Review Time for excuses are over....Carlton v Fremantle

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Nope, he smacked a guy in the chops with a shoulder, when he wasn't involved in the play
Waite hit him with his shoulder?

Right.

Just like your view that Judd's elbow to Pavlich's head was deliberate and not in the one action. ;) :rolleyes:

Waite bumped.

Screw the game if they hang Waite for bumping a player and showing some physicality as Armfield kicked the ball 15 metres away.

Former players on the Sunday Footy Show didn't have a problem with it.
 

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I think this could be Rattens last year as coach. Im not convinced that he is gonna be up there with some of the greats in the game.
Even though he is contracted until the end of 2011? Shall we just pay out another coach?

You know Geelong nearly sacked Bomber Thompson after the 2006 season? In fact it was only Frank Costa that saved him in the end. Things can turn around very quickly once the majority of your best players move into the 24-29 age group. Geelong being the perfect example of this.

Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Bower, Warnock (think of where Sandilands was at 4-5 years ago), Hampson, Lucas, Joseph, Russell, Armfield will all get better in the coming years. They will be most of the players that make up the core of our team & this is without factoring in the likes of Austin, Davies, Kerr, Tuohy, White, some of whom may also become part of that core group.

We need to be very careful not to 'throw out the baby with the bath water', particularly when there may not be a better coach waiting in the wings (those pushing for Matthews need to accept his time as an AFL coach has passed & Roos has no intention of coaching another AFL team).
 

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Even though he is contracted until the end of 2011? Shall we just pay out another coach?

You know Geelong nearly sacked Bomber Thompson after the 2006 season? In fact it was only Frank Costa that saved him in the end. Things can turn around very quickly once the majority of your best players move into the 24-29 age group. Geelong being the perfect example of this.

Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Bower, Warnock (think of where Sandilands was at 4-5 years ago), Hampson, Lucas, Joseph, Russell, Armfield will all get better in the coming years. They will be most of the players that make up the core of our team & this is without factoring in the likes of Austin, Davies, Kerr, Tuohy, White, some of whom may also become part of that core group.

We need to be very careful not to 'throw out the baby with the bath water', particularly when there may not be a better coach waiting in the wings (those pushing for Matthews need to accept his time as an AFL coach has passed & Roos has no intention of coaching another AFL team).

I think where we end up at the end of the season will decide his fate. If we play finals, then he is safe.

As for Mathews you're right he's time as passed. I was thinking of Malthouse. He has done wonders with a list of spuds. I do see some great times ahead for the club. The last couple of weeks really frustrate about 99.9% of our supporters.

On a side note. Seeing our supporters knock crap out of each other saddens me. We all know who the real enemy is? Frigging Essendon supporters.
 

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I think where we end up at the end of the season will decide his fate. If we play finals, then he is safe.

As for Mathews you're right he's time as passed. I was thinking of Malthouse. He has done wonders with a list of spuds. I do see some great times ahead for the club. The last couple of weeks really frustrate about 99.9% of our supporters.

On a side note. Seeing our supporters knock crap out of each other saddens me. We all know who the real enemy is? Frigging Essendon supporters.
Most on this post have complained about our attacking via the flanks. Malthouse doesn't even believe there is a centre corridor.

Ifwe were to sign him we'd go back 10 years
 

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Most on this post have complained about our attacking via the flanks. Malthouse doesn't even believe there is a centre corridor.

Ifwe were to sign him we'd go back 10 years
Maybe, maybe not. However it is moot as i believe we will make the 8 and i haven't seen too many coaches sacked after making the 8?
 
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Oh you are such a funny guy being able to post a picture - haha. Great debater you are chump. Typical keyboard warrior, posts silly crap on an internet forum but never says boo in real life.
and you would know that how LOL :rolleyes:

I could tell you how wrong you are but this is only an internet forum where people can write any old crap (see Quote above) so I wont, nor will I debate with you as to whether you should expect some duty of care as a paying poster ROFL :D
 

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I think this could be Rattens last year as coach. Im not convinced that he is gonna be up there with some of the greats in the game.

Anyways, guys. Heads up we can still finish the season in the 8.
As you say, we can still make the finals and have every chance of winning a final. If we do, our season objective would have been reached and Ratten would have done a really good job. The last two weeks have been unacceptably bad, but it a long season and we are going along well in terms of meeting our objectives. All this over reaction - and some of it is simply crazy and childish tantrums. We are on a really encouraging tradjectory and look like we will become consistent finalists for some years to come giving ourselves every chance at a flag.

Some people need to kick back and look at a slightly larger picture than one or two games, and worse, one or two passages of play. There is no doubt that we have some structural and personal weeknesses but so do all other clubs who are around us on the ladder.

My biggest concern from last night (other than Kreuzer) was watching our midfield refuse to breakdown Judds tag at the stoppages.
 

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My biggest concern from last night (other than Kreuzer) was watching our midfield refuse to breakdown Judds tag at the stoppages.

