Time for a Freo makeover???

[GOALden Hawk]

At the moment Fremantle remind me a hell of a lot of the Brisbane Bears early 1990's. Dwindling support base in its home state, absolutely no support whatsoever in Melbourne, bad jumpers, abysmal theme song, no idea of how to win, no culture or respect from other clubs or the public.

Is it time Freo relaunched themselves??? Unlike Brisbane, who were given a 'helping hand' by the AFL, who kicked Fitzroy up there, Freo will have to do it alone. Any suggestions??

I reckon for starters a new theme song....I mean they all look embarrased that they have to sing it when they win.

Then a new jumper. Incorporating green was a great move, as no other club wears it. Incorporating purple & green & red & white and god knows what else wasn't.

It just seems to me Freo need to start again as such, and launch an image that will at least make them be respected by other clubs, rather than the laughing stock they currently are.

 

[QT]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk


I reckon for starters a new theme song....I mean they all look embarrased that they have to sing it when they win.

HAHAHAHA i remember a few weeks ago, adelaide vs freo, and the dockers song went on!
Laughing my head off, it sounded more like a pop song than a footy song!

 

[Damp Squarie]

Relaunch Richmond

You watch Freo have a crack at Richmond....

If Frawleys seen manure dumped in front of tiger headquarters he aint seen nothing yet.

Did you see Gekos stunt in the press?

Id have Daffy and Knights shovellin it up. They need the excercise

I reckon Freo will frighten >>>>>>sh!t out of Richmond this week before steadying to take it in a nailbiter.

Frawley will need jumpers that accomodate 4 arms after Sad dee, ... somewhere to put the next heart.

Ive posted before about the song before, Flick it....





And Er...Go Crows

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
At the moment Fremantle remind me a hell of a lot of the Brisbane Bears early 1990's. Dwindling support base in its home state, absolutely no support whatsoever in Melbourne, bad jumpers, abysmal theme song, no idea of how to win, no culture or respect from other clubs or the public.

Is it time Freo relaunched themselves??? Unlike Brisbane, who were given a 'helping hand' by the AFL, who kicked Fitzroy up there, Freo will have to do it alone. Any suggestions??

I reckon for starters a new theme song....I mean they all look embarrased that they have to sing it when they win.

Then a new jumper. Incorporating green was a great move, as no other club wears it. Incorporating purple & green & red & white and god knows what else wasn't.

It just seems to me Freo need to start again as such, and launch an image that will at least make them be respected by other clubs, rather than the laughing stock they currently are.

Some of your comments I agree with.
But not your comment on football culture.
Fremantle has far more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorne has ever had.
Our supporter base has dropped off a little, but certainly is not in dire straits.
Fremantle is getting there very slowly, give them a few more years.Yes I know you have heard it all before, but this time we have the young players to carry us on.Unlike in the past, this time there is undoubted talent in the Fremantle line up.

Fremanltes theme song is modern and "rough", something that the town of Fremantle a "warfie/port" city. It is not a nedlands or a upper class area.Most of the people are working class and the song symbolizes this.
Respect from Melbourne clubs will never come, and frankly that doesnt bother me.

Right now our main goal is to hang on to our young stars.Gain a experienced coach and look to next year.
Yes our rebuilding stage has taken longer than most clubs, but all it is doing is building for a long and prosperous future.

Im sure that Macca will have an entirely different view, and see this thread as another oportunity to rip into the dockers.
But that is to be expected.

 

[Tigerbob]

LOL I agree about the song.


But I believe it has to start from the top right through.

They need a new President, CEO, Board of Directors a new coach and need to do what Collingwood did last year and draft/recruit players with the 50-60 game experience, who can apply pressure needed to the opposition.

Some ideas.

COACH: Robert Shaw - Make him run the club the way he wants to, to follow essendons example of how to run a club and then transform the football department into the way he wants.

