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People stating he won't go to Fremantle, because last year he refusrd might be dissapointed. He probably said he will go to either club, because WCE won't have the cap space to accommodate his salary demands.. If he leaves the Cats the money factor will be as important to location. Fremanlle are a big chance IMO.
 

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The dangerfield trade screwed Adelaide... If there was future picks that could be traded we would of had to give up 2 x r1 picks..
Ha no, we were just unusually incompetent in that trade. It was an absolutely shocking trade that should have had anyone on Adelaides side sacked. Og course on the Geelong side, they all deserved pay rises...
 

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Ha no, we were just unusually incompetent in that trade. It was an absolutely shocking trade that should have had anyone on Adelaides side sacked. Og course on the Geelong side, they all deserved pay rises...
The Crows got him to Geelong in good faith because he wanted to go home

Geelong only understand what good faith is, if they are the destination
 

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People stating he won't go to Fremantle, because last year he refusrd might be dissapointed. He probably said he will go to either club, because WCE won't have the cap space to accommodate his salary demands.. If he leaves the Cats the money factor will be as important to location. Fremanlle are a big chance IMO.
If Freo can pay him the big bucks they are definitely a factor
 
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Scrapping the salary cap would be a disastrous move for the AFL.

Scrapping the draft wouldn't have as big an effect on competitiveness across the league if a cap remained in place.

The NRL has no draft and out of contract players just sign where they want and they've had I think 11 different teams win the premiership this century.
 

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The Crows got him to Geelong in good faith because he wanted to go home

Geelong only understand what good faith is, if they are the destination
What rubbish. He would of gone to geelong anyway as geelong could just up the pay offer to a level the crows wouldnt match. Geelong agreed to trade behind scenes so they could get danger on lower salary. We valued salary over draft picks. Thats the only reason a trade happened.
 

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What rubbish. He would of gone to geelong anyway as geelong could just up the pay offer to a level the crows wouldnt match. Geelong agreed to trade behind scenes so they could get danger on lower salary. We valued salary over draft picks. Thats the only reason a trade happened.
You pretty much confirmed that the Crows just let it happen to get it done for Danger
 

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The Crows got him to Geelong in good faith because he wanted to go home

Geelong only understand what good faith is, if they are the destination

Nah, we should have stood our ground. We were losing our marquee player a couple of years after not having first round picks for two seasons, there is no way we should have cared less that Geelong had promised the other first rounder for Henderson.

I actually find this trade a bit interesting ( maybe because for once it isn't my team) whichever team gets him has to stump up if he is leaving. Matthews was being a drama queen suggesting a number 1 plus a top 10 pick but given he is a chance to win Charlie this year, it is going to be a difficult trade.
 
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Exactly. A player many thought may never play again got pick 10 and 26. Pick 10 alone is almost as good as the eagles first draft pick plus next years first combined as they will both be late teens.
Pick 10 is as good as our first this year and next is it? OK.

What contract was JOM offered that they thought 10 and 26 was a commensurate trade offer?
 

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Sympathy and goodwill goes both ways remember.

If Kelly again nominates the Eagles its do a deal or the Eagles trade down for a first lower than Freo's.

If Wells throws his toys out the cot and refuses to deal with Kelly's preferred club the goodwill is gone.

What gives the Cats any right to dictate who Kelly works for?

They will get back as min the pick they used to draft him two drafts ago PLUS a 1st rounder.
In over twenty years of trading wells has never once thrown his toys out of the cot.
 

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The Crows got him to Geelong in good faith because he wanted to go home

Geelong only understand what good faith is, if they are the destination
Geelong tried to get him there, but I heard the Eagles only offered up one second rounders, but insisted the trade include Duncan and Kelly.

Great faith Cats.
Terrible faith Eagles.
 

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Geelong tried to get him there, but I heard the Eagles only offered up one second rounders, but insisted the trade include Duncan and Kelly.

Great faith Cats.
Terrible faith Eagles.
20+22 was offered. A massive offer for a mature age single season rookie that wants to go home.
 

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Here's what I reckon will transpire if he doesn't re-sign with Geelong.

Eagles finish top 4 - earn pick 14ish
Dockers finish bottom 5 - earn Pick 5ish

Cats ask for first rounder plus more.

WCE say have our 1st.

Dockers come in and try their luck.

Tim Kelly says I'm only going to the Eagles.

Eagles say have our 1st.

Cats ask for more.

Eagles say no because if Kelly goes to the draft we'll pick him up for that anyhow.

Dockers won't use a top 5 pick in the draft for him.

Cats begrudgingly take Eagles first offer, Kelly off to the Eagles.

Cats board goes into meltdown.
This has never happened. Fantasy land. For one, if geelong thought the eagles would try to do that then they will just tell freo who can offer more then pick 17 in a trade.
 
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20+22 was offered. A massive offer for a mature age single season rookie that wants to go home.
No, it was extreme unders. A terrible offer for our runner up best and fairest on rookie wages. As Scott said, it would have been a very good deal for you. Geelong rightfully rejected your sub par offer. He was worth a top 10 pick last year.. you didn’t have one nor did you move hard enough to find one. Probably regretting not meeting the price as his value has increased. Now it’ll be 2 x R1s. Pay up or shut up.
 

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20+22 was offered. A massive offer for a mature age single season rookie that wants to go home.
You get teams offer pick 1s every year for 18 year olds with no experience playing against men let alone afl level? Kelly had 13 brownlow votes, barely missed a best and fairest and showed genuine x factor all in one season.
 
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The Crows got him to Geelong in good faith because he wanted to go home

Geelong only understand what good faith is, if they are the destination
I’ve said it a lot as well but the dangerfield trade is a unique one of a kind. We really have nothing else to compare it to as nobody else has matched a RFA offer. When another star player gets matched we will see how that goes down in comparison. Until that happens its apples and oranges.
 

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But geelong does own kelly we drafted him we developed him into the footballer he is. He wasn’t a browlow medalist level footy player while at the WAFL. That’s what geelong transformed him into, not kelly himself.

No different to any other kid aged 18 who is drafted then wants to walk out after two years of a contract.

Should I feel sorry that kelly was a lazy footballer as a junior and missed that boat? Absolutely not. And by his own admissions he was a lazy footballer and not up to it.

If kelly wanted to play AFL football under the conditions that he plays wherever he feels like playing with and that club who drafted him just has to accept whatever average picks they give, well.. too bad.

We will get maximum value and west coast will cough up, news is he is now. For open to Fremantle because of how you guys screwed him last year and wouldn’t pay fair value. Hopefully he chooses Fremantle and we can get a fair deal done.
No Geelong dosnt own Kelly.

Slavery does not exist in Australia.

Geelong has acontract for Kelly to play for them and no one else until the end of the 2019 season.

Geelong picked up a mature age player polished up a few rough edges and picked him. They didnt develop araw 18 year old over six years.

What is this max value you say Geelong will demand and yet?

Put it up so we can see how close you get.
 
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