Uncontracted Tim Kelly

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No Geelong dosnt own Kelly.

Slavery does not exist in Australia.

Geelong has acontract for Kelly to play for them and no one else until the end of the 2019 season.

Geelong picked up a mature age player polished up a few rough edges and picked him. They didnt develop araw 18 year old over six years.

What is this max value you say Geelong will demand and yet?

Put it up so we can see how close you get.
Polished a few edges? That’s an interesting take on getting a Good WAFL player who wasn’t even BF in the WAFL league to brownlow favorite and AFLCA leader at the halfway mark of the AFL season. I would call it alto more than a polished edge.

Yes once again we owe kelly nothing. He has only given us two years of football service. Hardly a return at all. He hasn’t given us 6-10 years of service, he has given two, after taking him with an early second rounder.

Geelong will get the maximum value and it will all be in geelongs best interest. All good faith and good will went out the door when he said I want to go home, but not to Fremantle.

Wells has said this much and acted accordingly and will be no different this year.

Worst case will be 2x first rounders. Depending what this years first is you have, an extra second rounder might need to be involved.

Something like

2x first round picks ( worst case)

2x first rounds + second rounder ( mid ground) about the mark for west coast

2x first round + brander who is steak knives instead of a second rounder. As he hasn’t done anything his first two seasons.

If you look at the treloar shiels and omeara trades it’s about accurate.. I’m actually being pretty generous when you look in comparison to the precedents we have over the years as kelly is better than those players
 

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AFL great Leigh Matthews suggested that, with Kelly “the best performed player in the game” right now - and being just 24 years old - he is worth two top ten draft picks.

“Tim Kelly, he’s incredible, really. I think the coaches’ award, the coaches rate their own players and what they’ve done for their team, and the opposition players for how hard they’ve been to play against. So I always rate the coaches’ award,” Matthews said on 3AW.

“On that basis, you could say after Round 12, Tim Kelly’s been the best performed player in the game.

“Let’s face it, you wouldn’t swap him for next year’s number one pick, would you? I wouldn’t. He’s (24), so you wouldn’t swap him for an 18 year old who might be as good as Tim Kelly - yeah, you might get an extra five years - but he might not be anywhere near as good.

“If it was an independent panel doing the (trade), it’d be about Pick 1 and Pick 10, I reckon.”
Price has been raised again. I agree with Leigh for what it's worth, pick 1 and about pick 10 or so will get this over the line.
 

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Geelong will get whatever is offered or it will be off to the PSD and Geelong get nothing
 

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“If it was an independent panel doing the (trade), it’d be about Pick 1 and Pick 10, I reckon.”

Do independent panels do trades? Is that a thing?
 

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2x first round + brander who is steak knives instead of a second rounder. As he hasn’t done anything his first two seasons.

If you look at the treloar shiels and omeara trades it’s about accurate.. I’m actually being pretty generous when you look in comparison to the precedents we have over the years as kelly is better than those players
Classic. Two first rounders and Brander.

I'm guessing those trades are your apples while Dangerfield, Tom Mitchell, Devon Smith etc. are your oranges? Funny how many precedents you can see in trades that maximise the trade value going to Geelong.

I hope Kelly plays well against Port. Then it will be two first rounders and Oscar Allen.

 

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Might need WC now to trade both Shuey and McGovern to get this deal done. Must be like watching the property market boom in Melbourne back in the 2000's whilst not putting a bid in and then wonder why you now have to spend $2M on something that may have cost you $500K if you'd had the balls to bid when you should have.
 

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What is forgotten in this thread about market value is WCE could get the number 1 player in the game, that is frightening considering their list. 2 first rounders is a bargain when you factor in the risks around draft picks.
 

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The Dangerfield trade should not be referred to as a precedent.

He was a RFA when he left Adelaide and we could have offered him a godfather contract, forcing them to only receive a first round compo pick.

Both clubs electing to trade instead was a win win in the sense that Adelaide got more than they would if we offered him a contract under RFA, and we were able to maintain our well documented pay structure where no player is paid $1m.
 

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Might need WC now to trade both Shuey and McGovern to get this deal done. Must be like watching the property market boom in Melbourne back in the 2000's whilst not putting a bid in and then wonder why you now have to spend $2M on something that may have cost you $500K if you'd had the balls to bid when you should have.
Shuey is 29, better make that Yeo. And throw in Gaff for good measure.

What is forgotten in this thread about market value is WCE could get the number 1 player in the game, that is frightening considering their list. 2 first rounders is a bargain when you factor in the risks around draft picks.
Number 1 player in the game. Only 10 games to go plus finals to pass Carey and Matthews.
 

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The Dangerfield trade should not be referred to as a precedent.

He was a RFA when he left Adelaide and we could have offered him a godfather contract, forcing them to only receive a first round compo pick.

