Tigers Will Chase Warnock

[CoggaRules]

One years development. Wouldnt think their game time would be a lot different.

And just because you're a perfect sized athlete for the role, which Warnock is compared to Patto, doesnt mean you're going to become a good footballer as well. I'm probably being a bit cynical but I cant help it.

not unless you are playing for the tigers man. You know the deal with us, all our recruits are developing into good footballers, i.e all of them will make it, with half of them on the verge of being stars...Miller has re-written the recruiting book at tigerland, and we are on the way to greatness and he has been duly rewarded for his "keen" eye.

 

[Rayzorwire]

This is what years of list mismanagement has brought us to. Simmonds almost finished and Pattison not to answer. Leaves 2 players and a rookie. Pathetic. Still I feel our best bet is in the national draft.

Wallace walked into a club with no quality senior ruckmen, no juniors, and had to get Knobel and Simmonds because Stafford's body had become so unreliable - hardly our fault.

It's also hardly the club's fault that Knobel had to retire early due to injury, or for that matter, that our senior pinch-hitting mobile ruckman in Hall also had to retire early.

Prior to that, we spent a first round pick on Ottens to try and fix this problem for the following decade, and it wasn't really our fault that he wanted to go elsewhere.

We could have done better over the years, but we haven't paid over the odds for crap like a few other clubs have, we've also had a bit of bad luck that is easy to criticise in hindsight, but IMO, far more important than getting a top-class ruckman, we've used a lot of picks to shore up the right smaller onball players to make an excellent future midfield.

In the long run, that will help us trade for the right 1st ruckman and everything will fall into place.

 

[MJ42]

you usually get this from supporters who havent had a competitive ruck combo for the best part of 10 years. By what you are suggesting, if the tigers had Ottens & Blake as the ruck combo this year, we wouldnt be a better side and most likely inside the 8 as we speak, correct?

West Coast, Essendon and Fremantle have the 3 best ruckmen in the comp bar Jolly. You only have to see there position on the ladder to realise there importance.

 

[rgauci]

One years development. Wouldnt think their game time would be a lot different.

And just because you're a perfect sized athlete for the role, which Warnock is compared to Patto, doesnt mean you're going to become a good footballer as well. I'm probably being a bit cynical but I cant help it.

Physically Warnock is 2-3 years behind Pattison despite being 1 year younger.

Thats why he went at pick 42. He looked like a matchstick!

http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=55828076&text=robert+warnock

When i said another year or 2. I meant before Robbie would be ready to lead the ruck. Not the difference between Patto and Warnock.

TO reword what i meant:

With more game time (For Warnock), and another year or two development (for Warnock), he could lead the ruck.

 

[PHX]

Physically Warnock is 2-3 years behind Pattison despite being 1 year younger.

Thats why he went at pick 42. He looked like a matchstick!

http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=55828076&text=robert+warnock

When i said another year or 2. I meant before Robbie would be ready to lead the ruck. Not the difference between Patto and Warnock.

TO reword what i meant:

With more game time (For Warnock), and another year or two development (for Warnock), he could lead the ruck.

LMFAO! Holy crap did his parents only feed him celery sticks!

That's madness.

Yes he could and will have the build to but I still havent seen a footballer in him, it probably doesnt help the fact due to living in the east, Freo are a rare sighting on FTA.

 

[beaver fever]

Wallace walked into a club with no quality senior ruckmen, no juniors, and had to get Knobel and Simmonds because Stafford's body had become so unreliable - hardly our fault.

It's also hardly the club's fault that Knobel had to retire early due to injury, or for that matter, that our senior pinch-hitting mobile ruckman in Hall also had to retire early.

Prior to that, we spent a first round pick on Ottens to try and fix this problem for the following decade, and it wasn't really our fault that he wanted to go elsewhere.

We could have done better over the years, but we haven't paid over the odds for crap like a few other clubs have, we've also had a bit of bad luck that is easy to criticise in hindsight, but IMO, far more important than getting a top-class ruckman, we've used a lot of picks to shore up the right smaller onball players to make an excellent future midfield.

