He really hasn’t. Allen has shown more than brander. Brander has shown nothing in his first year and a half at AFL level.
He will be under the pump to do something next year
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He really hasn’t. Allen has shown more than brander. Brander has shown nothing in his first year and a half at AFL level.
He will be under the pump to do something next year
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How is brander supposed to get a game at afl level when our team has one of the best group of talls in the league ?
Allen has passed brander due to having a more developed body for afl .
When he has had a go he has looked terrible and lost at AFL. Allen is ahead of him because his a better player, nothing to do with body. Brander has shown very little
Considering Brander has only ever played 2 games at AFL level and in both cases as a team we sucked, then IMO not an ideal way to judge a young player like Brander of what he's really capable of. In both cases the match Committee dropped him the following week so he wasn't given another chance to redeem himself, which for a young player is not ideal as at such a young age can have an effect on their confidence. But then my mind boggles on many occasions with the match Committee with their selections sometimes!
Young forwards take time to develop. Brander is so raw that it’ll take 3/4 seasons to grow into his body. Some forwards have it early some mature later.
As for Tim Kelly trade, Geelong should be try and get a future key position player as Hawkins is 31 this year. However, West coast would want to hold both Allen and Brander as well, Kennedy is also 31. Bit of a stand off here.
Freo on the other hand ain’t going to part with any KPP at all. Lack of those in purple. This deal for Kelly to come to WA almost needs a third party to make it happen.
As for Tim Kelly trade, Geelong should be try and get a future key position player as Hawkins is 31 this year. However, West coast would want to hold both Allen and Brander as well, Kennedy is also 31. Bit of a stand off here.
Freo on the other hand ain’t going to part with any KPP at all. Lack of those in purple. This deal for Kelly to come to WA almost needs a third party to make it happen.
LOL.
The minute Geelong say no is when they get nothing for him. That would be the point where the club, who Kelly owes nothing, tries to force a player to go to an employer not of his choice because of a few spots in a first round draft pick.
You need to accept that buddy.
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Wouldn’t it make sense for the Eagles to keep Brander at 300k then and not worry about Kelly at 800-900k?
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Freo do have Darcy though who could hold some interest for Geelong
That couldcome into play if the reports of them chasing English this season is true. After reading about that I thought where does that leave Darcy.
But the fly in the ointment there is if Freo trade for English this trade period what will they trade for Kelly? Darcy plus what?
English would be a low first plus a player at least and he is in contract. Comes out of contract next year.
Eagles would also be very interested.
The thing is that you don’t know that, he could be an epic failure like many that are drafted. Hope and reality are two different things. We all hope he is.
Ok, school yard pick and it’s yours. As of today who do you want Brander or Kelly?
No. We are in a premiership window and it’s bloody hard to get in these windows. Flags now the priority over anything else.
Geelong only has no say if he wants to go to the draft. If he doesn't then geelong has all the say.
Correct. I have no doubt as he is uncontracted though at the end of this year if he chooses a WA club both clubs will work hard to make it happen.
The more you look at this the more likely is Brander comes into play.
Gov and JK both said Brander is the most talented tall they have seen drafted since they have been at the club. Huge call.
But he cant get into our side atm and when he does get an odd game its not playing in his preferred position.
The fact that Oscar fell into our lap after we just drafted Brander has caused a problem for us, especially how Oscar has developed.
We dont want to trade out a potential gun forward like the Blues did we Kennedy but how does he get a game? Will Brander be patient and wait for injuries and JK to retire?
Tough call. Maybe Brander will make it for us!
Kelly wouldnt want to go to the draft. He wants Geelong and his nominated club to get a reasonable deal done.
If Geelong say no and they attempt to force him to go to the non preferred club they may force him to go to the draft with terms stated.
Does Wells /Geelong have balls big enough to play chicken? History says no.
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Man this thread is circular.
He’s out of contract, if he wants to go to West Coast then the smart money is that he’ll get there and Geelong and West Coast work out a deal. What are Geelong going to do? Threaten to send him to the PSD? Shooting yourself in the foot isn’t going to make it any better. It’s just spiteful, that’s why clubs don’t do that.
I think it’s interesting that they’ve offered him a one year contract (and maybe a trigger extension?) it’s a smart play for Geelong. If you can’t get what you want, negotiate to get it to suit both parties as best as possible.
If they can get a flag while they’ve got him then that works for them, the odds are better if they have Kelly and Dangerfield, Selwood, Ablett together... before the latter three are over the hill.
It also means another year for West Coast to potentially drop down the ladder a bit and could bring West Coast’s 2021 future pick into play (since they can only be traded a year out).
I wonder if Geelong would consider promising to help him get home if he completes the next contract and wants out...
He’s out of contract, if he wants to go to West Coast then the smart money is that he’ll get there and Geelong and West Coast work out a deal. What are Geelong going to do? Threaten to send him to the PSD? Shooting yourself in the foot isn’t going to make it any better. It’s just spiteful, that’s why clubs don’t do that.
I think it’s interesting that they’ve offered him a one year contract (and maybe a trigger extension?) it’s a smart play for Geelong. If you can’t get what you want, negotiate to get it to suit both parties as best as possible.
If they can get a flag while they’ve got him then that works for them, the odds are better if they have Kelly and Dangerfield, Selwood, Ablett together... before the latter three are over the hill.
It also means another year for West Coast to potentially drop down the ladder a bit and could bring West Coast’s 2021 future pick into play (since they can only be traded a year out).
I wonder if Geelong would consider promising to help him get home if he completes the next contract and wants out...
I am of this thinking also.
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So Brander + 2019 first and second for Kelly + Geelong 2019 third?
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I dont see why we have to give up a player especially someone like brander .
We should have enough picks to get it done
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Brander is a high draft pick , highly rated and contracted .
Doubt he will be part of the trade certainly not ' steak knives '
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I'm just going by what the other guys were talking about. I've seen Brander's AFL games but not his WAFL games and I don't rate him at all so would be surprised if he was a 'major' part of any Kelly trade.
Brander wont be steak knives in any deal.
But with English out of contract next year the Eagles may want to retain that 2020 1st.
So a player like Brander may be needed to land Kelly this year and English next year.
List planning and trading looks at now and next year with future pick trading being an option.
And againBrander may ask for a trade simply for more opportunity.
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Hopefully the dockers go hard for english this year ruling them out of the kelly trade
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LOL people talking Brander again.
Pick 13 in 2017, highly rated and contracted until the end of 2021.
Is he off limits? Of course not, but the 'steak knives' narrative is a laugh. He's worth more to WC (as in the people at WC doing any trade) than any of our draft picks. So if you want to frame a trade from Brady Rawlings' perspective think of it as Brander and steak knives.
Pick 13 in 2017, highly rated and contracted until the end of 2021.
Is he off limits? Of course not, but the 'steak knives' narrative is a laugh. He's worth more to WC (as in the people at WC doing any trade) than any of our draft picks. So if you want to frame a trade from Brady Rawlings' perspective think of it as Brander and steak knives.
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