List Mgmt. Tim O'Brien

[Ordovician]

Im pretty sure TOB was recruited to be a KPF ....
"The Hawks’ first selection at the 2012 NAB AFL Draft, O’Brien justified his high rating with a promising first year at VFL level. A developing key forward, the South Australian played 11 senior and eight development league matches for Box Hill, booting a combined 24 goals. Still needs to add size to his frame and looks likely to spend another season at state level."
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/player-profile/tim-obrien

What the press writes and what is the case are often quite different.

Even at Box Hill TOB does not play as KPF, he plays a s a flanker with the Grim one playing FF and the extra tall role being filled by the resting ruckman. This pushes pushes TOB out to the HFF were he plays a lead up/wide flanker/decoy role.

I don't know that 193 cm will be tall enough for a KPF in 5 to 10 years time. But regardless, at 83kg he does not have the bulk or strength to play a Roughead role if you look at the size and strength of Roughy and all of the contemporary number one forwards at the top sides today let alone in the future.

The TRUE KPFs of the AFL sides:

Roughead: 193cm 100 kg

Farkland: 196cm 103 kg
Tippett: 202cm 104kg

Petrie: 197cm 101kg

Schulz: 193cm 95kg (relative runt but as a soon to be 30 yo he is representative of yesteryears KPFs)

Hawkins: 197cm 105kg
Clarke: 200cm 103kg (put in for comparison purposes only as I don't expect him to be any good at the cats)

Pavlich: 192cm 99kg (at 33 yo he is even more last decade than Schulz)

Daniher: 202cm 94kg (soon to be 21 yo he will fill out)

Riewoldt Jack: 195cm 94kg (trimmed down to play higher up the ground and wasn't that a success!)

Kennedy: 196cm 99kg

Walker: 192cm 100kg (a bit short)

Cloke: 196cm 108kg

Lynch: 199cm 97kg (at 22yo he should fill out a bit more)

Carlton has no KPF

Boyd: 201cm 102kg

Brisbane has no KPF post J Brown

Cameron: 195cm 95kg (almost 22)
Patton: 198cm 103kg (almost 22 may never come back)

Dawes: 193kg 105kg

Riewoldt Nick: 193cm 96kg (at 32 yo again so last decade)


It is interesting to note the extreme heights and mass of the younger emerging KPFs like Daniher, Boyd, Patton, & Lynch.

So where does TOB at 193cm and a 83kg, sit in this list exactly?

He is not going to grow another 5cm.

As for putting on another 15kg, well Schoey did it and that did not work out that well. Also TOB has stated categorically that he is no going to bulk up so how is he ever going to add the extra weight? And even if he did in five years at 193cm he would just about be the shortest KPF going around in the AFL matched only by Tex Walker given that all of the other shorties would have retired by then.

 

[Agent Smith]

When he fully develops over the next 2-3 years, O'Brien will more then likely be our CHF with Gunston at FF. There's our two KPF covered for the next decade.

Sooo... number 19 at FF and number 23 at CHF? Meh, might work.

 

[seysearles]

2015 team photo...

 

[TyHawk]

2015 team photo...

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That photo proves he is 193 as Lithers is 192 and doesn't seem much between them there! But, I highly doubt Rougheads 193 though... These heights measurements are taken at first draft aged 17 and I think Roughy may be more 195! As for O'B, I don't think heights the problem at all as he has a awesome reach and sticky hands, he needs to improve the tank two fold plus the kid has the intensity of a Possum ! Fix those and we have a very good 'Roaming Forward' for years to come IMO.

 

[seysearles]

I highly doubt Rougheads 193 though... These heights measurements are taken at first draft aged 17 and I think Roughy may be more 195!

Dont forget that Clarko is 136cms tall.

 

[Agent Smith]

Dont forget that Clarko is 136cms tall.

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Lake still can't get over that, which is why he is still checking out Clarko's stature during the photo shoot...

 

[TyHawk]

Dont forget that Clarko is 136cms tall.

