Thursfield.

[santa claws]

OKAY HAVE TO ADMIT I GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER POSTER ON ANOTHER SITE.
While i thought similar it was not till i read this that i decided to start a thread.
this guy said it better than i ever could. its from a poster called tooheys of old over at pre.
quote: it must be a terrible wake up call for wil. (and the club for that matter)that he had such little trade value in a market where players had more trade value than usual. what with gc 17 knocking on the door.

we over rate the value of our players as supporters. Unfortuntely the other clubs professionals do not.
this puts the club in a very awkward position during trade week as we are trying to upgrade the list but have very little currency to play with: end quote.

i have to ask what does this say about our kpds as it could be mcguane or rance or moore just as easily as it was thursfield he was talking about.

here we are with most probably rating thursty in front others we havent tried to shop around.

its funny in a way this failure to trade him has been overlooked in the grigg collins debate.

 

[Azzleberry]

Agreed that it is of some concern. I get the feeling that we always let our players go cheap but over-pay when we trade players in. Wouldn't be surprised to see Thursty traded for a third rounder tomorrow to someone like Sydney... Wait till 2pm tomorrow and then we can really understand how we fared and our list going forward...

 

[brjafi]

got a feeling he wont be going anywhere tommorow, if he wants to go that bad it will be through the draft, if he's not contracted that is. and as for a wake up call, that could work in our favour shall he stay.

 

[Tigermad2011]

One trick pony and the other clubs can see that.
He has no improvemnet left in him. If he is not traded this year he will not be at the club in 2012.

 

[Cutty]

sucked in thursfield, not as valuable as you thought

seriously though its a shame we couldn't move him on if he wanted to leave, they guy is just trying to extend his career and i don't blame for that.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

One trick pony and the other clubs can see that.
He has no improvemnet left in him. If he is not traded this year he will not be at the club in 2012.

...and a very good one trick pony at that......

 

[TheProwler]

As a full back your have one main role: Stop the opposition FF.

FB is a thankless position where the player sacrifices his own game to ensure the opposition doesn't have an easy hit up to the full forward. It's not about how many rebound 50's you have. It's not about contested marks, it's aimed at getting a fist to the ball and then wear the forward like a glove.

I think Thursty has done a pretty good job in this role in the past few seasons. We will see how much we miss him when he is gone.

 

[Tigerland]

Definitiley a wake up call for Will.
He may only get a few opportunities next year. he'd want to make the most of them.
GWS may be an option for him.

As for the value of our players. We've been a bottom 2 side for 3 years.
The higher up the ladder, the better your list looks and most likely is.

 

[_RT_]

OKAY HAVE TO ADMIT I GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER POSTER ON ANOTHER SITE.
While i thought similar it was not till i read this that i decided to start a thread.
this guy said it better than i ever could. its from a poster called tooheys of old over at pre.

it must be a terrible wake up call for wil. (and the club for that matter)that he had such little trade value in a market where players had more trade value than usual. what with gc 17 knocking on the door.

we over rate the value of our players as supporters. Unfortuntely the other clubs professionals do not.
this puts the club in a very awkward position during trade week as we are trying to upgrade the list but have very little currency to play with

i have to ask what does this say about our kpds as it could be mcguane or rance or moore just as easily as it was thursfield he was talking about.

here we are with most probably rating thursty in front others we havent tried to shop around.

its funny in a way this failure to trade him has been overlooked in the grigg collins debate.

Outside a handful of genuine stars, that statement could have been applied to every player on our list and in a way it was highlighted when news of the Collins trade started to surface. The way posters reacted it was like we had traded away a multiple B&F winner.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Thursty will likely get traded i reckon. He does one thing really well, and not much else. If teams need guy to defend against all bar the monster full forwards he's worth good coin. I suspect that there are only a few teams that really need someone mature to fill that slot at the moment.

Freo is the obvious one if Tarrent really is gone. If he goes they want someone to fill FB for4-5 years. Thursfield does that. But he is truly a role player - one role. We rate him highly because he does that one role well. Many other clubs have guys that do that role, and can attack and deal with the big KPFs.

It's interesting to see what we get, if anything.

 

[Disco_Stu]

As a full back your have one main role: Stop the opposition FF.

Yeah, just look at Scarlett & Lake - two stoppers who provide no value to counter-attack. Oh, hang on...

I think Thursty has done a pretty good job in this role in the past few seasons. We will see how much we miss him when he is gone.

Fact is Thursty is dining out on a handful of good games, stopping Reiwoldt here and there, but is just a list clogger. In today's footy, we need run and attack, as well as defense.

 

[nut]

Agreed that it is of some concern. I get the feeling that we always let our players go cheap but over-pay when we trade players in. Wouldn't be surprised to see Thursty traded for a third rounder tomorrow to someone like Sydney... Wait till 2pm tomorrow and then we can really understand how we fared and our list going forward...

The reason why is that we are on the bottom of the ladder. When we actually start winning and move up the ladder the currency of our players will also increase, and more people will take notice of them.

We have been over paying because we have had nothing to trade and clubs can bend us over for picks.

 

[lynchy4610]

Same deal happened last year with Shane Tuck, put on the table and no one wanted him, and look at how he turned around his career, had gone from being shopped around and if was not contracted would have been delisted, and now is a walk up start in the 22 again.

