Recommitted Tim Taranto

[Prochard123]

Are you seriously saying Greenwood and Lyons have a similar outside ability as Taranto? I can't take that seriously, sorry. Lyons and Greenwood are exactly what you are trying to say Taranto is, fairly one dimensional inside stoppage players. It screams "I haven't watched much Taranto" to suggest that's all he is

Well I have, vs Taranto (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=25&type=A&pid1=3504&pid2=6333&fid1=S&fid2=S)

Lyons has:
- better disposal efficiency
- fewer clangers
- fewer turnovers
- higher metres gained
- more score involvements
- more goal assists
- more inside 50s

Lyons dominates Taranto inside and out in every category no?

 

[PMBangers]

No one is trying to devalue Taranto, I'm just stating my opinion on a player.

I have just yet to hear a single legitimate reason why Taranto is anything more than a B/B+ solid midfielder and why he deserves multiple 1st round picks.

I have provided my reasoning:
- As an inside mid, he wins less contested ball on his own, and somewhat relies on others to feed it to him
- As the receiver, he is one of the worst kicks in the AFL, and has horrendous turnover numbers
- Virtually no point of difference in the form of forward craft, breakaway pace or creative disposals

Others claim that just the fact that he won a best and fairest in a grand final side is enough to prove his eliteness. I have merely provided a counter example/argument to show that (1) physically advanced inside mids like Taranto develop early and peak early (2) B&F in grand final side doesn't mean you're an A grader, especially in Taranto's case who ONLY won because the genuine A graders were injured, he wasn't even selected in AA 40 squad let alone AA 22 in that year.

In response to your point of Crouch thriving at better clubs, I mean just how like how do you know this? If anything this is as baseless as it gets, because you're literally going off 0 evidence in a hypothetical scenario. In regards to Taranto, I'm actually not even sure he has improved that much year to year. He's still very much the same player as he was early on, ok on the inside, disgustingly wasteful with ball in hand. Sure his numbers have risen, but that's largely due to increased opportunity and greater minutes in the midfield. Do you actually think having Taranto improves your side?

Players can be contested ball winners and receivers concurrently, the best mids are in fact, it's arguing in bad faith to pretend that they can't and to expect them to have the same impact as players that specialise in either role. Taranto is a poor kick, can't deny that, it's why you like to see him handball more than he kicks where possible. In the context of 2019 it worked because our forwardline was more cohesive and frantic in keeping the ball inside 50, this year it's been a glaring issue because the gameplan doesn't allow for it anymore, same reason Cogs and Hopper had poorer seasons as well.

If we look at Treloars 2015 year where he netted two firsts, Taranto's 2019 and him are fairly on par, Taranto winning the stat averages for defensive and stoppage work, Treloar better using the footy and winning it uncontested. Like all players, neither are perfect, but both are flexible options putting up good numbers at a young age, worthy of two firsts because a club is going to back themselves to continue and improve the protectory.

IS claiming players develop better at better clubs really a baseless claim? It's almost as hypothetical as claiming a guy won't improve from where he is
The raw data suggests Taranto improved every year from year one to last season, so yes he has improved in that regard. Of course Taranto improves our side, he's our best two way running midfielder

 

[Orange Agent]

This is a wasteland.

 

[Benaly28]

Gun.Two firsts.


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[Gosaints12]

Gun.Two firsts.


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Would GWS fans take Caldwell and Taranto for two top 10 picks if the Saints could get them, (both fall this year)?


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[Benaly28]

Would GWS fans take Caldwell and Taranto for two top 10 picks if the Saints could get them, (both fall this year)?


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You’d need players as well that won’t cut it.


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[PMBangers]

Would GWS fans take Caldwell and Taranto for two top 10 picks if the Saints could get them, (both fall this year)?


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I think we're past the point of only getting draft picks for players, I'd really want a player that'd be in our best 22 and is a decent age in return

 

[Giant Pete]

Would GWS fans take Caldwell and Taranto for two top 10 picks if the Saints could get them, (both fall this year)?


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No. Tarantos nearly worth that himself.

 

[Gosaints12]

No. Tarantos nearly worth that himself.

I’d do Seb Ross and a top 5 pick, (assuming we could get it) for Caldwell and Taranto?


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[Giant Pete]

I’d do Seb Ross and a top 5 pick, (assuming we could get it) for Caldwell and Taranto?


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Wot?

 

[PrinceCharles]

I’d do Seb Ross and a top 5 pick, (assuming we could get it) for Caldwell and Taranto?


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lel

 

[Gosaints12]

That was a resounding no. I’ll keep thinking.


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