Do you think moving Judd deep forward/back and let Gibbs or Hadley to take his normal role? You are right though, the boys should have taken on Mcfee and bumped him about at clearances to free up Judd.
 

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I really, really do not understand why all the doomsdayers are out in force after that loss.

We played terribly. The scoreline flattered us incredibly, yet people are still suggesting we should've won the match.

This is more the build-up of two straight weeks of sub-par performance, but jeez...

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We lost our FF and leading goal-kicker, as well as structural lynch-pin during the previous match.

We lost our most attacking midfielder before the bounce.

We lost our ruckman within the first 10 or so minutes.

We played the majority of the match with one less rotation, of all places in the midfield.

We played against the most dominant ruckman in the competition with a 10 gamer and a 3rd tall as backup.

We played a 3rd tall in the ruck that is now third or fourth choice third tall behind Austin and White (and Henderson).

We managed to keep the most damaging player in the competition this year to minimum impact.

We played terribly yet could've won if our midfield was more accurate when shooting for goal.

We were somehow in the game against a side that is genuine top 4 material and has proven it with wins over the Saints and Geelong.

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Last week was inexcusable, but this week - completely different set of circumstances.
 

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I really, really do not understand why all the doomsdayers are out in force after that loss.

We played terribly. The scoreline flattered us incredibly, yet people are still suggesting we should've won the match.

This is more the build-up of two straight weeks of sub-par performance, but jeez...

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We lost our FF and leading goal-kicker, as well as structural lynch-pin during the previous match.

We lost our most attacking midfielder before the bounce.

We lost our ruckman within the first 10 or so minutes.

We played the majority of the match with one less rotation, of all places in the midfield.

We played against the most dominant ruckman in the competition with a 10 gamer and a 3rd tall as backup.

We played a 3rd tall in the ruck that is now third or fourth choice third tall behind Austin and White (and Henderson).

We managed to keep the most damaging player in the competition this year to minimum impact.

We played terribly yet could've won if our midfield was more accurate when shooting for goal.

We were somehow in the game against a side that is genuine top 4 material and has proven it with wins over the Saints and Geelong.

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Last week was inexcusable, but this week - completely different set of circumstances.
:thumbsu:
Cool, we actually won, kind-a
 

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I really, really do not understand why all the doomsdayers are out in force after that loss.

We played terribly. The scoreline flattered us incredibly, yet people are still suggesting we should've won the match.

This is more the build-up of two straight weeks of sub-par performance, but jeez...

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We lost our FF and leading goal-kicker, as well as structural lynch-pin during the previous match.

We lost our most attacking midfielder before the bounce.

We lost our ruckman within the first 10 or so minutes.

We played the majority of the match with one less rotation, of all places in the midfield.

We played against the most dominant ruckman in the competition with a 10 gamer and a 3rd tall as backup.

We played a 3rd tall in the ruck that is now third or fourth choice third tall behind Austin and White (and Henderson).

We managed to keep the most damaging player in the competition this year to minimum impact.

We played terribly yet could've won if our midfield was more accurate when shooting for goal.

We were somehow in the game against a side that is genuine top 4 material and has proven it with wins over the Saints and Geelong.

--------------------------------------​

Last week was inexcusable, but this week - completely different set of circumstances.
Agree. Plenty of positive for such a terrible game. Our team is heading in the right direction.

Upset about Kreuzer, wish they rested him like I said (because I can clearly read the future)!

If we can lose anyone in our team though, it's a ruckman. And, even though he will be a deadset superstar, he has barely set the world on fire this year.

Changes the complexion of our off season now. Probably can't trade a ruckman, so lose our only opportunity of an early pick in next year's draft.

The team will bounce back. They're young and tired. I feel that the fitness staff really aimed for them to be peaking for the early games when Judd was out, especially because there was a chance we could lose a lot of games in the first 10 weeks. A break will do them a world of good, and hopefully they'll aim for them to peak again in the last few rounds and the first week of finals.
 

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'Sugarcoat' a loss why don't you :rolleyes: NFI !!!!
What you need to understand is you (appeared to) believe we should've won a match that was, from unbiased eyes, 50/50 at best going into the match.

What was even odds turned to their favour with the exclusion of Murph from the side.

And the odds turned from 'in their favour' to 'absolutely unbackable' when Kreuze went down.

If you think otherwise, you're lying to yourself. Why would we be expected to beat a more experienced side that sits higher on the ladder after more than half of the season and has performed better against all the sides we've played, whilst having the wood over us both recently and over the stretch?

(Were you suggesting I had 'NFI' ?)
 

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Well I am pissed off at is the lack of effort, that too coming on the back of last weeks crap as well.
 

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Re: Excuses
If Sandilands had done his knee in the first 10 minutes instead of Kreuzer, the result would have been pretty different. Or even just if Kreuzer hadn't done his knee.
 
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'Sugarcoat' a loss why don't you :rolleyes: NFI !!!!
Not picking on you, but just holding up this as an example of something that has been talked about in this thread.

