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Guys I like everyone else love the mystery of the young footballers being the elite athletes in the country.

However when it comes to 3KM runners they aint in the hunt.

As illustrated by last years Vic schoolboy results

Boys 3000 Metre Run U 18​
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Name Year Team Finals Points
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1 COLOE, MATTHEW 88 Marcellin College 8:47.73
2 HAMER, CHRIS 88 Carey Grammar 8:49.52
3 KELLY, STEVE 88 Marcellin College 8:56.34​
 

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Re: tim houlihan 3km

Bulldogsnm1 said:
Guys I like everyone else love the mystery of the young footballers being the elite athletes in the country.

However when it comes to 3KM runners they aint in the hunt.

As illustrated by last years Vic schoolboy results


Boys 3000 Metre Run U 18​


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Name Year Team Finals Points
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1 COLOE, MATTHEW 88 Marcellin College 8:47.73
2 HAMER, CHRIS 88 Carey Grammar 8:49.52
3 KELLY, STEVE 88 Marcellin College 8:56.34​
Did those 3 guys listed there have a three day camp before they recorded those times?
 

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Did those 3 guys listed there have a three day camp before they recorded those times?
Micky, more than likely they probably ran 1500m heats the same day.

However if you don't like that stat, what about the Under 16 Girl from the ACT - Emily Brichacek who ran 9 min 08 secs for 3Km. (aust record) last year.

Basically she would beat them by 150 metres.
 

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Where do you all think Tim will be picked up?

I really like the look of him, and am warming daily to the idea of us taking him.

However, I think 35 is too high for him, and by 51 he could easily go. It would be ideal IMO to get a pick in between.
 

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Bulldogsnm1 said:
Guys I like everyone else love the mystery of the young footballers being the elite athletes in the country.

However when it comes to 3KM runners they aint in the hunt.

As illustrated by last years Vic schoolboy results

Boys 3000 Metre Run U 18​
=======================================================================
Name Year Team Finals Points
=======================================================================
1 COLOE, MATTHEW 88 Marcellin College 8:47.73
2 HAMER, CHRIS 88 Carey Grammar 8:49.52
3 KELLY, STEVE 88 Marcellin College 8:56.34​
Thats fine but like someone said they have a draft camp beforehand plus the AFL camp participants are not training for the event. Add to that they are probably 20 kg heavier on average. 9.37 is a good time, probably good enough to qualify for the Schoolboy 3000 metre U18 Finals.
 

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Thats fine but like someone said they have a draft camp beforehand plus the AFL camp participants are not training for the event. Add to that they are probably 20 kg heavier on average. 9.37 is a good time, probably good enough to qualify for the Schoolboy 3000 metre U18 Finals.
excellent points
 

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DanA said:
Thats fine but like someone said they have a draft camp beforehand plus the AFL camp participants are not training for the event. Add to that they are probably 20 kg heavier on average. 9.37 is a good time, probably good enough to qualify for the Schoolboy 3000 metre U18 Finals.
Well Houlihan was a national 3000 and 5000 metre runner.

And how many do you think are built to the standard to play AFL footballers like these guys.

I bet you they are all 175cm 55-65kg twigs, with the AFL guys having around 20kgs on them.

And an AFL game isnt over 3km's. As the elite have shown its 15+ km's, at alot higher intensity than a running race.
 

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Is he any relation to Ryan, Josh and Adam???

Cause if he is I wouldnt go near him with a thousand foot pole.
 

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mini_me316 said:
Is he any relation to Ryan, Josh and Adam???

Cause if he is I wouldnt go near him with a thousand foot pole.
No he isn't.

He looks like he will become a solid player, and I am constantly warming to the idea of taking him. But, I think pick 35 may be too early, and by pick 51 he will most probably be gone. Getting a pick in between would be ideal.

When does eveyone think he will get picked up?
 

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I'd say that 30-35 range. He is what modern football is all about. A guy with some pace, who can run all day and kick long. He is also an AFL/AIS guy so has been on the radar from under-16 days. Improved greatly over the course of the season and was amongst North Ballarat's best by the time finals came around.

The good test results, the elite junior status, the rapid improvement, the suitability for modern football ... all adds up.
 

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I'd say that 30-35 range. He is what modern football is all about. A guy with some pace, who can run all day and kick long. He is also an AFL/AIS guy so has been on the radar from under-16 days. Improved greatly over the course of the season and was amongst North Ballarat's best by the time finals came around.

The good test results, the elite junior status, the rapid improvement, the suitability for modern football ... all adds up.
So then you don't think pick 35 is too early for him?

Would love to get him, just fon't want to use a pick that is too early for him...
 

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So then you don't think pick 35 is too early for him?

Would love to get him, just fon't want to use a pick that is too early for him...
Always better to think of players in batches of similar quality as oppossed to a ladder where one guy is better than another.

Often there is little difference between 30 and 50. All comes down to what player suits what club, who they have taken with earlier picks, whether a player has caught a certain club's eye etc.

I'd say he is in that batch of guys who is outside the top-25 or so. Anywhere from 26 to 50 is possible.
 

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Bulldogsnm1 said:
Micky, more than likely they probably ran 1500m heats the same day.

However if you don't like that stat, what about the Under 16 Girl from the ACT - Emily Brichacek who ran 9 min 08 secs for 3Km. (aust record) last year.

