Thread for supporters who feel lost

[Partridge]

It's an opinion based on perceived probabilities. No one knows for certain what the future holds. We could get extremely lucky and get 4-5 guns with picks in the forties. Unlikely but possible. Football supporters have very narrow views on rebuild cycles that always understate how long they take. Most view teams that are just starting a rebuild as being potentially a flag challenger within 4-5 years. It's always atleast 8-10 unless there is a lot of luck. In 2007 after the Blues recruited Judd I thought it was a decision that would doom them and wouldn't open a serious flag window to atleast 2020 as it would taken them 6 years to even realise that they needed to rebuild again. I was called an idiot. 2020 may be too early for them. We are now about where the Blues were in 2010 with one key difference. We do have a slim ability to snag a flag before we hit that full rebuild mode again in about 3 -4 years. When we do it will then be atleast another 8-10 years before we have any hope of hitting a serious flag window again.

Ungenerous on your part. He was the man who sent back a bowl of chips. There's no metric for that kind of awesomeness.

 

[BlightysCats]

sydney continue to not get it done despite consistent top 4 and regular GFs. adelaide, port, freo all got close recently and didnt close it out. bulldogs recently lost 3 PFs in a row.

It's not opinion there are factual errors here.
Sydney did get it done in 2012, and seeing as your post is comparing teams to Geelong Sydney have been far far better in finals than us in the last 5 years, as I said they've won more Prelims alone than we have finals in that time.
As for the Bulldogs they recently won the premiership, 7 years ago (which isn't recently) they lost the last of their three Prelims.

 

[BlightysCats]

We have come a long way from being a personality driven Club run by individuality rather than inclusion and focus.

Rubbish Cook is a little Napoleon down there, if you don't think he pretty much has total control of the club you either don't know anyone who's had anything to do with it in recent times or you're living in a dream world. Cook controls the purse strings and thus controls the club.

 

[candiehappy]

Sydney did get it done in 2012, and seeing as your post is comparing teams to Geelong Sydney have been far far better in finals than us in the last 5 years, as I said they've won more Prelims alone than we have finals in that time.

Correct, don't generally agree with you but fair is fair.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Rubbish Cook is a little Napoleon down there, if you don't think he pretty much has total control of the club you either don't know anyone who's had anything to do with it in recent times or you're living in a dream world. Cook controls the purse strings and thus controls the club.

You have proved to me a few times that you have no serious knowledge of how a business operates , the above post is yet another example of your ignorant perception.
I don't see you as a genuine supporter , rather I see you as a cancer who started potting the coach and became emboldened to extend that to pretty much everyone and everything about the Club.
You're entitled to your vile opinions but don't bother replying to any of my posts and denigrating my opinions or views.
I'm too old to suffer fools

 

[Go Hoops]

Rubbish Cook is a little Napoleon down there, if you don't think he pretty much has total control of the club you either don't know anyone who's had anything to do with it in recent times or you're living in a dream world. Cook controls the purse strings and thus controls the club.

Seeing you find so much wrong with a club that has been outstandingly successful in the last decade, why do you support barrack for it. Go follow one of the teams like Richmond who have perennial whiners. You should feel quite at home there.

 

[BlightysCats]

You have proved to me a few times that you have no serious knowledge of how a business operates , the above post is yet another example of your ignorant perception.
I don't see you as a genuine supporter , rather I see you as a cancer who started potting the coach and became emboldened to extend that to pretty much everyone and everything about the Club.
You're entitled to your vile opinions but don't bother replying to any of my posts and denigrating my opinions or views.
I'm too old to suffer fools

You might be too much of a fool to suffer the truth, I know for a fact Cook runs nearly all facets of the club and if anybody wants money for anything down there they have to go through him first. Any program, extra staff, event, even supporters group, it is all run by him first - now if that isn't authoritarian power what is?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

You might be too much of a fool to suffer the truth, I know for a fact Cook runs nearly all facets of the club and if anybody wants money for anything down there they have to go through him first. Any program, extra staff, event, even supporters group, it is all run by him first - now if that isn't authoritarian power what is?