In the long run, that will help us trade for the right 1st ruckman and everything will fall into place.

Knobel was only ever a stop gap measure, and as if Ray Hall was ever going to even be a 3rd ruck option.

Fact is we have neglected this area and are paying the price. We should have had 1-2 rucks on the rookie list every year. Since Ottens we have not drafted a genuine ruckman in the national draft. Putt doesn't count because he is more a forward than a ruck. We created this problem.

 

[thecotch]

Knobel was only ever a stop gap measure, and as if Ray Hall was ever going to even be a 3rd ruck option.

Fact is we have neglected this area and are paying the price. We should have had 1-2 rucks on the rookie list every year. Since Ottens we have not drafted a genuine ruckman in the national draft. Putt doesn't count because he is more a forward than a ruck. We created this problem.

What pisses me off the most is the club probably could have kept ottens for the right price. At the end of the day, money talks and we weren't prepared to pay him and now we're considering giving warnock $300k a year? Just doesn't gel.

 

[Wally Matera]

Miller didnt do what he needed to do because we probably are looking for another ruckman = no faith, no hope and we are going to pay over the odds for an unproven ruckman.

The one thing in his favour is that most of the negatives about him here have been about him not being able to get a gig in the Freo team. Kind of hard in my book to have two giants in Sandilands & Warnock in the same team, so IMO it aint an issue.

Something we agree on

Pretty hard to get a fair crack at it when you have the second best ruckman in the league to compete with. Also, is $330k really that much in this day and age? I think not... what he might $50k over priced, so what... the bloke is 206cm, has 3 years of development under him that we havent had to cover and would step straight in above Patto. Putt and Gus are NO WHERE at the moment. Shit, we gave Simmo a 5 year deal worth over a mil.

My only concern is what we'd have to give in draft picks. I'm not paying pick 14 like the pies did for Cam Wood. Ridiculous. As Rayzor indicated... keep bolstering youg guns in the midfield and offload one maybe next year to get the ruckman you need.

simpleton alert, simpleton alert....yeah and shit for brains? I fukcing give up with muppets like you fool. WC have 13 premiership players and the number 1 ruckman in the league and they kicked 5 goals against the bottom side you ****ing idiot....FFS, you really need to get with the program man, and become a bone surgeon, because you definetely have the head for it. The WC are exactly where they want to be at this time of this year meat head...or are you still living in the land of nod?

Come on Cogga, l'm with you on this one, but was that really necessary?

 

[CoggaRules]

Something we agree on

Pretty hard to get a fair crack at it when you have the second best ruckman in the league to compete with. Also, is $330k really that much in this day and age? I think not... what he might $50k over priced, so what... the bloke is 206cm, has 3 years of development under him that we havent had to cover and would step straight in above Patto. Putt and Gus are NO WHERE at the moment. Shit, we gave Simmo a 5 year deal worth over a mil.

My only concern is what we'd have to give in draft picks. I'm not paying pick 14 like the pies did for Cam Wood. Ridiculous. As Rayzor indicated... keep bolstering youg guns in the midfield and offload one maybe next year to get the ruckman you need.




Come on Cogga, l'm with you on this one, but was that really necessary?

shit we have a pschyzo in the forum.....man that MJ fool was blowing Pettifers trumpet forever then was MIA until the thread about me was put up...then he suggests that the WC have the best ruck and look where they are.......they arent tanking, they are really trying to move up the ladder...so i went to town on the ****ing idiot...thats all..he only wanted to say something and ended up spewing shit that is embarassing to human intelligence.
Teams tank its how it igoes now, they dont call it that,. but they call it, looking at youngsters, getting experienced players right off the field, trying out players in new positions...do you understand you ****ing idiot MJ?

 

[Wally Matera]

shit we have a pschyzo in the forum.....man that MJ fool was blowing Pettifers trumpet forever then was MIA until the thread about me was put up...then he suggests that the WC have the best ruck and look where they are.......they arent tanking, they are really trying to move up the ladder...so i went to town on the ****ing idiot...thats all..he only wanted to say something and ended up spewing shit that is embarassing to human intelligence.
Teams tank its how it igoes now, they dont call it that,. but they call it, looking at youngsters, getting experienced players right off the field, trying out players in new positions...do you understand you ****ing idiot MJ?