There is no reason why the same can't happen for Will, it might just be a wake up call that makes him work harder, and play a blinder of a season (remains to be seen).

I am a big Will fan and I do hope that he turns around his career and can cement his place as our number 1 key defender!

 

[Bazzar]

Not every supporter rates Thursty. Its gunna be a long year in the Burgers now that a trade appears unable to be completed.

But i would think a last minute swap for a last round pick will still happen. Hope so for both the club and Will.

 

[Mr Magic]

Not every supporter rates Thursty. Its gunna be a long year in the Burgers now that a trade appears unable to be completed.

But i would think a last minute swap for a last round pick will still happen. Hope so for both the club and Will.

No matter what people think he is worth more than a last rd pick,

can he build his body?????

 

[nut]

I'd say we are over paying him and that is why clubs aren't interested. Unless we cover sum of his pay to soften the deal I think he will stay.
It's no real loss if he stays or goes, he has some really good strengths and if he works on his deficiencies then he can easily cement his spot.
We have some serious competition for spots in the back half and I think next season will be about picking the right combination for the future, so be prepared for some strange selections to trial different combinations. Hopefully we find what works early.

I like to compare Thursfield to Zac Dawson. He was the laughing stock at the hawks, he now has played in 3 GF amd is an important part of the saints. probably worth a top 20 pick now, not bad for someone who was delisted then re-rookied.

 

[Bazzar]

No matter what people think he is worth more than a last rd pick,

Really? Do not see clubs beating down the doors to get a crack at him.

 

[nut]

Really? Do not see clubs beating down the doors to get a crack at him.

Clubs might not be interested in his contract.

If you look at the mckinley deal. Obviously he was on some good coin at the eagles. He wanted to leave so North said they would take over his contract completely, thus the deal looks too good to be true at Norths end. But the Eagles are probably just has happy to rid them selves of a player that has been over paid and overtaken by Lecras..... the result is a pick in the 80's.

A players worth is not simply just his ability..... the size of his contract has a huge bearing on his worth too.

 

[Bazzar]

A players worth is not simply just his ability..... the size of his contract has a huge bearing on his worth too.

I would doubt his contract would be so great it would be the number one deterrent.

 

[nut]

I would doubt his contract would be so great it would be the number one deterrent.

For clubs in the top eight it would be for sure. Also what type of contract... base or performance.

The average pay is now around 250k.... Thursfield would be on over 300k.... if it's not performance based then clubs would baulk. He could be front loaded or even back loaded also.

 

[ata33cro]

This morning on SEN they mentioned that Will is staying on, after meeting with Hardwick. Don't know if that is true.

 

[Dr Tigris]

He only plays one role, so only has value to a team that needs that role filled. Not many teams don't have a FB.
Seeing that Freo only wants a pick of 50 or less for Tarrant, I would guess Thursty is worth 50 at best. I might be surprised.

I compare Thursty to Houli in some ways. Each is a one trick pony, and so not worth much. But Houli plays in a position you rotate players through, so you can carry him. Thursfield is either no.1 or in the reserves. So even though his position, FB, is worth more than Houli (outside player), taking him is an acknowledgement you have no one to take FB. If someone needs him (Freo please) then he is worth a bit. If no club thinks he will be their FB then I can't see anyone taking him as a depth player - like we would take Houli because his position needs depth players.

Where that leaves us I have no idea. I hope that this is a last minute thing where teams see what their lists look like today and decide whether to fill the FB spot with the best of what's around. Good, (defensive and attacking, solid sized and athletic) FB's are worth a fortune. So many clubs will just fill the slot with whoever they can get for the draft picks they feel they can trade.

P.s. If I was Thursfield and got traded at the last second for half a pack of twisties it would be a real reality check - 'I am worth how little!!'

 

[folester41]

wish we would just get rid of him for a pick in the 40's

 

[tiggywigs]

Thursty is a better player than is being suggested here. I seem to recall a lot of diatribe directed at Tuck supporters when a deal couldn't be done last year. Funny how that panned out...

 

[Ando_4]

it must be a terrible wake up call for wil. (and the club for that matter)that he had such little trade value in a market where players had more trade value than usual. what with gc 17 knocking on the door.

we over rate the value of our players as supporters. Unfortuntely the other clubs professionals do not.
this puts the club in a very awkward position during trade week as we are trying to upgrade the list but have very little currency to play with: end quote.

i have to ask what does this say about our kpds as it could be mcguane or rance or moore just as easily as it was thursfield he was talking about.

So true.
The club has a history of being hamstrung at the trade table and much of this is due to the perception of being a lowly team as much as anything else.

Can you believe that Andrew Krakouer was worth pick 25 yet he was playing for Swan Districts?
Imagine if he was playing for the Tigers? He'd never in his wildest dreams have attracted a draft pick that high.
Perception from the opposition does not help our cause during trade week one iota.
In saying that, the fact that the club has had at least some currency in Collins & Tambling is a positive in itself. Not too long ago we didn't have anyone we could trade. Strangely enough that we could trade these fringe players is a sign we are on the up despite being unable to move Thursfield on for anything.