People mistakingly think that we disallow negative posting on this board despite numerous threads explaining what we are looking for.

Someone takes the time to post something that encourages discussion, and it is then dismissed in one line, with no further insight and no further discussion.

Constructive posting, negative or positive is to be encouraged, but we also like to see that posters are capable of acknowledging both and taking each post on its merits.

If you post 100% positively, I can see that this might annoy some people, but you are hardly offending somebody's passion in doing so. If you post almost 100% negatively, ignoring things that are worthy of praise, you will annoy some people and you ARE offending their passion, as the board is a supporters board, not a critics board.

Some balance is needed from all posters, and most of all, if you disagree with someone, explain why. Responses like those above are only going to take away from the discussion.
 
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I really, really do not understand why all the doomsdayers are out in force after that loss.

We played terribly. The scoreline flattered us incredibly, yet people are still suggesting we should've won the match.

This is more the build-up of two straight weeks of sub-par performance, but jeez...

--------------------------------------​

We lost our FF and leading goal-kicker, as well as structural lynch-pin during the previous match.

We lost our most attacking midfielder before the bounce.

We lost our ruckman within the first 10 or so minutes.

We played the majority of the match with one less rotation, of all places in the midfield.

We played against the most dominant ruckman in the competition with a 10 gamer and a 3rd tall as backup.

We played a 3rd tall in the ruck that is now third or fourth choice third tall behind Austin and White (and Henderson).

We managed to keep the most damaging player in the competition this year to minimum impact.

We played terribly yet could've won if our midfield was more accurate when shooting for goal.

We were somehow in the game against a side that is genuine top 4 material and has proven it with wins over the Saints and Geelong.

--------------------------------------​

Last week was inexcusable, but this week - completely different set of circumstances.
I dont like the overly negative posters that only come after these type of games but sometimes you cant excuse losses either. We looked a rabble at times despite your excuse list...which is all it is...weak excuses.

We lost Murph before the game. Freo are missing more players than us. Change was planned prior so no excuse benefit for us at all.

Kruezer going down was a blow but then one ruckman each. If it was 2 vs 1, maybe a better excuse. Freo had that hack Kepler as a backup ruck for sure. But he only got 6 HOs.

The rotations hurt you late in the game....they smashed us early and flooded our backline...nothing to do with ANYONE else except this tactic which we cant handle with small fwds. Hill went off early for them early to get strapped up...they lost nothing for it. Rotations had nothing to do with it unless you just want to make stuff up as we were the ones flying home.

We played aginast the most dominant big man in the game....sort of a good excuse...but then, dont we have one of the most dominant midfielders in the game in Judd. Who would you take if you had first pick? Judd/Sandi. Sandi is just an excuse when your team loses.

You say maybe we could've won.... Really important for eveyrone to understand...we got on a roll when they took their foot off the pedal. When the game wasin the balance, their flooding of our fwd line killed us with smalls. Teams have worked us out and Ratts needs to find a counter..and quickly.

Do no take anything out of the fact that we closed in on them late. that is bullshit footy and we will be doing that a few more times this year.

PS
Well still make the 8 due to matching up the right way on a few teams. Plus we'll sniper a few teams like we have been.

Stop sugar coating the fact we have been found out tactically for the minute. We should be frustrated.
 

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We looked physically much weaker than Freo. The amount of times the we had tackles broken was horrifying. The Pav looked like a rampaging bull in the centre of the ground, even 2 Carlton players together could not stop him.

This is a huge issue and is the "elephant in the room" as far as I am concerned.

I was a big wrap for Justin Cordy's appointment - and I believe he has had overview of 3 pre-seasons now with regard to physical conditioning of our list - yet we still look liked schoolboys compared to Fremantle.

All sides know that they have to get physical with us especially in close - and they can break us and most always attempt to break the lines right through us knowing that they can break most of our tackles.

Judd is about the only player on our list that can consistently break a tackle.
 
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You say maybe we could've won.... Really important for eveyrone to understand...we got on a roll when they took their foot off the pedal.
I really dislike this being used. I did not see Fremantle stop working, run slower, stop diving to intercept or spoil the ball or tackle. There was plenty of time left in the match and the margin was going between 4 and 5 goals for a while. They responded each time we chipped away.

We started playing corridor football, it started working. Our confidence grew and we closed the gap.

Why must we highlight our frustration with the game and the fact that we rarely settled into our game plan and got a run on, by suggesting that when they finally did do what we had been waiting for them to do, it was only because the other team let them.

If this is the case, why the frustration at the loss?

Posters can't have it both ways. They are upset at the way we played because they think we could have played better and could have won, so they are critical of the coach and the players, but then go on to suggest that when we showed glimpses of our best, it was only because the other team took their foot off the gas.

Shouldn't we logically be accepting of the loss then, as we are effectively saying they are better than us unless they gift us some charity goals?
 
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