Let him hire his own assistants, and then let him recruit some players he thinks they need. He is a very good coach and now with the experience he has had from essendon he could transform the club from laughing stock toa young team on the move!!!

 

[QT]

Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by sabre_ac

Im sure that Macca will have an entirely different view, and see this thread as another oportunity to rip into the dockers.
But that is to be expected.

WE SHALL SEE

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by sabre_ac


Some of your comments I agree with.
But not your comment on football culture.
Fremantle has far more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorne has ever had.
Our supporter base has dropped off a little, but certainly is not in dire straits.

Fremanltes theme song is modern and "rough", something that the town of Fremantle a "warfie/port" city. It is not a nedlands or a upper class area.Most of the people are working class and the song symbolizes this.
Respect from Melbourne clubs will never come, and frankly that doesnt bother me.

More history & pride than Hawthorn has ever had!!! Hawthorn are 128 years old, 76 years in the AFL & 9 flags, how can you even contemplate a statement like that?

Sure South & East Freo may have culture, but what about the AFL club itself???

Port Adelaide is a wharfie/port city yet they have a song that is half-decent.

And respect will never come from Melbourne clubs, well it certainly won't with an attitude like that. I'd say the Melbourne clubs definitely respect Adelaide and West Coast, and Port are fast gaining respect.

 

[Shinboners]

Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Fremantle has far more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorne has ever had.

Sabre, how can Fremantle Football Club who have been around for only a few years have more culture, history, and pride than the Hawthorn Football Club who have been around for over 100 years?

 

[Dave]

Sabre, gotta agree with GH & Shinboners. The way to gain respect is not to "dis" other clubs!

 

[sabre_ac]

Re: Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by Shinboners


Sabre, how can Fremantle Football Club who have been around for only a few years have more culture, history, and pride than the Hawthorn Football Club who have been around for over 100 years?

Fremantle club may be new.
But the city itself the the Football capital of Western Australia.
Yes I understand that East and South Fremantle are 2 different clubs.
But the Dockers in a sense unify the 2 clubs in the National Competition.
They bring together 2 clubs so rich in culture that they are up there with the best in the country.
Shinners your issue of that Fremantle has only been a club for a few years.Brings back the old arugement as to wether the AFL is a new competion or merely a continuation of the VFL.
Now if your talking in terms of that it is a continuation of the AFL than yes I agree with you that the hawks have a stronger history VFL wise than that of the Dockers.
Because Fremantle have only recently joined the competion.
Now if your talking in terms of AFL being a new competition and entirely different to that of the VFL.THen again Hawhtornes record is stronger and they probally currently have a stronger culture.
But the fact remains Fremantle were not merely created from nothing.There is an extremely strong football culture in the club, and in the city.Hence why Fremanlte supporters are as Dire as it comes.Becuase the supporters have come from East and South Fremantle wafl clubs.And so have there parents before them, generations of following a football club, and "warfie" culture which is entriely different to that of the ealges is a strong culture.

Fremantle being the footbal capital of the state, with a rich culture suggests that it rivals the football capitals of the other states.Like collingwood and Port.

I will not stand by and listen to this crap that "Fremantle" have no culture.My father is a warfie supporter from way back, and the phase of moving to the dockers was no big deal.Essentially they are the same thing, this is somethine the club has stressed from the begging.

Labour supporting working class people that are passionate about there club.

 

[Shinboners]

All fair and good sabre, but you would have been better off saying this initially rather than completely writing off Hawthorn's contribution to football.

 

[elt]

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Sabre,

For you to claim that Fremantle has more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorn is laughable.

East and South Fremantle were established in 1897 and 1900 respectively. How does this outweigh the history of the Hawthorn Football Club, established in 1873?

You also brought up the old VFL and AFL are different comps red herring. Even if this marvellous piece of revisionsim were correct, surely Hawthorn's history in your AFL (dating from either 1987 or 1990 depending on your definition) would be greater than Fremantles (dating from 1994)?

