Review Time for excuses are over....Carlton v Fremantle

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I don't see anywhere near enough passion out on the ground.

I see Eddie's goal celebrations which are more about 'how good am I?'

I would like to see more of Setanta's passion permeate through the team. I would like to see Scotto's eyes glaring at someone with intensity as they do when he is on.

Robbo is probably the only one I see that wants to die for the colours, rather than just earn a paycheck. Pretty obvious the guy just loves to play footy and loves to be competitive, and if he can earn a living from it, all the better.
:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu: That's why Robbos so great to watch.

Reminds me of a guy i used to play footy with that would head butt the shit outta the locker door if we lost or he got beaten one on one in a match , he used to fire up the side magnificantly prior to games.....Slapped me in the face before a final once in a bid to calm my nerves:confused:....... he allows flew the flag (wasn't a thug) and pushed himself so hard at training.

Just bled his guts out for the jumper,his team mates and put so much on his own shoulders......
 

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Well there wasn't much to like about our first half and we left our run too late again. Thought the game was a poor exhibition of footy all round. One to forget.

Hadley out.
Last week against the Roos I said he was a plodder and was howled down because he does great work around the clearances. Well, he plodded again on Saturday night and even though he had the 21 disposals, he coughed it up a fair bit and was exposed for pace again. Unless you're Diesel Williams, I don't think you can go into a game of footy with no toe in 2010. It's no surprise that teams with genuine pace, who move the ball quickly, run and carry and take the game on are the ones at the pointy end of the ladder. Need thoroughbreds, not draft horses.
 
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Robbo is probably the only one I see that wants to die for the colours, rather than just earn a paycheck.
I forgot someone. Wiggo bleds Navy Blue. A real shame his career with us is winding down. Tough as nails and passionate as hell.
 

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The last two weeks have been disappointing but hopefully the week off will do us good!! A relatively easy first game back against Brisbane at home "should" see us back with a big win and hopefully some confidence.

What was really obvious against Freo is we lack the passion of the really good sides like StKilda and Geelong and thats disappointing. We also lack leadership when Juddy is limited and too much is left to too few.

When we are underdogs and everyone is switched on for a big effort we go ok, When we are expected to win, a few guys are a little bit off and thats when we struggle.

Bringing back players like Robbo would be a good start. We need a few players in the team that make opposition players (and especially taggers) a little on edge when he is around. Currently taggers can manhandle Judd with little fear of physical consequence and thats not good enough. At Geelong Mooney, Rooke, Bartel, Ling etc.. wont allow that to happen to their superstar Ablett.

Currently we have a very skillful team that when switched on can beat anyone. Add a more constant focused aggression to that and we will improve and win the games we should.
 
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I just wanna see the boys go out there and play footy. I don't think alot of the players are smart enough to carry out the game plans that are often set out for them.

I want Robbo to try kill someone.
I want Gibbsy to arrow long balls to 1 on 1 contests.
I want Carrots to piss people off.
I want Jamo to back himself and use his underrated footskills and long kicking more.
I want Yaz & Garlett to back themselves and take the game on.
I want Walker to not try and think, JUST DO. Its obvious thinking hurts his head too much.
I want Hammer to knee people in the face at ruck contests.
I want Army to Run Forrest Run.

Go with your natural instincts guys dammit.
I want to see our guys with another 5 to 10Kgs of muscle on them!!.

One of the things that stood out to me being at the ground was the size difference of our players compared to the Freo boys. Not sure if the white tops and shorts made them look bigger but gees we looked smaller across the board.

Need to develop the bodies of our young players as a priority. Kids have the skills, just dont have the body mass at this point.

Will make a massive difference when this happens, effects every part of your game plan including confidence.

Boys are young, just need to grow. Just need to be given time.:thumbsu:
 

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Not sure if its already been mentioned but how can Mcphee not be penalised a free kick and 50 metre penalty after intentionally keeping Judd on the ground after the ball had been cleared.

Wasn't there a rule introduced this year for this exact situation?
 

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AS for the rest - you are an excuseologist of the highest order but cant even see it. Of course you did it to offset the nervous nellies on here...for me, my bullshitometre went off big time.
All I can say is that your responses show absolutely no understanding of our club, and our players - as well as the dynamic between them.

Suggesting O'hAilpin isn't a bigger out to Carlton than one of Headland / Palmer etc. is to Freo is absolutely moronic.

Your response was actually largely non-sensical, and the bolded parts didn't really address the points I was making.

I'll agree however, it is difficult to make you come around when you are arguing things with what seems to be minimal knowledge of the structure of our team.

From the outset, gave pretty much 100% - what more can you ask.
Betts layed a couple of smothers, Waite layed that tackle for HTB inside our 50, Yarran made that huge chase down on the wing.

Things just didn't go our way.

Man up about it and move on.
 

