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I think that may be a risk that a club (Geelong) would need to carry. As in any long term contract.
The same article about the one year deal said a long term deal was offered and is preferred by Geelong but wasn't accepted.

It's smart business to try and convince him to stay short term if he won't commit for 5 years but I'm not sure he'll sign if good deals are on offer over here. Judd played 3 X 2 year deals here, players don't have to sign long term.
 

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So Geelong have apparently offered a 1 + 1 deal. $800k for 2020, the same or more in 2021 if he chooses to stay. If he chooses to return to WA then we end up at exactly the same place as we did last year and probably will this year if he doesn't sign. He can only choose to leave if and when Geelong are satisfied, so it's not really a get out clause... also isn't he worth $1m+? $800k x 2 years probaby wouldn't even trigger band 1 compo for a free agent, $800k x 1 year certainly wouldn't.

Smart play from the Cats, but WC should just follow up with a lesser money deal over a longer term. According to Sam Maclure (so probably wrong) he doesn't want a long term deal in Geelong which has already been offered. So do you want $800k for a year in Geelong or $650k a year for 5 years in Perth?
He could go to Freo. They should be able to stump up the 800K, if not more, as well as a longer term deal.
 

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The geelong football clubs interest is to get what’s in its best interest and if that’s getting him home to Fremantle instead then we need to push that. We owe Tim kelly nothing except the offer of a good next contract which we will do.

I’m not sure why you believe we owe him anything. He has only served our club two years. I couldn’t care two cents where kelly feels like playing. And Stephen wells sure showed already that he doesn’t either
Kelly is uncontracted . Geelong have no say in where he goes apart from saying no to the trade .
Carlton have had much better picks than a lot of clubs but dont get a look in because the player doesnt want to go to carlton .

Why should the kelly deal be any different ?
 

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Going off the precedent we have for similar players brander + two first rounders is very reasonable. Brander is two AFL seasons in and shown nothing.

Similar standard players are the apples, yes. Devon Smith similar level to Tim kelly, treloar and shiel?

Just stop posting mate.
Brander has shown way more than kelly at 18 -19 years . Just a few more years and brander will be worth the number 1 pick and pick 10
 
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Kelly is uncontracted . Geelong have no say in where he goes apart from saying no to the trade .
Carlton have had much better picks than a lot of clubs but dont get a look in because the player doesnt want to go to carlton .

Why should the kelly deal be any different ?
Geelong has every say because their word is final. If he had learnt a thing or two and actually wants to get home and not embarrass himself like he did last offseason. Then he will open up to Fremantle as well.

The kelly deal is no different, and look at the treloar shiel trade deals for your no different precedent of how it should work since your talking about no different. I absolutely agree
 
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Brander has shown way more than kelly at 18 -19 years . Just a few more years and brander will be worth the number 1 pick and pick 10
He really hasn’t. Allen has shown more than brander. Brander has shown nothing in his first year and a half at AFL level.

He will be under the pump to do something next year
 

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He really hasn’t. Allen has shown more than brander. Brander has shown nothing in his first year and a half at AFL level.

He will be under the pump to do something next year
How is brander supposed to get a game at afl level when our team has one of the best group of talls in the league ?
Allen has passed brander due to having a more developed body for afl .
 
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How is brander supposed to get a game at afl level when our team has one of the best group of talls in the league ?
Allen has passed brander due to having a more developed body for afl .
When he has had a go he has looked terrible and lost at AFL. Allen is ahead of him because his a better player, nothing to do with body. Brander has shown very little
 

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When he has had a go he has looked terrible and lost at AFL. Allen is ahead of him because his a better player, nothing to do with body. Brander has shown very little
Considering Brander has only ever played 2 games at AFL level and in both cases as a team we sucked, then IMO not an ideal way to judge a young player like Brander of what he's really capable of. In both cases the match Committee dropped him the following week so he wasn't given another chance to redeem himself, which for a young player is not ideal as at such a young age can have an effect on their confidence. But then my mind boggles on many occasions with the match Committee with their selections sometimes!
 

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Young forwards take time to develop. Brander is so raw that it’ll take 3/4 seasons to grow into his body. Some forwards have it early some mature later.
As for Tim Kelly trade, Geelong should be try and get a future key position player as Hawkins is 31 this year. However, West coast would want to hold both Allen and Brander as well, Kennedy is also 31. Bit of a stand off here.
Freo on the other hand ain’t going to part with any KPP at all. Lack of those in purple. This deal for Kelly to come to WA almost needs a third party to make it happen.
 