If it's in his PD he's responsible for it , plain and simple - doesn't mean he runs the whole shooting match
So little grasp of how Organisations function - what do you do for a living champ?

 

[Spazz Cat]

It's an opinion based on perceived probabilities. No one knows for certain what the future holds. We could get extremely lucky and get 4-5 guns with picks in the forties. Unlikely but possible. Football supporters have very narrow views on rebuild cycles that always understate how long they take. Most view teams that are just starting a rebuild as being potentially a flag challenger within 4-5 years. It's always atleast 8-10 unless there is a lot of luck. In 2007 after the Blues recruited Judd I thought it was a decision that would doom them and wouldn't open a serious flag window to atleast 2020 as it would taken them 6 years to even realise that they needed to rebuild again. I was called an idiot. 2020 may be too early for them. We are now about where the Blues were in 2010 with one key difference. We do have a slim ability to snag a flag before we hit that full rebuild mode again in about 3 -4 years. When we do it will then be atleast another 8-10 years before we have any hope of hitting a serious flag window again.

Can't believe anyone called you an idiot for the Judd thing. That scenario just seemed like a no brainier.

 

[Landgraft]

What kind of monster would want to keep spending under control at the organisation he runs? Typical atrocities from Brian 'Genghis Khan' Cook yet again.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

No.
This is his 3rd year as he begun in 2014.

I feel he began in 2014

2014 = year 1
2015 = year 2
2016 = year 3
2017 (this year) = his 4th year.

He's another GHS unfortunately. Great 2's player. Just lacks the "spark" to be an automatic selection at afl level.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Gregson isn't an automatic selection at all. In fact he hasn't proven anything.

Incorrect. When he's been fit, Scott has consistently played him.

 

[Bobby_]

I feel he began in 2014

2014 = year 1
2015 = year 2
2016 = year 3
2017 (this year) = his 4th year.

He's another GHS unfortunately. Great 2's player. Just lacks the "spark" to be an automatic selection at afl level.

Ok but you can't bag a player when the season has barely begun.
If we were in May or June then you can use the 4th year player as a means to bring it to our attention but he's still a very inexperienced player.
Horlin-Smith is the age we should all be able to let loose on as they've been around long enough.

I'm honestly very convinced with Darcy Lang. I know you will not take this in and will laugh at me but I see Lang becoming one our top 5 players after he gets to 100 games.
Horlin-Smith may yet make it as he was good on the weekend. Nothing suggests he is in trouble at the moment.

 

[catempire]

Can't believe anyone called you an idiot for the Judd thing. That scenario just seemed like a no brainier.

So much so that it was a widely held belief and people generally wondered why he chose Carlton.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Incorrect. When he's been fit, Scott has consistently played him.

Incorrect, he got dropped twice last year.

Regardless, an opinion that indicates a 29 game small forward (whose career stats are worse than that of Darcy Lang who isn't currently in the team) is an automatic selection in the team is both ludicrous and irrational.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Ok but you can't bag a player when the season has barely begun.
If we were in May or June then you can use the 4th year player as a means to bring it to our attention but he's still a very inexperienced player.
Horlin-Smith is the age we should all be able to let loose on as they've been around long enough.

I'm honestly very convinced with Darcy Lang. I know you will not take this in and will laugh at me but I see Lang becoming one our top 5 players after he gets to 100 games.
Horlin-Smith may yet make it as he was good on the weekend. Nothing suggests he is in trouble at the moment.

I take it on board brother, and ultimately we're all just offering up opinions, not facts. I hope you end up being right.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Incorrect, he got dropped twice last year.

Regardless, an opinion that indicates a 29 game small forward (whose career stats are worse than that of Darcy Lang who isn't currently in the team) is an automatic selection in the team is both ludicrous and irrational.

No, it's not. He played all year in his debut season. He had injury issues last year. You're actually a bit like hodgepodge. You twist facts, ala Donald Trump to pump up your narrative. You'll find most on these boards take what you type with a large chunk of salt...