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When Judd gets hammered week in week out, where are our players to stand up and protect their captain. Bloody weak we recruited Mclean for this, cant even get on the park and know he is injured his knee. This is what i see, the Carlton Football is not a collective, there are too many individuals who refuse to work for each other. Think they can turn up and win, doesn't work like that. Also what else i see is a coaching staff who cannot get the best out of their players week in ,week out!! The fact is we are good enough bc we have beaten the best sides in the comp, but other factors are hindering our progress!!
 
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All I can say is that your responses show absolutely no understanding of our club, and our players - as well as the dynamic between them.

Suggesting O'hAilpin isn't a bigger out to Carlton than one of Headland / Palmer etc. is to Freo is absolutely moronic.

Your response was actually largely non-sensical, and the bolded parts didn't really address the points I was making.

I'll agree however, it is difficult to make you come around when you are arguing things with what seems to be minimal knowledge of the structure of our team.

From the outset, gave pretty much 100% - what more can you ask.
Betts layed a couple of smothers, Waite layed that tackle for HTB inside our 50, Yarran made that huge chase down on the wing.

Things just didn't go our way.

Man up about it and move on.
30YBlues protege in the making :D

Keep em coming...they had Sandi so of course we lost...we had murph out...should we even turn up next time?
 

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BG, you're becoming a troll.

Where did I say anything remotely like "they had Sandilands so we should expect to lose" or "When Murphy's out we're a bottom 4 side"

The quality of your recent posts are simply rubbish. If you don't want to reply to the content - you can send me PMs and tell me whatever you think - but don't allow one of the few good boards to denigrate into this kind of shit.
 

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One of the only games I've been able to attend this year. I don't know what your team normally plays like but I didn't think their was a lack of passion.

I had League friends with me at their first AFL game and they were asking me what was wrong with Carlton. All I could say was their attack into the forward half was awful.

The delivery into the half forward and forward area was very poor. There were shots missing targets by a long way. Going over heads, onto the ground in front of and wide. It got worse as play went on and Carlton players seemed to start doubting their ability and second guessing.

It seemed that they were worried about their delivery and were trying to finesse the ball instead of just delivering it.

Garlett was good in the last quarter but thankfully Freo defended Ok in the end.
 

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I sincerely have faith in the players and coaches to rebound strongly. Hard nut Brock to come back, Junk Murph will have a good run home, get a couple of big fellas in the forward line for the 3 amigos to run a muck. Then theres Robbo, Hendo, Hamo (Hampson), Sauce... Umm, I'm out of nicknamed quality players unfortunately. Forward pressure and tackling needs to get back to early season. I believe they can find the spirit and have the character.
Norf game was a fantastic implementation of shitness, yet the Freo provided discussed positives. 2 games, thats it. From now on its all gravy...
 

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Disappointing night's footy but a few positives.
Careful posting anything too positive...
Garlett's pressure and willingness to run was fantastic and has been for a number of weeks! Yarran and Bett's also good at this but I get an impression the Garlett is really beginning to mature this season.
Garlett kicked two absolutely stunning goals and at important times too - all of them put in and were our top three tacklers. It's a really dangerous set-up - but with that said has the chance to get found out against tougher, flooding sides - Hawthorn, and I'm thinking maybe Sydney are worries.

Hendo did a great job and I hope a few of his critics begin to shut up. Must keep playing him this season. Great to see a few contested marks.
I think that's the argument about VFL v. AFL development and it's an interesting one, especially considering he has rarely played AFL or VFL standard footy as a forward - QAFL really doesn't count.

I suggest he'll develop far, far faster in the AFL - he is all class this kid, and with the confidence he got from grabbing a lot of those marks on the weekend, I think he'll continue to grow and grow.
Jacobs shouldered a huge burden. Though he got well and truely beaten by Sandilands, that was always going to happen. Thought he did a lot to compete and minimise Sandilands impact...we even won the clearances.
He was our in form ruckman going into this round, and despite coming up against huge challenges for a 10 gamer - the use of his brains are what sets him apart from being simply an average ruckman. Seems to have the knack of figuring out his opponent and consequently not getting completely found out against them. A more experienced Naitanui probably should've exposed him but Jacobs applied a tonne of physical pressure and wore him out early on.
Good to see Bower and Army return to the backline. Obviously the backline group need a bit more time to gel together.
I think that was really obvious - Bower didn't offer his usual run and Army looked a little out of sorts, the number of turnovers in and around our D50 was inexcusable - but the chopping and changing of having Army and Bower just back in, as well as Thornton being forced to pinch hit elsewhere might've caused some real tactical confusion.
One grumble: can someone please start delivering inside 50 to advantage? Is there such a stat (i50 seems to be very misleading, would love to see effective i50). If that is not possible, making sure it is not to "disadvantage". Wouldn't even care if it was deep to the pocket and over the boundary line rather than an uncontested mark to the opposition.
Disposal was back at 2006 standard on the weekend. Really missed composure heading into the F50 despite Gibbs playing in and around stoppages, in fact his disposal was poor at crucial times. That just goes to prove you need as many quality ball users as possible to cover for one another.
Hope Setanta gets back soon. Think he is really unappreciated as a true team player, who always tries to create a contest and works to the team benefit.
We missed a player who could really crash the packs. Henderson and Waite are not imposing enough on the contest to force the ball front and centre consistently. It resulted in a lot of easy clearances out of D50 and easy spoils - one of the many reasons our disposal saw us massacred on the rebound.
 