Both clubs electing to trade instead was a win win in the sense that Adelaide got more than they would if we offered him a contract under RFA, and we were able to maintain our well documented pay structure where no player is paid $1m.
If you can toss out Dangerfield I can toss out any other trade as a precedent.

The reason Geelong didn't upset their much documented pay structure was because Adelaide would have matched. You could've paid $1m or whatever and so could they - so you'd just end up trading and paying top dollar.

Adelaide got a better deal than FA compo would have given them but really should've pushed for 2015 and 2016 firsts.
 

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Classic. Two first rounders and Brander.

I'm guessing those trades are your apples while Dangerfield, Tom Mitchell, Devon Smith etc. are your oranges? Funny how many precedents you can see in trades that maximise the trade value going to Geelong.

I hope Kelly plays well against Port. Then it will be two first rounders and Oscar Allen.

Going off the precedent we have for similar players brander + two first rounders is very reasonable. Brander is two AFL seasons in and shown nothing.

Similar standard players are the apples, yes. Devon Smith similar level to Tim kelly, treloar and shiel?

Just stop posting mate.
 

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Leigh Matthews thinks he's worth 1 and 10. I recommend you trade him for that and stop undervaluing your own player by sullying his name with potatoes like Brander.
 

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The Dangerfield trade should not be referred to as a precedent.

He was a RFA when he left Adelaide and we could have offered him a godfather contract, forcing them to only receive a first round compo pick.

Both clubs electing to trade instead was a win win in the sense that Adelaide got more than they would if we offered him a contract under RFA, and we were able to maintain our well documented pay structure where no player is paid $1m.
It just isn’t apples to oranges the dangerfield situation as we have no other RFA bid for a star to compare it to. Until then it’s one of a kind and apples to oranges trying to compare it with anything else.
 

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“If it was an independent panel doing the (trade), it’d be about Pick 1 and Pick 10, I reckon.”

Do independent panels do trades? Is that a thing?
Um Leigh why wouldnt the side just use pick 1 in the draft?

Has anyone been traded for pick 1 and another too 10 pick?

If we had those picks Id use them. Let some other idiot pay stupid overs.
 

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So Geelong have apparently offered a 1 + 1 deal. $800k for 2020, the same or more in 2021 if he chooses to stay. If he chooses to return to WA then we end up at exactly the same place as we did last year and probably will this year if he doesn't sign. He can only choose to leave if and when Geelong are satisfied, so it's not really a get out clause... also isn't he worth $1m+? $800k x 2 years probaby wouldn't even trigger band 1 compo for a free agent, $800k x 1 year certainly wouldn't.

Smart play from the Cats, but WC should just follow up with a lesser money deal over a longer term. According to Sam Maclure (so probably wrong) he doesn't want a long term deal in Geelong which has already been offered. So do you want $800k for a year in Geelong or $650k a year for 5 years in Perth?
 

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Um Leigh why wouldnt the side just use pick 1 in the draft?

Has anyone been traded for pick 1 and another too 10 pick?

If we had those picks Id use them. Let some other idiot pay stupid overs.
The last trade involving pick 1 was Trent Croad to Freo. This year might see pick 1 changing hands but it wasn't pick 1 at the time of trade.

If you traded pick 1 + more for any uncontracted player you would have rocks in your head. Especially when the PSD still exists and you can effectively keep pick 1 and then get them for nothing.
 

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So Geelong have apparently offered a 1 + 1 deal. $800k for 2020, the same or more in 2021 if he chooses to stay. If he chooses to return to WA then we end up at exactly the same place as we did last year and probably will this year if he doesn't sign. He can only choose to leave if and when Geelong are satisfied, so it's not really a get out clause... also isn't he worth $1m+? $800k x 2 years probaby wouldn't even trigger band 1 compo for a free agent, $800k x 1 year certainly wouldn't.

Smart play from the Cats, but WC should just follow up with a lesser money deal over a longer term. According to Sam Maclure (so probably wrong) he doesn't want a long term deal in Geelong which has already been offered. So do you want $800k for a year in Geelong or $650k a year for 5 years in Perth?
I have a feeling that he'll play one more year with us then move to you guys.
 

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The reason Geelong didn't upset their much documented pay structure was because Adelaide would have matched.
No, it’s because we didn’t want to lose/push out other player/s as a result of one player being paid huge $$.

We could have easily afforded to price Adelaide out in terms of a FA contract, given we signed SSelwood, Henderson and Smith in the same trade period for a conservative $1.2m combined.
 

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I'd be asking for Rioli. He's still pretty young and teams with Riolis that aren't Essendon win flags.
 

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I have a feeling that he'll play one more year with us then move to you guys.
Just like 2018 that is the club's prerogative and in this example the player's also. But he'll be 27 in the 2021 season so you can start letting go of the Treloar/Shiels/Beams precedents one by one.
 

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At least trading for a player who has won back to back Brownlows is better than trading for one who hasn't but apparently will.
 
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