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Geelong has every say because their word is final. If he had learnt a thing or two and actually wants to get home and not embarrass himself like he did last offseason. Then he will open up to Fremantle as well.

The kelly deal is no different, and look at the treloar shiel trade deals for your no different precedent of how it should work since your talking about no different. I absolutely agree
LOL.

The minute Geelong say no is when they get nothing for him. That would be the point where the club, who Kelly owes nothing, tries to force a player to go to an employer not of his choice because of a few spots in a first round draft pick.

You need to accept that buddy.
 
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Brander has shown way more than kelly at 18 -19 years . Just a few more years and brander will be worth the number 1 pick and pick 10
Wouldn’t it make sense for the Eagles to keep Brander at 300k then and not worry about Kelly at 800-900k?
 

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Young forwards take time to develop. Brander is so raw that it’ll take 3/4 seasons to grow into his body. Some forwards have it early some mature later.
As for Tim Kelly trade, Geelong should be try and get a future key position player as Hawkins is 31 this year. However, West coast would want to hold both Allen and Brander as well, Kennedy is also 31. Bit of a stand off here.
Freo on the other hand ain’t going to part with any KPP at all. Lack of those in purple. This deal for Kelly to come to WA almost needs a third party to make it happen.
Freo do have Darcy though who could hold some interest for Geelong
 

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Freo do have Darcy though who could hold some interest for Geelong
That couldcome into play if the reports of them chasing English this season is true. After reading about that I thought where does that leave Darcy.

But the fly in the ointment there is if Freo trade for English this trade period what will they trade for Kelly? Darcy plus what?

English would be a low first plus a player at least and he is in contract. Comes out of contract next year.

Eagles would also be very interested.
 

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Brander has shown way more than kelly at 18 -19 years . Just a few more years and brander will be worth the number 1 pick and pick 10
The thing is that you don’t know that, he could be an epic failure like many that are drafted. Hope and reality are two different things. We all hope he is.
 

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How is brander supposed to get a game at afl level when our team has one of the best group of talls in the league ?
Allen has passed brander due to having a more developed body for afl .
Ok, school yard pick and it’s yours. As of today who do you want Brander or Kelly?
 

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Wouldn’t it make sense for the Eagles to keep Brander at 300k then and not worry about Kelly at 800-900k?
No. We are in a premiership window and it’s bloody hard to get in these windows. Flags now the priority over anything else.
 

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Kelly is uncontracted . Geelong have no say in where he goes apart from saying no to the trade .
Carlton have had much better picks than a lot of clubs but dont get a look in because the player doesnt want to go to carlton .

Why should the kelly deal be any different ?
Geelong only has no say if he wants to go to the draft. If he doesn't then geelong has all the say.
 

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Ok, school yard pick and it’s yours. As of today who do you want Brander or Kelly?
The more you look at this the more likely is Brander comes into play.

Gov and JK both said Brander is the most talented tall they have seen drafted since they have been at the club. Huge call.

But he cant get into our side atm and when he does get an odd game its not playing in his preferred position.

The fact that Oscar fell into our lap after we just drafted Brander has caused a problem for us, especially how Oscar has developed.

We dont want to trade out a potential gun forward like the Blues did we Kennedy but how does he get a game? Will Brander be patient and wait for injuries and JK to retire?

Tough call. Maybe Brander will make it for us!
 

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Geelong only has no say if he wants to go to the draft. If he doesn't then geelong has all the say.
Kelly wouldnt want to go to the draft. He wants Geelong and his nominated club to get a reasonable deal done.

If Geelong say no and they attempt to force him to go to the non preferred club they may force him to go to the draft with terms stated.

Does Wells /Geelong have balls big enough to play chicken? History says no.
 
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Man this thread is circular.

He’s out of contract, if he wants to go to West Coast then the smart money is that he’ll get there and Geelong and West Coast work out a deal. What are Geelong going to do? Threaten to send him to the PSD? Shooting yourself in the foot isn’t going to make it any better. It’s just spiteful, that’s why clubs don’t do that.

I think it’s interesting that they’ve offered him a one year contract (and maybe a trigger extension?) it’s a smart play for Geelong. If you can’t get what you want, negotiate to get it to suit both parties as best as possible.

If they can get a flag while they’ve got him then that works for them, the odds are better if they have Kelly and Dangerfield, Selwood, Ablett together... before the latter three are over the hill.

It also means another year for West Coast to potentially drop down the ladder a bit and could bring West Coast’s 2021 future pick into play (since they can only be traded a year out).

I wonder if Geelong would consider promising to help him get home if he completes the next contract and wants out...
 
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