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Good one! Heights can be funny things. Clarko is listed at 177 cm which isn't as bad as it looks and I'm 179 yet look/feel lot taller than the little man. Same as Sammy who I've seen close up and although he looks 160 on the ground he is actually lot closer to 180! Listed heights may not be the full truth. Didn't Buddy change his profile from 196 to 198 as soon as he defected? Flog.

 

[TyHawk]

Lake still can't get over that, which is why he is still checking out Clarko's stature during the photo shoot...

I'm disappointed with that photo! Can't believe no one picked it up at the Hawks HQ's and ask for a re- shoot!

 

[Agent Smith]

I'm disappointed with that photo! Can't believe no one picked it up at the Hawks HQ's and ask for a re- shoot!

The Hawks website showed several photos of the team, one where everyone was facing forward. I can't understand why they didn't go for that one.

 

[Lethality]

TOB's best attribute imo is his defensive mindset, which is probably why he's gotten a few games at senior level. Clarkson seems to value team attributes above performance at times, so I am not worried about TOB's longevity at our club. I'm sure the goals will come too, he's too talented to not have an impact. Then there's the option of throwing him into defence, who knows?

 

[Bedi]

2015 team photo...

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Langers looks almost as tall as Spangher in that pic.

 

[Mitchell54]

Tatupu (Height 197cm Weight 98kg)

Hopefully Tatapu plays in the NAB cup, so excited to see him play.

Please let Shem play Nab cup...Please!
He is a beast That Kid.

 

[Yabbys Heroes]

Like what I've seen so far of TOB...When I rate our young players, I look for a few things..obviously a tad of courage some natural ability and suitability to the kind of position they may play...so far so good...While some say he didnt set the world on fire at Box Hill, give him a chance he would have had the ball directed to him quite regularly as CHF..FF..and there are some reasonable size defenders at VFL level..from what I saw he presented well time and time again, took some nice clunks and kicked pretty good. Crows rated him pretty highly but missed out.....With guys like Roughy..Gunners around him he will grow into a key tall..thats my prediction anywayz..

 

[threesixpio]

The Hawks website showed several photos of the team, one where everyone was facing forward. I can't understand why they didn't go for that one.

Duryea wasn't happy with the overall hair presentation with the one where they faced forward ( that sounds like I'm bagging him - I love Duryea btw).

 

[Yabbys Heroes]

Could someone please enlighten me...How can I update my info on my profile... I would like to add to 'Other teams: and I dont have the Location: tab...??

 

[Yabbys Heroes]

sorted

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

...But I'm curious as to where he is at?....

TO is easily the most intriguing player on our list. The kid can run, mark, kick, is real clean below his knees and hits the contest. When it comes to AFL standard he ticks all the boxes and it is pretty hard to think he wont make it. No one seemed to kick many goals in the VFL last year so perhaps the general style of game stifled individual tallys.

TO got gifted a few games last year, he did not force his way in on the back of a string of good performances. This year he will be directly head to head with Schoe and Jimmy Sicily. Purely on form, not potential, I would choose either of those two ahead of TO.

In terms of where is he at, he needs to produce more, given the state of our list, he would want to do it quickly.

 

[threesixpio]

TO is easily the most intriguing player on our list. The kid can run, mark, kick, is real clean below his knees and hits the contest. When it comes to AFL standard he ticks all the boxes and it is pretty hard to think he wont make it. No one seemed to kick many goals in the VFL last year so perhaps the general style of game stifled individual tallys.

TO got gifted a few games last year, he did not force his way in on the back of a string of good performances. This year he will be directly head to head with Schoe and Jimmy Sicily. Purely on form, not potential, I would choose either of those two ahead of TO.

In terms of where is he at, he needs to produce more, given the state of our list, he would want to do it quickly.

Sounds like a wrap. Surely TO gets more of a go at BH to kick more goals with LL going to the Crows and Grimmers being demoted. But yeah Schoey may fill this void too I spose

 

[Ordovician]

I doubt it as Pittonet will rest forward in Lowden's place.

I'd like to see more focus on TOB as a forward target at BH but I can't see how this can occur.

 

[seysearles]

I don't know that 193 cm will be tall enough for a KPF in 5 to 10 years time. But regardless, at 83kg he does not have the bulk or strength to play a Roughead role if you look at the size and strength of Roughy and all of the contemporary number one forwards at the top sides today let alone in the future.