 

[barmy44]

It's not opinion there are factual errors here.
Sydney did get it done in 2012, and seeing as your post is comparing teams to Geelong Sydney have been far far better in finals than us in the last 5 years, as I said they've won more Prelims alone than we have finals in that time.
As for the Bulldogs they recently won the premiership, 7 years ago (which isn't recently) they lost the last of their three Prelims.

there arent errors of fact, blightys.

sydney continue (4 seasons running) to not get it done, despite being top 4 each year and being heavy favourites in 2 GFs (consistent GFs). no dispute they 'got it done in 2012', never asserted otherwise.

the context of my post was league leading 1 flag per 7 years average from hawthorn - that is the best over 120 years of AFL. in that context, the bulldogs did lose 3 PFs recently. no dispute their flag was 'more' recent, never asserted otherwise.

youre arguing interpretation again. nothing i said was a 'factual error' (sorry others not involved in this, these side shows between posters are uninteresting, i know).

also, i wasnt comparing recent finals records to geelongs, which i acknowledged as poor in any event. it was that flags are hard to win, and at absolute best a team can expect 1 every 7 years across their history.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Incorrect, he got dropped twice last year.

Regardless, an opinion that indicates a 29 game small forward (whose career stats are worse than that of Darcy Lang who isn't currently in the team) is an automatic selection in the team is both ludicrous and irrational.

Yep. I like him but even when fit he certainly isn't an automatic selection.
Fighting for a spot with Lang, Parfitt, Cockatoo at least.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

No, it's not. He played all year in his debut season. He had injury issues last year. You're actually a bit like hodgepodge. You twist facts, ala Donald Trump to pump up your narrative. You'll find most on these boards take what you type with a large chunk of salt...

You're a strange cat. Argumentative, aggressive and last but not least, a little delusional.

If you really think Gregson is an automatic inclusion based on 29 underwhelming games of AFL football there's not much we can really take from any future opinions.

Ciao.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Yep. I like him but even when fit he certainly isn't an automatic selection.
Fighting for a spot with Lang, Parfitt, Cockatoo at least.

Lang's career stats are better yet he's on the outer ... I guess he completely disagrees with the MC and should lodge a formal complaint.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Shut thread down
Everything Seeds discussed was put to bed in round 1.
Key players missing
2nd tier stood up
Solid defense and fast ball movement was back.
Controlled every quarter and didn't get out of third gear in the last
Great start with a lot of improvements to come with returning players and more forward experience for Harry.

So because the team performed well in round 1 against a bottom 4 side, all issues are rectified?

 

[BlightysCats]

and at absolute best a team can expect 1 every 7 years across their history.

I never disputed this ^ but flags being hard to win isn't the issue this thread is dealing with it's the way in which you plan to deliver a flag and we've abandoned a system that worked astoundingly well for us for a new system that's delivered precisely sweet F all to date and seems won't in the near future.

 

[barmy44]

I never disputed this ^ but flags being hard to win isn't the issue this thread is dealing with it's the way in which you plan to deliver a flag and we've abandoned a system that worked astoundingly well for us for a new system that's delivered precisely sweet F all to date and seems won't in the near future.

the system that delivered us flags '07-'11 didnt deliver flags to many other teams who tried similar. geelong of that period are not the only team to do what youre advocating, and it is simply no guarantee. that team had a collection of talent rarely seen in one side.

on the above, yeah - it might not. cant wait to find out though, either way. i think this excitement simply for a new season is possibly where we most differ as fans.

weve all supported through worse, and will see each other on the other side regardless.

 

[barmy44]

out of curiousity BlightysCats - and genuine question:

we aggressively trade out our current stars starting october 2017, and wells hits the draft HARD over the next few seasons. joel corey comes in as head coach.

the draftees are, on the whole, classic wells 'left of centre' picks. they arent that good. joel corey turns out to be a very poor head coach.

in 10 years time, geelong select their latest in a string of top 4 picks. most experts predict he will again amount to little, much like the last 5.

how do you feel then? again, genuine question... im not trying to inflame anything.