, but that's still 5 out of 11 where both were playing.

Round 1:
1. An independent panel of selectors picked Marc as the better of the two in that round.

Marc had more clearences, more inside 50s, more 1%s, more possessions and a better overall game.

Nice try but bad luck.

Round 8:
Umm??? According to you're stats Murphy had more possessions. Only one less mark, one less tackle and I wouldn't be counting a missed opportunity of a behind as a positive for Thomas.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I have been, it hasn't been the Collingwood supporters who've been absent from games, nor from watching on television as the Pies are the most watched club in the league.

It's your rabble who can't pay people to turn up, not even under the table.

gandaal: Touche, you've got me by one possession. Either way, you're the one arguing that Murphy was better and by a mile, all I'm suggesting is that they are comparable. The onus of proof is still on you.

 

[gandaal]

I have been, it hasn't been the Collingwood supporters who've been absent from games, nor from watching on television as the Pies are the most watched club in the league.

It's your rabble who can't pay people to turn up, not even under the table.

Thanks for admitting you're wrong

 

[parrot]

I...It's your rabble who can't pay people to turn up, not even under the table.

Hey, did you vote to have your club merged with Hawthorn, like RJ did?

 

[M-Train]

Parrot... stop living in your fantasy land where carlton are the greatest.... Carlton have come 16th the last two years... put some wins on the board!

Firstly, both Thomas and Murphy are stars of the future! This is a bad argument as both players are different types. Thomas is not the midfield type that Murphy is. Murphy would be a Cousins/West type and Thomas is the Hird/Robertson type!

Marc Murphy is and will be an absolute gun, the reason he stands out is because the carlton midfield is woeful!! Even as a first year player, Murphy looked miles ahead of the midfield trash at carlton.

To compare him to Thomas is unfair as Collingwood would have probably picked Murphy had they had the first pick, but we didnt so we with our 2nd pick we picked Dale Thomas.

Thomas brings people to games, he will be the poster boy for the pies once Bucks retires... and for the record... Collingwood rose from 15th to the finals last year .... Carlton have come 16th the past two years and will probably come last again in 2007!

Cant wait for the 2007 draft talk blue boys.... another 1st pick headed your way... who will you choose???

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Thanks for admitting you're wrong

I don't have a hard time admitting that 18 is more than 17, no.

If you're going to argue that an independent panel considered Murphy better than Thomas in round 1, you're going to have to contend with the fact that the same panel considered Danyle Pearce, Andrew Raines and Heath Shaw better than Marc Murphy in 2006.

 

[trueblue_91]

Two great talents, however all I hear from Carlton supporters and people in general is Murphy, Murphy, Murphy

Dale Thomas is LARGELY forgotten on BF and personally, I rate him ahead of Murphy, notwithstanding his premature season due to injury. I think Thomas has that flair (the speccies, thrilling goals) that Murphy does not have.

In saying so I am eagerly looking forward to both their careers blossoming.

ouch thomas-15 murphy 64


what were u thinking?

 

[parrot]

ouch thomas-15 murphy 64


what were u thinking?

Talent envy perhaps?

 

[mediumsizered]

Parrot... stop living in your fantasy land where carlton are the greatest.... Carlton have come 16th the last two years... put some wins on the board!

Firstly, both Thomas and Murphy are stars of the future! This is a bad argument as both players are different types. Thomas is not the midfield type that Murphy is. Murphy would be a Cousins/West type and Thomas is the Hird/Robertson type!

Marc Murphy is and will be an absolute gun, the reason he stands out is because the carlton midfield is woeful!! Even as a first year player, Murphy looked miles ahead of the midfield trash at carlton.

To compare him to Thomas is unfair as Collingwood would have probably picked Murphy had they had the first pick, but we didnt so we with our 2nd pick we picked Dale Thomas.

Thomas brings people to games, he will be the poster boy for the pies once Bucks retires... and for the record... Collingwood rose from 15th to the finals last year .... Carlton have come 16th the past two years and will probably come last again in 2007!

Cant wait for the 2007 draft talk blue boys.... another 1st pick headed your way... who will you choose???

Your first post. It started off alright, the first 3 1/2 paragraphs well thought out & offered what seemed to be mostly an objective opinion. Then you went & spoiled the whole thing by trolling in the last 2 paragraphs. A shame really, your first post should be something you remember for ever, but you went & wrecked the moment with a bit of emotional thinking. If only you could have your time over again you would probably make sure your first post was one that everyone would applaud you for. Oh well, these things happen.

 

[Silvagnis]

I don't have a hard time admitting that 18 is more than 17, no.

If you're going to argue that an independent panel considered Murphy better than Thomas in round 1, you're going to have to contend with the fact that the same panel considered Danyle Pearce, Andrew Raines and Heath Shaw better than Marc Murphy in 2006.

They're second and third year players who have at least two pre-seasons under their belt, so what do they have to do with Murphy being a superior footballer to Thomas?

Walker was arguably better than those three names in 2006 so I guess we should go off topic and compare him to those players.

And he's younger than all of them.

 

[makethat2]

They're second and third year players who have at least two pre-seasons under their belt, so what do they have to do with Murphy being a superior footballer to Thomas?

Walker was arguably better than those three names in 2006 so I guess we should go off topic and compare him to those players.

And he's younger than all of them.

Now i know Carlton supporters are one eyed. Walker is a good average footballer who can't kick. The three named in the other thread(Shaw, Pearce and Raines) can all run quicker than Walker, have a better Football brain than Walker and can kick to there own team mates. You don't have to keep justifying picking up Walker ahead of Broack Mclean. There's already a thread about that.

 

[BedlamHawk]

This is a silly question, everyone knows Thomas Murphy is gonna be a gun player...

 

[doppleganger]

This poll is unfair to Thomas because Marc at present is clearly a far far superior player. Thomas has a lot of talent and he may become a star of a comp eventually, given his impressive first year of AFL footy, but he's not at Marc's level.

That is a stupid comment

Murphy may have had a good start to his career, but so has Thomas. They are different types of players, Murphy being an accumulator of possies whilst Thomas can do some amazing flashy things.

Murphy probably exceeded expectations in his first year and was doing well until his injury

Thomas likewise exceeded expectations in his first year, how highly rated is evidenced by his inclusion in the team for the first final. Thomas hadn't played since round 18 when he injured himself by competing in a ruck contest against adelaide, and yet he was brought straight into the side for a final, and he didn't look out of place! Not many first year players would have the confidence to take a screamer in the defensive 50 when their team is getting beaten!

Murphy probably ahead at this stage, but not as massive a gap as some Carlton people seem to think

 

[parrot]

This is a great compilation of some of Fevs 2006 efforts. Just watch how many times Murph effects the perfect delivery. Pure class. Waite and Walker show off their extreme talent as well. There's a nice passage where Eddie and Waite make complete fools of some Collingwood no-talents, and setup a nice Fev goal. Enjoy.