Uncontracted Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly playing high quality football again this year. Rumour is he happy with either Fremantle and West Coast this year as opposed to last year when is was Geelong or West Coast.

Shown himself to be very professional after the disappointment of not being traded last year. Geelong have the bonus of getting his performances on a low salary.

Has his value changed much if he keeps this form up?
 

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If 2 first rounders is the asking price, I’m happy for him to go to Freo for that.

Good player, but for that asking price I would rather go for a better player in Coniglio
Depends what is meant by 2 first rounders as 2 picks in the 20s was not enough last year. I feel a single pick around 10ish will do the job.

I feel west coast do not have the picks so a player will have to be involved
 

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Depends what is meant by 2 first rounders as 2 picks in the 20s was not enough last year. I feel a single pick around 10ish will do the job.

I feel west coast do not have the picks so a player will have to be involved
Too early to ask for 2 first round pick , players form and injuries play a part during trade period . Hogan is a great example .
 

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He's worth a top 10 pick comfortably. And bundling up mid range picks for the draft pounts equivalent wont get it done. We'll find out how much WCE want him and whether the Kellys want to get back home or if they just really want to avoid Freo. Will be interesting.
 

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Its difficult tbh but the players you might part with for e.g. coles name seems to keep getting thrown up and hes a good player but plays a position we are stacked in.

We need a quality outside mid but i doubt youd give up your top guys someone like Petrucelle might have some interest but hes dean gore steak knives value really.

We need a kpf so brander or allen and a top 20 pick would go close but i doubt youd do that.
Honestly freo have more capacity to do the deal in picks whereas i doubt you can satisfy us without players.
I think if geel and wce deal for kelly it would need to be a 3 club trade.
 

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He's only worth West Coast's second rounds scraps. If they bundle enough of them together they are worth the same as a top 5 pick on the draft pick calculator. That's all that matters, right? :drunk:

But seriously, he's a jet. Any talk of him playing disinterested because he failed to get traded can be squashed already. Landed the 10 coaches votes in round 1 in a massive game against the Pies, and will likely pick up some more for his effort against the Dees. Easily in the discussion as an elite midfielder of the competition.
 

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Its difficult tbh but the players you might part with for e.g. coles name seems to keep getting thrown up and hes a good player but plays a position we are stacked in.

We need a quality outside mid but i doubt youd give up your top guys someone like Petrucelle might have some interest but hes dean gore steak knives value really.

We need a kpf so brander or allen and a top 20 pick would go close but i doubt youd do that.
Honestly freo have more capacity to do the deal in picks whereas i doubt you can satisfy us without players.
I think if geel and wce deal for kelly it would need to be a 3 club trade.
So again back to 2 first round draft picks essentially, i'd be disappointed if we gave that up for Kelly especially with the good signs both Allen and Brander have shown so far.
 

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So again back to 2 first round draft picks essentially, i'd be disappointed if we gave that up for Kelly especially with the good signs both Allen and Brander have shown so far.
If you look at say Shiel and Treloar, both got 2 1st round picks.

Would you rate Tim Kelly on the same level as those 2, especially if he keeps his current form up for the rest of the season?
 

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If you look at say Shiel and Treloar, both got 2 1st round picks.

Would you rate Tim Kelly on the same level as those 2, especially if he keeps his current form up for the rest of the season?
Kelly goes to the draft if a deal can't be made, so I don't think Geelong gets his full value. Shiel and Treloar worth more in my opinion, but not too much more.

Asking for Allen/Brander along with a top 20 pick is way, way too steep of a price. That's getting into Wingard levels of price. You don't usually pay that for a 3rd/4th mid (given he's behind Selwood and Danger at Geelong minimum, and would be behind Shuey and Gaff, as well as possibly Sheed and Yeo).

If the price got that high, I doubt Eagles would follow through. Straight swap for Brander if he shows something this year seems about fair imo. If he doesn't play, then a pick in the 20's or 30's would have to be included with Brander (as I think Allen would be untouchable)
 

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Kelly goes to the draft if a deal can't be made, so I don't think Geelong gets his full value. Shiel and Treloar worth more in my opinion, but not too much more.

Asking for Allen/Brander along with a top 20 pick is way, way too steep of a price. That's getting into Wingard levels of price. You don't usually pay that for a 3rd/4th mid (given he's behind Selwood and Danger at Geelong minimum, and would be behind Shuey and Gaff, as well as possibly Sheed and Yeo).

If the price got that high, I doubt Eagles would follow through. Straight swap for Brander if he shows something this year seems about fair imo. If he doesn't play, then a pick in the 20's or 30's would have to be included with Brander (as I think Allen would be untouchable)
Whether he'd take the risk of the Pre Season Draft is another matter, don't think he'd be National Draft eligible unless I'm wrong.

I'd have him ahead of Selwood as a midfielder at the moment. And I think asking for a Wingard type of price is fair enough, as Wingard had a fairly average 2018 and still got a good young defender in Burton and a 1st rounder.

Straight swap for Brander we wouldn't do for sure considering what we rejected last trade season I'd imagine.
 

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I really hope he re-signs with cats soon, doubt we’ll even consider trading Brander or Allen, both of whom grew up supporting the eagles. Heck I wouldn’t even mind if he went to Freo.
Its only family related .. if it was footy I think he would have signed by now. He has family complications and he feels it best for them back in WA im sure all at Geelong would understand that... of course it doesn't mean they let him go for zero either
 

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If you look at say Shiel and Treloar, both got 2 1st round picks.

Would you rate Tim Kelly on the same level as those 2, especially if he keeps his current form up for the rest of the season?
Not yet no, Shiel and Treloar had a lot more exposed form when they came up for trade rather than one season and 2 games which Kelly has.
 