I know, l know... but we cant all assume the same level of knowledge. We are Richmond Supporters.

FWIW... it disgusts me what WCE are getting away with. The AFL have turned the comp into a sham. They had 13 premiership players on the weekend, they'll sell Kerr off this year for 2 possible first round draft picks, finish last next year and be rewarded with a first-class priority pick and be probably the most dominant team ever for the next 10 years.

Make no mistake, our possible "premiership window" may not run into the dominance of Geelong, but we will with WCE. The AFL's ****ed.

 

[PHX]

FWIW... it disgusts me what WCE are getting away with. The AFL have turned the comp into a sham. They had 13 premiership players on the weekend, they'll sell Kerr off this year for 2 possible first round draft picks, finish last next year and be rewarded with a first-class priority pick and be probably the most dominant team ever for the next 10 years.

Take advantage of the obvious of their plan then Wally for your own gain. You'll still be spewin' at WCE but they will be helping your bank account.

Got 1.90 on Melbourne last weekend head-to-head.

Was the most obvious winner I got in weeks. Thanks West Tank Eagles.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Prefer to go cheap..... don't mind the $300K (well, I don't reckon it's a dealbreaker), but I'm more concerned about the cost in terms of picks.

The Dees will surely offer their pick 17 or 18.... if we are to beat that then I'd be uncomfortable about overpaying.

 

[Embers]

The source for this article comes from a bloke who believes that Will Schofield is a linchpin in the Tigers backline. Just ignore it and it will go away

 

[Crumden]

Prefer to go cheap..... don't mind the $300K (well, I don't reckon it's a dealbreaker), but I'm more concerned about the cost in terms of picks.

The Dees will surely offer their pick 17 or 18.... if we are to beat that then I'd be uncomfortable about overpaying.

I'm thinking the same UTG. Every time I've seen Warnock he has looked impressive and I don't care about the $300 k. But i'm a bit worried about what we'll pay for him in draft picks, especially when you consider Collingwood paid pick 14 for a less accomplished ruckman in Wood. If its our second round pick I wouldn't be to fussed, but freo might be chasing more than that unless we can get him in a firesale.

 

[sante]

This years John Meesen.

What a gun he's been for the Dees.

Yeah, why the heck are Melbourne chasing Warnock?

 

[_RT_]

Wonder if Freo would take our second pick and JON for Warnock?

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Wonder if Freo would take our second pick and JON for Warnock?

2nd pick alone is a lot to pay for someone like him, I hope not.

 

[_RT_]

2nd pick alone is a lot to pay for someone like him, I hope not.

Just throwing it out there, I wouldn't mind if we had to give up that to get him though. As it is if he wants to go to the Dees it wont matter because they can just take him with the first pick in the PSD for free.

 

[tony_montana]

Lol yeah ok comparing him with John Meesen was a bit rough.

But I wouldnt mind knowing when he actually looked impressive because I missed all that.

Are we talking about the same bloke who could get a game while Freo were shithouse and played for weeks in the WAFL?

Hell give this a rattle and tell me if we should expect to get better if we were to trade Patto!
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=9&pid1=1648&tid2=15&pid2=1499

At least you agree the price is ridiculous.

probably bc you havent seen him play and ur merely going by stats? Happens quite a bit on these boards...

Hes an impressive looking player, you can see he belongs and is quality in the making. Patto is all heart and will be a very good backup ruckman, but talent wise there is not comparison

 

[CoggaRules]

first off, is the money being talked about actually confirmed? or is it just pie in the ****ing sky stuff that is usually aligned to scaring off other potential customers, in an effort to go to the club he actually wants to go to?

Secondly, if there was a young ruckman in the upcoming draft and he was available when our first round pick came up, would there be any tigerheads here suggesting no, dont take him, no way we dont need a ruckman etc etc?

me dont think so...so i am with RT on this one, it seems pretty obvious we are in shitsville when it comes to the ruck and first round pick for a kid that is 21 and a giant is sold in my book. Get him and work out the cash later..

