Opinion THORP: The Good, The Bad and all the Unknowns in-between

Would you be happy to pick-up Thorp at #39 or #51


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We know what some individuals may think but let's see how the numbers stack up.

It also leaves the Mods free from needing to clean up the Draft thread.
 

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IF we go down that path, those making the decision will have weighed it up very carefully and IF they decide to take the risk then I'd be very happy to back them in.

Fair chance we're not interested I'd say, in which case I won't lose any sleep.
 

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Just a warning: The slagging off comment in the other thread was tongue in cheek. If this becomes a pointscoring/pouting/sulking thread, it will be gone and people dealt with. State your opinions and don't worry about others.

No point scoring needed and if for some reason Thorp does get selected as was alluded to by Denham (?) on SEN this morning, then I'll be happy to wear egg on my face.

Irrespective of what we may know, we can't be 100% sure of what may happen on draft day (Well at least 99.95 percent of us) It's not our call.
 

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Yes, at #51. Can't be any worse than Rowe and Casboult.
It's not talent that's holding Thorp. The ex-Hawk isn't even a "second chance player". Didn't make it the first time due to his ego and personality. Even Hartlett, Austin and Bower lasted longer at Carlton. No one showed any interest in after the Hawks cut him. Lost cause after Hodge and Mitchell spoke to him as leaders..

Hawks had more time for Schoenmakers.

Thorp's effort in Tasmania isn't anything to write home about. That second division league isn't a patch on the VFL, SANFL and WAFL.
 
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I'm a little confused. If it is not talent that is holding back Thorp then the level of football he was excelling at in Tasmania is neither here nor there.

If talent is not the problem, the question should be 'is he still a disruptive influence or isn't he?'

Personally my bigger query is about whether he has AFL level talent or not, and hoping that if we took a chance we didn't give up a decent draft pick or much of our salary cap space.
 

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I'm a little confused. If it is not talent that is holding back Thorp then the level of football he was excelling at in Tasmania is neither here nor there.
If talent is not the problem, the question should be 'is he still a disruptive influence or isn't he?'
Personally my bigger query is about whether he has AFL level talent or not, and hoping that if we took a chance we didn't give up a decent draft pick or much of our salary cap space.


ODN, I'm not wishing to derail this thread but I do know that we're going hard to get our Culture the way we want it to be.
Not everything was quite the way we wanted it last year, apparently. We did have some bad influences............apparently.

Now Thorp may be considered as a possible distraction or maybe Malthouse may see his as someone he can control.
We'll find out soon enough but having a cohesive group is very high on the agenda at the CFC right now.
 
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ODN, I'm not wishing to derail this thread but I do know that we're going hard to get our Culture the way we want it to be.
Not everything was quite the way we wanted it last year, apparently. We did have some bad influences............apparently.

Now Thorp may be considered as a possible distraction or maybe Malthouse may see his as someone he can control.
We'll find out soon enough but having a cohesive group is very high on the agenda at the CFC right now.
I have no problem with having an approach to good culture. Are we talking last year as in 2012 or 2013 when we are talking bad influences? I'm not sure who has left that was a bad influence on anybody either way. Let's remember who Mick was coaching only two years ago and some of their so called culture issues.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Thorp. I want to get a couple more key talls and preferably one developed one included in that. How we get them is up to the club. The only thing Thorp has going for him in my mind is that he was once considered talented enough to be a #6 draft pick but so were other failures.

I'm not fully buying into the culture concerns and I'm not fully buying into the talent theories. Very much leaving it up to others to speculate, playing devil's advocate and leaving it up to the club.
 

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I'm a little confused. If it is not talent that is holding back Thorp then the level of football he was excelling at in Tasmania is neither here nor there.

If talent is not the problem, the question should be 'is he still a disruptive influence or isn't he?'

Personally my bigger query is about whether he has AFL level talent or not, and hoping that if we took a chance we didn't give up a decent draft pick or much of our salary cap space.
The level of football is relevant to the argument that Thorp's performance makes him draftable. Even the Dogs ruled out Thorp after this record breaking season. Playing good football and fatherhood doesn't make one a reformed man. Just look at Fevola.

Fool me once...

We're chasing players to build for the future and not the next five minutes.
 
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The level of football is relevant to the argument that Thorp's performance makes him draftable. Even the Dogs ruled out Thorp after this record breaking season. Playing good football and fatherhood doesn't make one a reformed man. Just look at Fevola.

Fool me once...

We're chasing players to build for the future and not the next five minutes.
I was responding to you saying 'it's not talent that is holding Thorp'. If it is not talent, then it is attitude. If form at a lower level is no indication, then it may still be talent that is holding him back.

As for chasing players to build for the future and not for the next five minutes, it takes away drafting for short term needs, takes away speculative project players, takes away your Brian Lakes, Stewie Dews etc. What are late draft picks and rookie selections for? Any less risk in either of the Ciarans, one of which has been here, left, and now come back having never played our game.

Again, devil's advocate.
 

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OMG was this necessary. Mods dont want slanging or point scoring yet you know who opens with more unsubstantiated rhetoric.
Have voted and aired my opinion and some facts that cannot be refuted in the DRAFT thread.
Yet the same tiresome stuff starts again above.
Again....the Hawks board up until his foot injury in 2009 which ultimately led to his delisting, (and I cannot speak authoritatively as to whether this was directly or indirectly), adored him. I repeat the quote "the white Franklin". This "reputation" a few have given him was not evident before the delisting, so I am as satisfied as I can be that it did not casuse the delisting. I dare say he took a year or 2 to get his body right, if in fact it could now stand up to the rigours of the AFL.
I could say plenty more on the "opinions" of others, but has been done to death and the majority here have open minded opinions which I am confident will be shown.
For the record I would be happy to expend #51 or rookie, if reports are correct that is probably as much as it would cost. The other clubs with significant need for tall forwards have largely addressed this in the trade period. Most clubs, including us would ideally prefer good kids to older recruits.
I look at possible best 22 scenarios for 2014 and beyond and see up 5 decent midfield players on our list, most developing that will probably miss out. Our greatest need is in the KPP department.
My preference would be to draft McCarthy if available, in this case would only take MT in rookie draft. I know most want mids, but currently our pending retirees are outnumbered by decent kids, albeit we have no Judds coming along.
I will not be posting again in this thread. What needs to be said has been said.
 

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It's not talent that's holding Thorp. The ex-Hawk isn't even a "second chance player". Didn't make it the first time due to his ego and personality. Even Hartlett, Austin and Bower lasted longer at Carlton. No one showed any interest in after the Hawks cut him. Lost cause after Hodge and Mitchell spoke to him as leaders..

Hawks had more time for Schoenmakers.

Thorp's effort in Tasmania isn't anything to write home about. That second division league isn't a patch on the VFL, SANFL and WAFL.
To be fair he also had a serious foot injury at the time to go with the ego issues. Assuming both are now gone, can't see why we wouldn't take a punt with #51... We could always give him a 1 year performance based contract and sack him if he's still a head case.
More Upside than down I say...
 

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Pick #51 for mine. I think he may be worth the punt. End of the day, I'll sit on the fence and back the club either way. You'd imagine he'd have a shizenload of hunger if he IS fair dinkum. Then we'll see this "potential" thing people talk about.

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