Tidbits

[zeeCFC]

Oxymoron

quit preaching

 

[CarltonFan]

Exactly the role I've been hoping to see Army play in, and I've said it a fair few times on here.

I love Army running it out of the backline but I think he'd be even better for us as a tagger.

He has all the tools necessary. I have no doubt he can make it as a tagger, and we'll be a better team if it happens.

Where do you see AJ playing if Armfield were to replace him as a tagger?

btw I agree with trailing army in a midfield tagger role. First he would need to show us how he handles himself around stoppages and then general play in midfield ie if he reads the play well and knows where he can have an impact.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Where do you see AJ playing if Armfield were to replace him as a tagger?

btw I agree with trailing army in a midfield tagger role. First he would need to show us how he handles himself around stoppages and then general play in midfield ie if he reads the play well and knows where he can have an impact.

May work. Two negatives comes to mind. Game sense and disposal under pressure. Still needs to take another step in a role he already knows let alone pushing him into a tagger role. Could really set him back if it backfires.

Still, has some merit and worth a NAB game trial or two to see.

 

[Jeremias]

Where do you see AJ playing if Armfield were to replace him as a tagger?

btw I agree with trailing army in a midfield tagger role. First he would need to show us how he handles himself around stoppages and then general play in midfield ie if he reads the play well and knows where he can have an impact.

There's room for 2 taggers in the 1 side, I think.

Or AJ could move into the back pocket, or become a midfielder in his own right.

Army could be used as Carrazzo's heir apparent as a midfield tagger on the likes of Davey, Stanton etc.

 

[echelon]

Armfield does exceptionally well in most 1 on 1 contests and his pace would definitely make him a good tagger, however you do give up alot by taking him out of the backline. We don't exactly have many pacey types that can run the ball out of the backline like he can.

Don't forget we also have AJ, Carazzo and Ellard who can tag also...

 

[blueblood25]

Oxymoron

I believe he actually pronounced it at "Poxy Moron". It is a term he used to describe one Grigg.

 

[ESKIE]

I love tidbits, more please BIB

 

[thylacine60]

- Zac Touhy strained medial ligaments in his knee. In rehab for 3 weeks.
- Armfield to play in the midfield this year, rather than defence.
- Were never keen on Taylor or Thorpe.

Er, ridiculous.

 

[Aphrodite]

Keep the tidbits coming BiB

 

[Blue and Silver]

Armfield as a tagger!!!

Will be brilliant.

 

[CarltonFan]

There's room for 2 taggers in the 1 side, I think.

2 taggers, nah it's too negative. I'd hate to see that. Yove got to remember that AJ is a pure shut down player, he doesn't hurt his opponent the other way, we would be losing too much from the midfield. Also I think AJ is not a good option for defence, he could do the job on short people like hooper but again he won't provide drive from the back pocket. On last years form I wouldn't have AJ in the 22 with a full squad to choose from and with Armfield as chief tagger.

 

[DirkDiggler]

2 taggers, nah it's too negative. I'd hate to see that. Yove got to remember that AJ is a pure shut down player, he doesn't hurt his opponent the other way, we would be losing too much from the midfield. Also I think AJ is not a good option for defence, he could do the job on short people like hooper but again he won't provide drive from the back pocket. On last years form I wouldn't have AJ in the 22 with a full squad to choose from and with Armfield as chief tagger.

Agree AJ has done well in his brief career but doesnt do enough damage with the ball in his hands to justify senior selection. Reminds me of Franchina who was an effective tagger but added nothing else to his game. Army is worth a shot in AJs place as a tagger.

 

[GordonBlue]

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Agree AJ has done well in his brief career but doesnt do enough damage with the ball in his hands to justify senior selection. Reminds me of Franchina who was an effective tagger but added nothing else to his game. Army is worth a shot in AJs place as a tagger.

Go back through the BnF count and see why Joseph is best 22... he does the job he's supposed to do most weeks...

 

[Red Bull]

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Agree AJ has done well in his brief career but doesnt do enough damage with the ball in his hands to justify senior selection. Reminds me of Franchina who was an effective tagger but added nothing else to his game. Army is worth a shot in AJs place as a tagger.