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Against Freo the intensity was there, the effort was there, but the skills and decision making were deplorable.
As I've been "yellowed" for not being constructive, perhaps the bickering in here would be less ridiculous if there was some respect paid to how Fremantle played given the 6-day break we had.

In a thread entitled "Time for excuses are over..." there's barely an attempt at recognition of Fremantle's play. As it was for us, Collingwood only let us play so well, same with Adelaide and we should not have dropped either of our St Kilda games. We think we played well, pressured Carlton particularly well.

Good luck to the young fella Kreuzer. Top player. :thumbsu:

We'll see Judd for the Pav-square-up later in the year.
 

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As I've been "yellowed" for not being constructive, perhaps the bickering in here would be less ridiculous if there was some respect paid to how Fremantle played given the 6-day break we had.

In a thread entitled "Time for excuses are over..." there's barely an attempt at recognition of Fremantle's play. For us, Collingwood only let us play so well, same with Adelaide and we should not have dropped either of our St Kilda games.
This is the Carlton board. Fremantle's performance is irrelevant. The posters want to talk about Carlton not Fremantle. If you want to talk about Fremantle I'm sure you know where the Fremantle board is.
 

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This is the Carlton board. Fremantle's performance is irrelevant. The posters want to talk about Carlton not Fremantle. If you want to talk about Fremantle I'm sure you know where the Fremantle board is.
We are talking about it.

You guys are doing what the "old" Fremantle supporters used to do; tear ourselves apart.

Some of you might be unable to concede that Fremantle's performance had an impact on how Carlton played. Rather that than trying to eat each other alive or scape-goating endlessly. :(

It was a suggestion; you tell me to stick it. No worries. :thumbsdown:
 

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We looked physically much weaker than Freo. The amount of times the we had tackles broken was horrifying. The Pav looked like a rampaging bull in the centre of the ground, even 2 Carlton players together could not stop him.

he's pretty hard to stop when he get's going, and he was fired up for that game as Hase is one of his best mates.

more of a worry for Carlton is that they continually pushed wide. They conceded the corridor to us from the first bounce (which pretty much played straight into our strengths). If you are always taking shots from wide angles, you'll miss a lot (look at Collingwoods accuracy, they have a similar gameplan - they beat us with some exceptional sharpshooting from wide angles, but you wouldn't want to count on it).

a shame about kruezer, hope he makes a full recovery.

dunno how judd got off with that elbow? if mcphee had opened up judd's cheek, he'd have gotten 3 weeks. mrp has a bit of love for judd.
 

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We are talking about it.

You guys are doing what the "old" Fremantle supporters used to do; tear ourselves apart.

Some of you might be unable to concede that Fremantle's performance had an impact on how Carlton played. Rather that than trying to eat each other alive or scape-goating endlessly. :(

It was a suggestion; you tell me to stick it. No worries. :thumbsdown:
of course Freo had an impact on it. If it was a lesser team (richmond, adelaide) we still would have won regardless of our bad shots on goal, whereas Freo punished us on the scoreboard.
 

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Yarran deserves a wrap for his second effort to dive on a ball and set up Garlett's first goal.

He's learning after trying to take the ball without going in hard and low in other games.

Don't know how the umpire missed Hayden having an arm wrapped around Yarran in the marking contest before that.

Was Hayden taking Yarran for a dance? :thumbsdown:
he's pretty hard to stop when he get's going, and he was fired up for that game as Hase is one of his best mates.

more of a worry for Carlton is that they continually pushed wide. They conceded the corridor to us from the first bounce (which pretty much played straight into our strengths). If you are always taking shots from wide angles, you'll miss a lot (look at Collingwoods accuracy, they have a similar gameplan - they beat us with some exceptional sharpshooting from wide angles, but you wouldn't want to count on it).
Fremantle flooded back to deny us the corridor after quarter time.

The first quarter was close with Fremantle struggling to get the ball out of our forwardline.

And we had didn't take our chances in that quarter.

Fremantle took their chances and then locked down the game by flooding our forwardline.

No one was leading to break your zone.

It happened against WC too.

Mclean had to kick short because O'hAilpin and Henderson were staying inside fifty.

Being one big man down didn't help our rotations.
dunno how judd got off with that elbow? if mcphee had opened up judd's cheek, he'd have gotten 3 weeks. mrp has a bit of love for judd.
Why do your supporters neglect to mention that it was Judd's arm that made contact with Pavlich?

Judd's wrist connected with Pav's shoulder in the one action.

It wasn't an elbow swung back to deliberately scone Pavlich.
 
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