Three Kiwis under investigation for match fixing

[blackcat]

Like I said I'm not sure either way on Cairns - I'm happy to sit in the fence until this is resolved - but I know that Vincent is bad and have for a long, long time

cos he is australian, from Adelaide.

 

[blackcat]

Steve Waugh knew about Hansie Cronje or Cronjie before it came out. Either the saffa cap'n had attempted to conspire with our skipper (which seems unlikely but who knows) or Tugga had the mail on him and whispers thru the saffa grapevine. when i first saw Waugh's pressa i was wondering why he was so diplomatic and resident to support Cronje back when the story broke. Well, in hindsight, I now see he was saying alot by what he was not saying

 

[frankrizzo]

Steve Waugh knew about Hansie Cronje or Cronjie before it came out. Either the saffa cap'n had attempted to conspire with our skipper (which seems unlikely but who knows) or Tugga had the mail on him and whispers thru the saffa grapevine. when i first saw Waugh's pressa i was wondering why he was so diplomatic and resident to support Cronje back when the story broke. Well, in hindsight, I now see he was saying alot by what he was not saying

Waugh often talked about how much he respected cronje as a leader but if he did that already knowing full well cronje was a fixer then it goes against everything we know about waugh and it would also make him dumber than dave warner.

Did you ever think waugh in that press conference was much like the rest of us and genuinely shocked at the idea that cronje of all men was a fixer? He was up with waugh as one of those blokes most felt could simply never do something like that.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Boom

 

[ManWithNoName]

 

[ManWithNoName]

He was fixing NZ games?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Must say, losing a bit of respect for McCullum. All these approaches and he didn't report him until 3 years later.

 

[The Speaker]

Must say, losing a bit of respect for McCullum. All these approaches and he didn't report him until 3 years later.

McCullum's matured a lot over the last few years.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Must say, losing a bit of respect for McCullum. All these approaches and he didn't report him until 3 years later.

He may have felt very conflicted and not wanting to be a whistleblower about someone he was close to

 

[ManWithNoName]

He may have felt very conflicted and not wanting to be a whistleblower about someone he was close to

He said as such. But still.

 

[Muffin_Man]

i am trying to get my head around this!
why would anyone who is talented and lucky enough to play cricket for a living get involved in this sordid shit!
i liked watching cairns and not in a million years would i have thought he was involved in match fixing.

 

[Muffin_Man]

Must say, losing a bit of respect for McCullum. All these approaches and he didn't report him until 3 years later.

same here mate.
i wonder how deep it goes and how many household names are involved?

 

[frankrizzo]

i am trying to get my head around this!
why would anyone who is talented and lucky enough to play cricket for a living get involved in this sordid shit!
i liked watching cairns and not in a million years would i have thought he was involved in match fixing.

Some might make the case that the more talented and popular players are better targets for this sort of stuff, their standing in the game is more likely to lead them to believe they are underpaid(well for many 1990's stars this was actually true) and their success on the field leads to the arrogance that makes them think they simply won't get caught.

 

[The_Reaper]

He was fixing NZ games?

Doesn't seem like they were fixing NZ games.

Just an easy point to meet.

Nobody would be suspicious of Chris Cairns, former NZ international and currently in England playing county cricket, going to visit the New Zealand team when New Zealand was playing Worcestershire.

 

[blackcat]

Some might make the case that the more talented and popular players are better targets for this sort of stuff, their standing in the game is more likely to lead them to believe they are underpaid(well for many 1990's stars this was actually true) and their success on the field leads to the arrogance that makes them think they simply won't get caught.

spotfixing is pretty easy to justify<?>

eh, whats one no-ball, even in a 20-20. butterfly effect, random(ness), all that rigmarole, one run wont make a difference to the outcome, it is like the Zeno's paradox of the arrow in flight. Isolating this one event as a no-ball, does not materially change the outcome of the match event.

 

[blackcat]

Doesn't seem like they were fixing NZ games.

Just an easy point to meet.

Nobody would be suspicious of Chris Cairns, former NZ international and currently in England playing county cricket, going to visit the New Zealand team when New Zealand was playing Worcestershire.

spot-fixing is not match-fixing. this is how they would justify it.

however, if you were told, as a fan, that the individual events were susceptible to fantasy no-balls, would you ever have confidence in the entire game?

 

[The_Reaper]

spot-fixing is not match-fixing. this is how they would justify it.

however, if you were told, as a fan, that the individual events were susceptible to fantasy no-balls, would you ever have confidence in the entire game?

oh I get how they justify it.

But just saying that Cairns approaching McCullum in a NZ tour match against Worcestershire doesn't make the NZ matches dodgy.

It's just that it's a pretty good place to approach McCullum, when you're Chris Cairns, New Zealand cricketing legend.

John the Bookie can only meet players in private but Chris Cairns can rock up to a pub where McCullum is drinking with Ricky Ponting and request a talk.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

i am trying to get my head around this!
why would anyone who is talented and lucky enough to play cricket for a living get involved in this sordid shit!
i liked watching cairns and not in a million years would i have thought he was involved in match fixing.

Sportsmen's careers are short and the Kiwis back then were hardly the most well-paid of cricketers. Imagine how galling it must feel to know that some cricketers are multi-millionaires over their careers and you, while having worked as hard as them, are going to have to find a proper job as soon as you finish up your sports career.

None of them are used to 'normal' life, it must seem horrifying as a prospect.

As I've got older, I've become less and less surprised when I hear of either doping or fixing.

The world being what it is.

 

[The Speaker]

Andre Adams testifies that Cairns called the ICL powerless to stop fixing, and that Vincent approached him. Kyle Mills confirms that McCullum told him of Cairns' attempt to recuit McCullum.

 

[Kram]

Cairns was one of my favourite players as a kid, ****ing pillock

 

[The Speaker]

Ponting corroborates McCullum's phone call, Vincent's ex-wife testifies to the activities of Cairns and Vincent.

I see no way out for Cairns.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I don't entirely buy Punters testimony.

"He had a phone call and I heard none of it and I didn't ask about it and he didn't tell me about it and I forgot all about it and I know nothing about it"

Come on Punter. I'm not saying the phone call didn't happen the way it did. I just think Punter's trying to keep himself separate from it all.

 

[The_Reaper]

I don't entirely buy Punters testimony.

"He had a phone call and I heard none of it and I didn't ask about it and he didn't tell me about it and I forgot all about it and I know nothing about it"

Come on Punter. I'm not saying the phone call didn't happen the way it did. I just think Punter's trying to keep himself separate from it all.

Most people wouldn't normally try and remember too much about someone else's private phone calls.

If you're drinking with a mate and he gets a phone call and then tells you it was business - how much do you actually remember?

Most people would just dump it in the "none of my business" category

 

[western royboy]

Most people wouldn't normally try and remember too much about someone else's private phone calls.

If you're drinking with a mate and he gets a phone call and then tells you it was business - how much do you actually remember?

Most people would just dump it in the "none of my business" category

Why call him as a witness?

 

[The_Reaper]

Why call him as a witness?

Because he can confirm McCullum's story of getting a call at the time?