 

[MJ42]

shit we have a pschyzo in the forum.....man that MJ fool was blowing Pettifers trumpet forever then was MIA until the thread about me was put up...then he suggests that the WC have the best ruck and look where they are.......they arent tanking, they are really trying to move up the ladder...so i went to town on the ****ing idiot...thats all..he only wanted to say something and ended up spewing shit that is embarassing to human intelligence.
Teams tank its how it igoes now, they dont call it that,. but they call it, looking at youngsters, getting experienced players right off the field, trying out players in new positions...do you understand you ****ing idiot MJ?

I was actually talking about the topic of the thread hero. The fact is you can have great ruckmen in your side but without the onballers around them they are very non influencial. The reason why West Coast are NOW tanking is they have realised that without there best on ballers eg Cousins, Judd and Kerr they simply aren't up to it. Those 13 premiership players have shown there true colours this year and proved that they were carried by those 3 guys. Take Abblett Bartel and Corey from Geelong and suddenly the rest become a lot lesser players.
The Tigers need more A grade onballers before a ruckmen IMO. Did you read that ****head, it stands for "In my opinion". I will have my opinion when and where I want it. No p1ss weak big mouth is going to stop that. If only you could back these abusive posts up with actions. But I think we all know the answer to that.
Go on write your 20 line response little fella, get it off your chest. I'm waiting.

 

[PHX]

probably bc you havent seen him play and ur merely going by stats? Happens quite a bit on these boards...

Hes an impressive looking player, you can see he belongs and is quality in the making. Patto is all heart and will be a very good backup ruckman, but talent wise there is not comparison

No, I'm showing you that because I don't have personal collection of Warnock highlights to show you.

I have not been significantly impressed in any game I have seen him play. Just looked like another back up ruckman to me that may become a solid first ruck player but has a long way to go and I wouldn't be giving up a low second rounder for him from what he has shown.

It great to be an athlete that can run around the park like a gazelle but actually have to have the footballers brain as well but I just haven't seen a lot of evidence of that.

 

[CoggaRules]

I was actually talking about the topic of the thread hero. The fact is you can have great ruckmen in your side but without the onballers around them they are very non influencial. The reason why West Coast are NOW tanking is they have realised that without there best on ballers eg Cousins, Judd and Kerr they simply aren't up to it. Those 13 premiership players have shown there true colours this year and proved that they were carried by those 3 guys. Take Abblett Bartel and Corey from Geelong and suddenly the rest become a lot lesser players.
The Tigers need more A grade onballers before a ruckmen IMO. Did you read that ****head, it stands for "In my opinion". I will have my opinion when and where I want it. No p1ss weak big mouth is going to stop that. If only you could back these abusive posts up with actions. But I think we all know the answer to that.
Go on write your 20 line response little fella, get it off your chest. I'm waiting.

yeah they go from first to 15th on the ladder.. with the removal of 3 players. Yep, you are as sharp as a bowling ball arent you?

 

[tony_montana]

No, I'm showing you that because I don't have personal collection of Warnock highlights to show you.

I have not been significantly impressed in any game I have seen him play. Just looked like another back up ruckman to me that may become a solid first ruck player but has a long way to go and I wouldn't be giving up a low second rounder for him from what he has shown.

It great to be an athlete that can run around the park like a gazelle but actually have to have the footballers brain as well but I just haven't seen a lot of evidence of that.

thats fine, you dont rate him, all well and good, I think you are clearly way off and have little idea on this one. so i'll leave it at that.

 

[MJ42]

yeah they go from first to 15th on the ladder.. with the removal of 3 players. Yep, you are as sharp as a bowling ball arent you?

When they are your best 3 players who play in the guts where the game is won or lost. The simple answer is yes. Anyone who has any idea about the game knows that. West Coast realised that after losing their first 7 games so started playing kids. You are really living up to your reputation on here. Keep digging you little nancy.