No one here is claiming Freo has no culture or history and certainly no-one has claimed the members don't have pride in their club. What they have done is deny your comparison to Hawthorn. What I would like to know is why you think this culture, history and pride somehow outweighs that of the Hawthorn Football Club.

Oh and please note, it's Hawthorn not Hawthorne. If you are going to make outlandish and rash claims about us, at least try to get the name right.

 

[sabre_ac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by elt
Sabre,

For you to claim that Fremantle has more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorn is laughable.

East and South Fremantle were established in 1897 and 1900 respectively. How does this outweigh the history of the Hawthorn Football Club, established in 1873?

You also brought up the old VFL and AFL are different comps red herring. Even if this marvellous piece of revisionsim were correct, surely Hawthorn's history in your AFL (dating from either 1987 or 1990 depending on your definition) would be greater than Fremantles (dating from 1994)?

No one here is claiming Freo has no culture or history and certainly no-one has claimed the members don't have pride in their club. What they have done is deny your comparison to Hawthorn. What I would like to know is why you think this culture, history and pride somehow outweighs that of the Hawthorn Football Club.

Oh and please note, it's Hawthorn not Hawthorne. If you are going to make outlandish and rash claims about us, at least try to get the name right.

Few things here.
Original post in this thread suggest that fremantle has no culture.
So yes someone did suggest that fremantle had no culture.
And all because Hawthorn has been a football club for a few years longer than that of the Fremantle clubs does not suggest that they are richer in culture.

Both Freo clubs combined and seperate have produced more legends and won more premireships in the perpsective competition than that of Hawthorn.
Fremantle is the mecka of football in Western Australia and Hawthorn is not the same in victoria.

So my claims that Fremantle has culture is not unfounded and my claims that the culture at Fremantle is stronger than that of Hawthorn's has backing behind it.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Shinboners
All fair and good sabre, but you would have been better off saying this initially rather than completely writing off Hawthorn's contribution to football.

I did not write off Hawthorne, all I suggested was the city of Fremantle and its clubs has more culture and history than that of hawthorn.

That is not writing off the hawthorn's contribution to football.
Suggesting that Fremantle has contributed more too football than the hawks is not writing them off.

Writing a club off and a supporter base off, is suggesting they dont have culture when we all know that is a blatent lie.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

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Originally posted by sabre_ac


Both Freo clubs combined and seperate have produced more legends and won more premireships in the perpsective competition than that of Hawthorn.
Fremantle is the mecka of football in Western Australia and Hawthorn is not the same in victoria.

So my claims that Fremantle has culture is not unfounded and my claims that the culture at Fremantle is stronger than that of Hawthorn's has backing behind it.

More legends than the Hawthorn football club??? I doubt that very much. And if Fremantle is the mecca of football in WA why are you playing your home games in Perth?

Hawthorn is a suburb of Melbourne, which is the football mecca of Australia, and takes Fremantle to the cleaners in terms of football culture. If Freo's football culture is so strong, why isn't the Grand Final played there?

Winning premierships in the WAFL is very different to winning an AFL flag. Port Adelaide haven't taken that attitude. Imagine if they said we've won 35 flags, that makes us better than Essendon & Carlton combined!!! Port know winning an AFL flag is what it is all about and Fremantle have to realise the same, as well as changing other problems with the clubs image, before they will succeed.

 

[sabre_ac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for a Freo makeover???

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk


More legends than the Hawthorn football club??? I doubt that very much. And if Fremantle is the mecca of football in WA why are you playing your home games in Perth?

WA is a 2 team state and hence only on major stadium is needed.
Eagles were in the competition before Freo, and subi was setup as Perths Premire stadium. Hence why Fremantle is forced to play its home games outside of Perth.
The dockers have always wanted to make there base in Fremantle and play there home games there.But financially its not possible.

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk




Hawthorn is a suburb of Melbourne, which is the football mecca of Australia, and takes Fremantle to the cleaners in terms of football culture. If Freo's football culture is so strong, why isn't the Grand Final played there?