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Whether he'd take the risk of the Pre Season Draft is another matter, don't think he'd be National Draft eligible unless I'm wrong.

I'd have him ahead of Selwood as a midfielder at the moment. And I think asking for a Wingard type of price is fair enough, as Wingard had a fairly average 2018 and still got a good young defender in Burton and a 1st rounder.

Straight swap for Brander we wouldn't do for sure considering what we rejected last trade season I'd imagine.
I think you will find he could nominate for the National..and put a price on his head to deter some from drafting him. Most bottom teams would not draft him using an early single figure pick imo
 
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If you look at say Shiel and Treloar, both got 2 1st round picks.

Would you rate Tim Kelly on the same level as those 2, especially if he keeps his current form up for the rest of the season?
Dylan Shiel: 25 years old, 133 games, AA 2017, ?-4-9-7-6-4-6 in the B&F over 7 seasons. Traded for pick 9 and future 1st round pick with future 2nd pick going back the other way. Under contract.

Adam Treloar: 22 years old, 79 games, 9-5-4-2 in the B&F over 4 seasons. Traded for pick 7, pick 65 and future 1st round pick with pick 28 going back the other way. Out of contract.

By the end of this season Kelly will be 25 and have played up to about 45 games. Came 2nd in the B&F last year, polled 13 Brownlow votes.

Treloar was worth more because he was only 22 and had 79 games under his belt and 3 top 5 B&F finishes. Is he worth more than Shiel? I would say no, especially considering Shiel was under contract and being shopped around a year ahead of FA. Shiel is a better user by foot, a better clearance winner and has a larger body of work. Both Shield and Treloar also showed they could perform in weak teams with no support having started out at GWS when they were easybeats. Devon Smith (who won Essendon's B&F) probably more comparable and he went with pick 25 and a future 2nd for pick 11 and a future 3rd.

The main thing that gets overlooked repeatedly is that you can't trade what you don't have, and you can't trade a player where they don't want to go. It's not the NBA where best deal wins. Dangerfield went for 9, 28 and Dean Gore. He would've gone for 5, 24 and Dean Gore if Geelong finished lower, or 2, 21 and Dean Gore if they finished lower still.
 

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Not yet no, Shiel and Treloar had a lot more exposed form when they came up for trade rather than one season and 2 games which Kelly has.
I dont think its an exact comparison either .. although I think there is plenty of form to judge him on.. all would pretty well know what they are getting now..the only doub would be how he would fit without Danger etc... but against Melb they ever moved the tag on to him and let Danger go. Kelly is getting close to being as important as any mid we have.
 

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I think you will find he could nominate for the National..and put a price on his head to deter some from drafting him. Most bottom teams woul not draft him using an early single figure pick imo
I don't think any club would take him in the ND if that were the case, including Freo. Can't see Freo burning a potential top 10 pick on a guy who would have told them during trade week he didn't want to be there. But I also don't think it will happen. Will re-sign with Geelong or be traded to a WA club.
 

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Dylan Shiel: 25 years old, 133 games, AA 2017, ?-4-9-7-6-4-6 in the B&F over 7 seasons. Traded for pick 9 and future 1st round pick with future 2nd pick going back the other way. Under contract.

Adam Treloar: 22 years old, 79 games, 9-5-4-2 in the B&F over 4 seasons. Traded for pick 7, pick 65 and future 1st round pick with pick 28 going back the other way. Out of contract.

By the end of this season Kelly will be 25 and have played up to about 45 games. Came 2nd in the B&F last year, polled 13 Brownlow votes.

Treloar was worth more because he was only 22 and had 79 games under his belt and 3 top 5 B&F finishes. Is he worth more than Shiel? I would say no, especially considering Shiel was under contract and being shopped around a year ahead of FA. Shiel is a better user by foot, a better clearance winner and has a larger body of work. Both Shield and Treloar also showed they could perform in weak teams with no support having started out at GWS when they were easybeats. Devon Smith (who won Essendon's B&F) probably more comparable and he went with pick 25 and a future 2nd for pick 11 and a future 3rd.

The main thing that gets overlooked repeatedly is that you can't trade what you don't have, and you can't trade a player where they don't want to go. It's not the NBA where best deal wins. Dangerfield went for 9, 28 and Dean Gore. He would've gone for 5, 24 and Dean Gore if Geelong finished lower, or 2, 21 and Dean Gore if they finished lower still.
Thats a pretty good assessment .. I don't think there is an exact comparison.. and what I dont know is where the line is that Geelong would say that just not enough and the whole thing melts down..as I do think in the end Geelong take less than he is worth to them. When the tags start to move from Danger to Kelly you know he is starting to be very important in their setup.. and with the way we have moved players out of our mid group .he could be our best mid.
 

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Its only family related .. if it was footy I think he would have signed by now. He has family complications and he feels it best for them back in WA im sure all at Geelong would understand that... of course it doesn't mean they let him go for zero either
Yeah it’s understandable but I think as soon as Brander and Oscar Allens names are thrown up, we’ll happily walk away. Geelong are better of trying to convince him to go to freo if they want a worthy deal.
 

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Here's what I reckon will transpire if he doesn't re-sign with Geelong.

Eagles finish top 4 - earn pick 14ish
Dockers finish bottom 5 - earn Pick 5ish

Cats ask for first rounder plus more.

WCE say have our 1st.

Dockers come in and try their luck.

Tim Kelly says I'm only going to the Eagles.

Eagles say have our 1st.

Cats ask for more.

Eagles say no because if Kelly goes to the draft we'll pick him up for that anyhow.

Dockers won't use a top 5 pick in the draft for him.

Cats begrudgingly take Eagles first offer, Kelly off to the Eagles.

Cats board goes into meltdown.
 
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