I guess an option we have up our sleeve this season if (god forbid) Roughy goes down is to move Frawley (Height 193cm Weight 94kg) up to FF and bring in Schoenmakers to CHB. I think Frawley can pass as a KPF albeit without the mobility and flexibility Roughy has. I think this would be the preferable option to bringing in TOB at this stage.

 

[tige19]

What the press writes and what is the case are often quite different.

Even at Box Hill TOB does not play as KPF, he plays a s a flanker with the Grim one playing FF and the extra tall role being filled by the resting ruckman. This pushes pushes TOB out to the HFF were he plays a lead up/wide flanker/decoy role.

I don't know that 193 cm will be tall enough for a KPF in 5 to 10 years time. But regardless, at 83kg he does not have the bulk or strength to play a Roughead role if you look at the size and strength of Roughy and all of the contemporary number one forwards at the top sides today let alone in the future.

The TRUE KPFs of the AFL sides:

Roughead: 193cm 100 kg

Farkland: 196cm 103 kg
Tippett: 202cm 104kg

Petrie: 197cm 101kg

Schulz: 193cm 95kg (relative runt but as a soon to be 30 yo he is representative of yesteryears KPFs)

Hawkins: 197cm 105kg
Clarke: 200cm 103kg (put in for comparison purposes only as I don't expect him to be any good at the cats)

Pavlich: 192cm 99kg (at 33 yo he is even more last decade than Schulz)

Daniher: 202cm 94kg (soon to be 21 yo he will fill out)

Riewoldt Jack: 195cm 94kg (trimmed down to play higher up the ground and wasn't that a success!)

Kennedy: 196cm 99kg

Walker: 192cm 100kg (a bit short)

Cloke: 196cm 108kg

Lynch: 199cm 97kg (at 22yo he should fill out a bit more)

Carlton has no KPF

Boyd: 201cm 102kg

Brisbane has no KPF post J Brown

Cameron: 195cm 95kg (almost 22)
Patton: 198cm 103kg (almost 22 may never come back)

Dawes: 193kg 105kg

Riewoldt Nick: 193cm 96kg (at 32 yo again so last decade)


It is interesting to note the extreme heights and mass of the younger emerging KPFs like Daniher, Boyd, Patton, & Lynch.

So where does TOB at 193cm and a 83kg, sit in this list exactly?

He is not going to grow another 5cm.

As for putting on another 15kg, well Schoey did it and that did not work out that well. Also TOB has stated categorically that he is no going to bulk up so how is he ever going to add the extra weight? And even if he did in five years at 193cm he would just about be the shortest KPF going around in the AFL matched only by Tex Walker given that all of the other shorties would have retired by then.

Like your data with heights and weights but to be blunt height is the most overrated thing at AFL level.

It makes absolutely no difference if your kpf is 193cm or 202cm, if they have the nous and body to handle the position then they play it.

Apparantely ( from recruiting mates) 196cm 100kg is the prototype key forward. A guy strong enough to wrestle and take grabs and agile enough to be competitive on the ground. Have you actually seen the difference in real life between 193 and 196? Even 197-198, it's really negligible.

As a key forward who would you take Jack Gunston or Tippett? Roughead or Petrie? Riewoldt or Clarke? Pros and cons for both but the guys who are a bit smaller tend to be more agile and have bigger motors and if they happen to be able to grab the footy then you have your prototype.

 

[tige19]

James Sciliy is an intersting one, he looks like he's grown and he could potentially be a great foil for Gunston and Ruffy sooner than we think.

Anyone know Scilys height for 2015?

 

[Tasmaniac]

Timmy O'Brien has plenty of AFL level attributes.

But he needs more of the 2 x 'eff's..

Physique and Ferocity.

Hoping physique will come with time, and with more strength should come more confidence to contest repeatedly.

 

[Todman]

Dont forget that Clarko is 136cms tall.

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The second row, all are on chairs except the coach, Clarkson is on a Barstool.

 

[Randy Campbell]

If you are good enough you will be tall enough.