Winning premierships in the WAFL is very different to winning an AFL flag. Port Adelaide haven't taken that attitude. Imagine if they said we've won 35 flags, that makes us better than Essendon & Carlton combined!!! Port know winning an AFL flag is what it is all about and Fremantle have to realise the same, as well as changing other problems with the clubs image, before they will succeed.

Hawthorn the football mecca of Melbourne????
AHAHAHHA
well Ill have to take your word for it.
Why isnt the grand final played at Freo or Perthy?
Well why didnt the eagles get the grand final at there home ground when they finished 1st?

Simple because we play in a competition that has a definite biased and swing towards victoria.Not necessarily victorian clubs.

Wining a WAFL flag is the same as winning a VFL flag.
You cannot claim that Hawthorn have won 9 AFL flags or watever the number stated earlier is.

This is bringing out the whole AFL/VFL arguement.
Its my opinion they are different competitions.
But thats an entirely different issue.

 

[elt]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Few things here.
Original post in this thread suggest that fremantle has no culture.
So yes someone did suggest that fremantle had no culture.

On that I stand corrected, I misread GOALden Hawk's original post. I don't agree that Fremantle has no culture, more than Hawthorn is a very difficult thing to justify though. How is culture measured? I notice this is the only claim of yours you try to justify in this post, nothing about history or pride.

Originally posted by sabre_ac
And all because Hawthorn has been a football club for a few years longer than that of the Fremantle clubs does not suggest that they are richer in culture.

24 years is a long time. It doesn't necessarily suggest anything about culture, but surely it says something about their history, another point you made.

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Fremantle is the mecka of football in Western Australia and Hawthorn is not the same in victoria.

So my claims that Fremantle has culture is not unfounded and my claims that the culture at Fremantle is stronger than that of Hawthorn's has backing behind it.

You are trying to have your cake and eat it too here. Sometimes you are talking about the town of Fremantle and sometimes the Fremantle clubs. The original post refers to the Fremantle football club, not the town. You know this as illustrated by your comparison of Fremantle to Hawthorn (the club).

Melbourne has football culture coming out of it's ear holes but that is a product of all the clubs and the competition between them.

 

[sainter]

Sabre,

Your loyalty towards Fremantle is admirable. Sometimes it's hard to stay positive when the club you love is given no respect by opposition supporters and is often the centre of ridicule.

Having said that, somethings you just have to face the fact that your team is struggling, sitting on the bottom ladder and have not won a game.

For you to make claims like :-

- Adelaide is too old and slow and Freo are in a much healthier position
- Freo "has far more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorne has ever had"

is going a little far.

By all means never stop defending your team. Just realise that your side has a lot of work to do and that by claiming your team is in a much better position (ie Adelaide) and that your club has a better football culture and more pride than another (ie Hawthorn), your views are not going to be treated with much respect from everyone else.

 

[QT]

Originally posted by sainter


- Adelaide is too old and slow and Freo are in a much healthier position

4 PLAYERS OVER 30, WOW

WHOEVER SAID THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY DRUG*******!

 

[QT]

Sabre
I could imagine you saying your side is in a better position than alot of clubs for the next 10 yrs, but the fact is...

Your team is 0-9, and have a very ordiany list, yous have 3-4 players that carry the team, and all the rest are hopeless.

Hasleby,Pavlich, Bell and Modra are your only decent performers week in, week out.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by sainter
Sabre,

Your loyalty towards Fremantle is admirable. Sometimes it's hard to stay positive when the club you love is given no respect by opposition supporters and is often the centre of ridicule.

Having said that, somethings you just have to face the fact that your team is struggling, sitting on the bottom ladder and have not won a game.

For you to make claims like :-

- Adelaide is too old and slow and Freo are in a much healthier position
- Freo "has far more football culture, history and pride than Hawthorne has ever had"

is going a little far.