With the strength and depth of our list now there just has to be players missing out .
Its healthy for the club , a great position to be in .
Agree AJ doesnt hurt the opposition with the ball and is exposed in the air down back .
Carrazzo's poor disposal causes him to turn in circles to buy time , thus killing forward momentum .
These are just 2 players , the pressure is now on everyone !
For us to take the next step into the top 4 there will be casualties !
It has to be that way , they all cant play !

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Bad news about Touhy, was hoping to see him in the NAB cup

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Bad news about Touhy, was hoping to see him in the NAB cup

Touhy's got the strongest (weakest?) knees going around.

Did his knee in preseason last year as well!!

Yet he managed to play the majority of the season in the reserves..

 

[BlueTongue]

Judd probably won't give up the captaincy for another 3 or 4 years, I'd think by then Kreuzer, Gibbs and Henderson would probably be the leading candidates.

The more I think about Murph being the next Captain, the more I'm convinced that this will be so. I mean CFC seem to be grooming him for the job (Murph's diaries, interviews and all of the promo photo's he does for jumpers etc).

I wouldn't be surprised if Juddy resigns the Captaincy after his current contract is finished along with a lot of his media responsibilities and becomes more focused on Footy.

 

[cookie monster]

There's room for 2 taggers in the 1 side, I think.

Or AJ could move into the back pocket, or become a midfielder in his own right.

Army could be used as Carrazzo's heir apparent as a midfield tagger on the likes of Davey, Stanton etc.

Have to disagree with what is said here pal. The way footy is played now you can't sacrifice two players (an arguement can be made for even sacrificing one) to defend the opposition's best.

As Collingwood have shown it is far more potent to allow your own players to attack of their own will, without having to worry about completely nullifying their opponent.

Defence needs to come from the whole team. I'd love to see Carlton employing a swarm, just as Collingwood do.

As for AJ, I wasn't a fan of his year in 2011. I for one, don't see him as part of our best 22. If it's a toss up between him and Armfield, Army has so much more upside it isn't funny. AJ isn't very potent with the ball in his hands whilst Army runs and creates whilst still being very good without the pill. No brainer

 

[cookie monster]

With the strength and depth of our list now there just has to be players missing out .
Its healthy for the club , a great position to be in .
Agree AJ doesnt hurt the opposition with the ball and is exposed in the air down back .
Carrazzo's poor disposal causes him to turn in circles to buy time , thus killing forward momentum .
These are just 2 players , the pressure is now on everyone !
For us to take the next step into the top 4 there will be casualties !
It has to be that way , they all cant play !

I like this post, speaks a lot of sense.

I've said it for a long time, Carlton will not be a premiership force until Carazzo is no longer a walk up start in the 22. I know there is certain sentiment towards him here on this board, but he is way too slow, makes poor decisions, and isn't exactly damaging offensively. To be honest though, his defensive game is above average, and could perhaps be played in a back pocket.

I would just rather see better, more creative and reliable players in our midfield ahead of Carrots.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Would be great to see Den in the midfield.
Tough and fast. IMO could be an excellent midfielder if he can add a little polish to a few of the basics.

 

[blue healer]

2 taggers, nah it's too negative. I'd hate to see that. Yove got to remember that AJ is a pure shut down player, he doesn't hurt his opponent the other way, we would be losing too much from the midfield. Also I think AJ is not a good option for defence, he could do the job on short people like hooper but again he won't provide drive from the back pocket. On last years form I wouldn't have AJ in the 22 with a full squad to choose from and with Armfield as chief tagger.

I don't see how anyone can say this.

This kid has finished top 10 in the B&F in his first 2 years of football, both of which were top 8 finishes. I can't see how this warrants leaving him out of our best 22.

Someone else compared him to Franchina and I can't see that either as he has at least 2 yards pace on the Franchina I saw.

I think he has the makings of a mid if he can further develop his skills, he has the pace, mongrel and desire but is still a bit rough around the edges.
He averaged more possessions than Jammo last year at a similar efficiency rate and we all know how good (sic) Jammo is.

Carrots is another that many desperately want out of the side, why?

Last year he was only marginally below Judd for avge possessions with a better disposal efficiency. I'm not comparing him to Judd (precious few can be) but his disposal has improved heaps in the last few years and he still has few peers in getting his hands on it.