Basically she would beat them by 150 metres.
Yeah - I'm with you.

"Pace" is a stange thing, because by track and field standards, these guys aren't that quick.

My brother was an underage national level 400m hurdler, but on weekends he would compete in different things like the 100m, and he was quick, but wouldn't have come close to medalling, or probably even making the final at state championship level.

Anyway, when he was 15/16, the Hawthorn guys used to run down at the same track as him, and he'd run against guys like Shane Crawford, Ben Dixon and Daniel Chick and comfortably beat them over any distance from 100m to 400m. They always got pretty pissed when they realised how young he was.

And before you go on about how he wasn't big enough to play footy, he was 178cm and 75kgs and still running those times.
 

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Bulldogsnm1 said:
Guys I like everyone else love the mystery of the young footballers being the elite athletes in the country.

However when it comes to 3KM runners they aint in the hunt.

As illustrated by last years Vic schoolboy results

Boys 3000 Metre Run U 18​
=======================================================================
Name Year Team Finals Points
=======================================================================
1 COLOE, MATTHEW 88 Marcellin College 8:47.73
2 HAMER, CHRIS 88 Carey Grammar 8:49.52
3 KELLY, STEVE 88 Marcellin College 8:56.34​
Because a lot of footy is played at a high intensity, elite footballers must be able to produce energy quickly for a sustained period of time. As such the elite footballers would genetically have a higher fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fibre ratio. This enables them to work at higher intensities for longer periods of time (produce energy anaerobically for longer). In contrast, the best long distance runners, have a higher slow twitch the fast twitch muscle fibre ratio allowing them to produce energy for longer without fatigue at lower intensities (use their aerobic energy system longer).

Combine these natural physiological factors with training effects. Long distance runners, would almost exclusively train aerobically. Which essentially result in improvements in oxygen uptake, transport and utilisation. Footballers do incorperate aerobic training in their training cycle, but they train so many other fitness components also, that their aerobic training adaptations cannot compare to the long distance runners.

You have to be very careful when using the term 'fitness' in that context. No doubt that the long distance runners have a superior aerobic capacity, however I'd be very confident that footballers are far superior to long distance runners in most, if not all, of the the remaining fitness components (muscular strength, endurance, power, anaerobic speed, etc).
 

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Yeah - I'm with you.

"Pace" is a stange thing, because by track and field standards, these guys aren't that quick.

My brother was an underage national level 400m hurdler, but on weekends he would compete in different things like the 100m, and he was quick, but wouldn't have come close to medalling, or probably even making the final at state championship level.

Anyway, when he was 15/16, the Hawthorn guys used to run down at the same track as him, and he'd run against guys like Shane Crawford, Ben Dixon and Daniel Chick and comfortably beat them over any distance from 100m to 400m. They always got pretty pissed when they realised how young he was.

And before you go on about how he wasn't big enough to play footy, he was 178cm and 75kgs and still running those times.
But he was a sprinter which better suits the body type for a footballer. However it does show the difference between an elite track athlete and the more jack of all trades footballer ( as a runner).
I ran 9.33 for 3k as a 15 year old but wasn't near being state champion or anything. I was a stick and could demolish any senior footballer at the time but they had to be reasonable at all distances as well as soldiering on through intense physical pressure.
These times are very good for kids that are generally over 70kg but we shouldn't compare them to the full time runners as footballers need to multi skill
 

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macca69 said:
Because a lot of footy is played at a high intensity, elite footballers must be able to produce energy quickly for a sustained period of time. As such the elite footballers would genetically have a higher fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fibre ratio. This enables them to work at higher intensities for longer periods of time (produce energy anaerobically for longer). In contrast, the best long distance runners, have a higher slow twitch the fast twitch muscle fibre ratio allowing them to produce energy for longer without fatigue at lower intensities (use their aerobic energy system longer).

Combine these natural physiological factors with training effects. Long distance runners, would almost exclusively train aerobically. Which essentially result in improvements in oxygen uptake, transport and utilisation. Footballers do incorperate aerobic training in their training cycle, but they train so many other fitness components also, that their aerobic training adaptations cannot compare to the long distance runners.

You have to be very careful when using the term 'fitness' in that context. No doubt that the long distance runners have a superior aerobic capacity, however I'd be very confident that footballers are far superior to long distance runners in most, if not all, of the the remaining fitness components (muscular strength, endurance, power, anaerobic speed, etc).

Good point if you look at the 10 recognised areas of fitness:

Cardiovascular Endurance, Stamina, Strength, Speed, Flexibility, Power Coordination, Agility, Balance and Accuracy.

Aussie rules players would be up their in most categories compared to other athletes.
 

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LVAK said:
But he was a sprinter which better suits the body type for a footballer. However it does show the difference between an elite track athlete and the more jack of all trades footballer ( as a runner).
I ran 9.33 for 3k as a 15 year old but wasn't near being state champion or anything. I was a stick and could demolish any senior footballer at the time but they had to be reasonable at all distances as well as soldiering on through intense physical pressure.
These times are very good for kids that are generally over 70kg but we shouldn't compare them to the full time runners as footballers need to multi skill
My point is that you won't likely find a footy player who is competitive in any particular track and field event.
 
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