By all means never stop defending your team. Just realise that your side has a lot of work to do and that by claiming your team is in a much better position (ie Adelaide) and that your club has a better football culture and more pride than another (ie Hawthorn), your views are not going to be treated with much respect from everyone else.

Hrmmm
My Adeliade comments wer made at the begging of the year when everyone making predictions.

Dont forget this topic was started and even arguement started because someone said that Freo (city and club both are inter twined) had no culture.
I merely pointed out that they did, and that it is stronger than that of hawthorns.

My clubs fortunes have very little with wether Fremantle have strong football culture.
Sainter my comments on Fremantles culture were not taken too far.Sure my response was because my club was being attacked, and my judgment may be clouded by my loyalties. But this issue of football cultuer in Fremantle and hence the club is real, and my comments are accurate.

Sainter on a personal note, this is hte second time you have commented on my statements.
And how "you know what im going through", sum wat pretending to be on my side, and puting forward a nuetral perspective.But at the same time you discredit my comments.
Sainter either take on of the views, that freo has culture or that freo has no culture.
Dont side with me and at the same time give amunition to people who disagree with me.

ONE OR THE OTHER SAINTER.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by QT


4 PLAYERS OVER 30, WOW

WHOEVER SAID THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY DRUG*******!

FARRRKK

QT we have all been down this path at the begging of the season.
If you want to enter this discussion stick to the topic, and put forward your views on Fremantls future and past.

Once again Sainter well done

 

[sainter]

Sabre,

My team is struggling too and I sympathise with your plight.

But for goodness sake, we are not babies here. I don't think we need to take sides.

I was NOT pretending to be at your side at all. Nor am I on your side.

If you want my views, fine.

I realise Fremantle have a strong football culture and that your comments regarding Freo having a stronger football culture and more pride than a club like Hawthorn were made in response to GOALden Hawk.

I just think you have been very quick to criticise other clubs when you should really be focusing on your own club. Sometimes your automatic reaction seems to be to focus on the inadequacies of other teams rather than your own.

In case anyone wants to point that I'm being a hypocrite here, I do have to mention my thoughts on the eagles. The only time I have been overly critical of an opposing side was after our loss against West Coast in Round 3 and even that was meant as more of a criticism of our performance. (I'm sure if the eagles had proved me wrong, that thread would have been brought back to remind me ).

 

[sabre_ac]

About time Sainter!

All I was pointing out if your comments of "support" are like the Trogan horse.
All wraped up in "sweetness and all things nice", but when it comes down to it they do more bad than good.

I critiseed Hawthorn merely because a comment was made that wasnt accurate. Its my opinion and that of allot of people that Fremantle football culture is stronger than that of hawthorn's.

Fremantle supporters are as hard on there own clubs as oposition supporters are.
But I am not going to lie down and take it up the tail pipe from arrogant and mis informed posters on this board.
Sainter all because my team is down the bottom does not mean that I have to sing the praises of the other 15 teams.I am still a football supporter and I still take interest in other games.And so I have developed my opinion on other clubs.

Sainter by all means knock wat I have said in this thread.But do not bring up past comments made by myeself, in a effort to dis credit me.
As you see by QT's response, your comments were childish.If you want to take a swing at me by all means do so.
Just dont say you come in peace.

 

[Visro]

Freo as a team are a bit lost at the moment. Things that I think would help them are:

1. Develop their own home ground at Fremantle Oval. Build a few stands, make the capacity of the ground about 20-25 thousand. That way it could become a real home ground advantage.

2. Sack Drummy, the guy rejects everything, cant admit reality, not on TV anyway.

3. Get rid of some of the administration who have been their a long time, the club needs to start off fresh again in this field.

4. Change the jumper slightly so its a bit less confusing (something WC should do as well!!)

5. Create a new theme song, its a shocker!

Vis

PS I believe their playing list is good enough for AFL standards, just everything else is wrong.