You may be right, these 2 may not be in our best 22 by years end and I'll be stoked if we find better players because that will mean we have improved.

But, at the moment, I think they have both earned the right to play the first game if fit.

 

[Jeremias]

2 taggers, nah it's too negative. I'd hate to see that. Yove got to remember that AJ is a pure shut down player, he doesn't hurt his opponent the other way, we would be losing too much from the midfield. Also I think AJ is not a good option for defence, he could do the job on short people like hooper but again he won't provide drive from the back pocket. On last years form I wouldn't have AJ in the 22 with a full squad to choose from and with Armfield as chief tagger.

Ratts and the MC disagree with you, which is good enough for me.

Sometimes it pays to look further than the stat sheet.

You are right, AJ doesn't get much of the ball. But the fact of the matter is that he's assigned a role and far more often than not he fulfills that role, and does it well.

On last year's form, he's certainly in the 22. As for next year, it's getting harder and harder to pick our best team, so by default some may have him squeezed out. But I'm pretty confident that those that matter won't.

Have to disagree with what is said here pal. The way footy is played now you can't sacrifice two players (an arguement can be made for even sacrificing one) to defend the opposition's best.

As Collingwood have shown it is far more potent to allow your own players to attack of their own will, without having to worry about completely nullifying their opponent.

Defence needs to come from the whole team. I'd love to see Carlton employing a swarm, just as Collingwood do.

As for AJ, I wasn't a fan of his year in 2011. I for one, don't see him as part of our best 22. If it's a toss up between him and Armfield, Army has so much more upside it isn't funny. AJ isn't very potent with the ball in his hands whilst Army runs and creates whilst still being very good without the pill. No brainer

Why does a tagger have to be exclusively negative? The fact is that they don't, and most aren't. There are a number of taggers that are great at stopping their man, and are equally good at finding and using the ball. In fact, most of the best taggers in the game do both the offensive and the defensive stuff.

You said it later in your post without even realising that it's something you argued against in the first place - taggers these days aren't usually exclusively negating their opponent.

Some say that AJ didn't have as good a year in 2010 as he did in 2009 - but what people don't seem to take into account is that his role changed. Watch him closely, and you'll see that he started to become a more offensively minded player. That's not to say he wasn't a tagger, because that's precisely what he was, but he showed at times that the coach wanted him to back himself and become a weapon offensively. Sure he was beaten and beaten well in a few games, but he still had a very good year, in the context of what was wanted from him.

Taggers are a necessary part of the game. Yes, the whole team needs to be negative when needed, but there is absolutely still room for a tagger in the modern game. In fact, there's room for more than 1 in the same team. It's just that nowdays, taggers can't get away with exclusively being negators - they have to have an offensive weapon to their game as well. We know Army has that weapon. And AJ was developing it in 2010 so there's no reason why he can't continue to improve in 2011.

There's room for both Army and AJ in the 22 in 2012, as taggers, because that's the role given to them and they do that role well. For mine, Army is more entrenched in the 22 than AJ, but I'd be amazed if both weren't in Ratten's plans as 'best 22' players.

 

[Malifice]

Why does a tagger have to be exclusively negative? The fact is that they don't, and most aren't. There are a number of taggers that are great at stopping their man, and are equally good at finding and using the ball. In fact, most of the best taggers in the game do both the offensive and the defensive stuff.

Kirk and Ling immediately srping to mind as blokes that can do the Big shut down jobs, and still have an impact on the result personally.

 

[Blue since 72]

Why does a tagger have to be exclusively negative?

Apparently this was why Robert Shirley was delisted and his career effectively ended.

Even though Both Judd and Ablett jr rated him their toughest opponent it's pretty much all he did.

Just on taggers I actually like Carrots in the role; doesn't have the pace of the other two but reads the play so well and is always where the ball is which is obviously a good thing when your'e tagging an opposition ball winner. Still gets alot of the ball while playing this role too.

 

[Jeremias]

Kirk and Ling immediately srping to mind as blokes that can do the Big shut down jobs, and still have an impact on the result personally.

Exactly my point. Kane Cornes is another who has been very successful both offensively and defensively. Clint Jones as well. I'm sure there are others, too.